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ICE raids across L.A. spark backlash; Trump officials vow to continue operations

Why? Our President doesn't believe in that. The Supreme Court majority also does not believe that.



You mean every country has laws that have to be obeyed by the poor and powerless, which the wealthy and powerful can ignore at their pleasure.
No, I mean every country has laws that must be followed. Now I admit that the law isn’t always evenly applied. But as much as possible it should be.
Just because the felon is an a-hole who thinks he’s above the law doesn’t mean it’s right. You commit a crime you should be prepared to suffer the consequences. Maybe you’ll get caught; maybe not. But if you’re caught you have nothing to
bitch about when the penalty is applied.
 
Are the Irish protesting because they don't like federal immigration laws?
The immigration laws were MUCH different in the 1800’s.

But yes - the Irish rioted about federal laws. Enforcement of federal laws. Perceived discrimination and very real discrimination. Often destructively. Two prime examples

Philadelphia Nativist Riots
Draft Riots in New York

Folks really should learn more history - it tends to repeat itself otherwise.


But yet, no one blinks at an Irish flag flying.

Why did you have a problem with folks carrying Mexican flags?
 
Well of course! Our immigration laws have to be changed. And I agree that these people are an important part of our labor force-an integral part.
I can’t get past the word “illegal”. You don’t get to cut in line ahead of those who went through the process correctly. If you do you should be deported.
Many aren't cutting in line, they're being pulled through it by the opportunities for work that most Americans turn their nose up at. Blaming them is not the solution. Reforming our immigration laws to create those positions legally through work visas or other work contracts would be far more beneficial. It has been attempted many times in the past and shut down because cheap labor without the red tape is easier than less cheap labor that protects workers. We have a broken system where legal paths to work exist but are insufficient.
 
Well of course! Our immigration laws have to be changed. And I agree that these people are an important part of our labor force-an integral part.
I can’t get past the word “illegal”. You don’t get to cut in line ahead of those who went through the process correctly. If you do you should be deported.
Millions of these people also are IN the immigration system and working their way through it in one form or another.

ICE is now literally grabbing people as they are heading to court and following the process - in order to fulfill their quotas. And then also grabbing their kids…well, because they are there so why not.

They raided a restaurant here in NJ and grabbed a couple that OWN THE RESTAURANT and have been working through the legal process for years a couple months back.

This Administration is a trainwreck with every aspect of how they’re doing this. Unprofessional, haphazard, poorly executed - all designed to entice reactions and be a “show”

It’s disgusting but - as we can see from how MAGAs are responding - the base idiots gobble up the show.
 
Why should we give due process to people that are in our country illegally? The don't deserve due process.
Without due process, how do you know that the person is in fact an illegal?

That's leaving aside your obvious hatred for the constitution and the republic itself.
The word is accurate. When you sneak across the border you’re a criminal unless you’re looking for asylum in which case you entered legally. I’m referring to the criminals who sneak in looking for work. While I sympathize with their plight they are here illegally and should face the penalty for it. I’m not going to look the other way and tolerate one form of criminal activity while enforcing another.
Well, okay. Have fun not eating and stuff.
 
No I am sure he believes what he is saying.
I'm sure he does. Screw the Declaration and the Constitution, he can tell us all that some people have no rights at all. Not God-given, not inalienable, none at all.
The scenes we've been seeing coming out of the US lately give some sorts of people a nearly sexual satisfaction. It's alarming for anyone hoping that Magaism will end with Trump.
 
Millions of these people also are IN the immigration system and working their way through it in one form or another.

ICE is now literally grabbing people as they are heading to court and following the process - in order to fulfill their quotas. And then also grabbing their kids…well, because they are there so why not.

They raided a restaurant here in NJ and grabbed a couple that OWN THE RESTAURANT and have been working through the legal process for years a couple months back.

This Administration is a trainwreck with every aspect of how they’re doing this. Unprofessional, haphazard, poorly executed - all designed to entice reactions and be a “show”

It’s disgusting but - as we can see from how MAGAs are responding - the base idiots gobble up the show.
Yup
That’s disgusting
Those legal immigrants are doing the right thing
It’s not surprising that the felon is hassling them, is it.
 
Without due process, how do you know that the person is in fact an illegal?

That's leaving aside your obvious hatred for the constitution and the republic itself.

Well, okay. Have fun not eating and stuff.
They’re here illegally
The laws need to be changed
Until they are they should be deported
 
Many aren't cutting in line, they're being pulled through it by the opportunities for work that most Americans turn their nose up at. Blaming them is not the solution. Reforming our immigration laws to create those positions legally through work visas or other work contracts would be far more beneficial. It has been attempted many times in the past and shut down because cheap labor without the red tape is easier than less cheap labor that protects workers. We have a broken system where legal paths to work exist but are insufficient.
Legal work visas exist. The program needs to be expanded and improved.
And until it is those here illegally, if caught, should be prepared to face the music
 
The scenes we've been seeing coming out of the US lately give some sorts of people a nearly sexual satisfaction. It's alarming for anyone hoping that Magaism will end with Trump
2025 really is showing the disgusting side of some people in this country pulling them fully out into the sunshine to be seen, isn’t it?
 
It’s disgusting but - as we can see from how MAGAs are responding - the base idiots gobble up the show.

Well unfortunately it isn’t just the Republican base. Being self-destructively vicious with immigrants has wide appeal with the electorate. Ethel2 is certainly not a Republican, but is indistinguishable from your average Republican with regard to this issue.
 
Legal work visas exist. The program needs to be expanded and improved.
And until it is those here illegally, if caught, should be prepared to face the music
We'd need some transition program in between. Our economy cannot sustain removing people who provide important labor in industries that depend on immigrant workers, such as agriculture, construction, hospitality, and elder care. Sudden mass removal would create severe economic disruptions, labor shortages, and ripple effects across multiple sectors.

Instead of relying on enforcement alone, a phased transition program to expand temporary work visas, legal pathways, and employer partnerships would prevent instability while addressing legal concerns. A structured reform is necessary to bridge the gap.
 
Legal work visas exist. The program needs to be expanded and improved.
And until it is those here illegally, if caught, should be prepared to face the music
Being undocumented is, by itself, a misdemeanor in many cases.

People can go in and out of legal status and have done nothing more than miss an appointment or piece of mail or fill out a form incorrectly for it to happen.

Our immigration system is ridiculously complex, cumbersome and frankly…expensive. And that doesn’t even get into how some visa classifications are also completely skewed against the individuals that find themselves almost trapped in indentured servitude type of status.

It’s nearly impossible to truly navigate well without an attorney. And immigration attorneys - good ones - can be quite expensive.

(There are also many predatory ones that try to capitalize on immigrants in desperate situations)
 
We'd need some transition program in between. Our economy cannot sustain removing people who provide important labor in industries that depend on immigrant workers, such as agriculture, construction, hospitality, and elder care. Sudden mass removal would create severe economic disruptions, labor shortages, and ripple effects across multiple sectors.

Instead of relying on enforcement alone, a phased transition program to expand temporary work visas, legal pathways, and employer partnerships would prevent instability while addressing legal concerns. A structured reform is necessary to bridge the gap.
I don’t disagree. The obvious problem is that Congress never ever addresses important issues like immigration. They are too concerned with holding on to power.
The good news is that if the MAGATS are successful in significantly reducing the immigrant workforce massive shortages in the labor market will occur and the voters will blame the MAGATS-who will disappear like magic
 
Being undocumented is, by itself, a misdemeanor in many cases.

People can go in and out of legal status and have done nothing more than miss an appointment or piece of mail or fill out a form incorrectly for it to happen.

Our immigration system is ridiculously complex, cumbersome and frankly…expensive.

It’s nearly impossible to truly navigate well without an attorney. And immigration attorneys - good ones - can be quite expensive.

(There are also many predatory ones that try to capitalize on immigrants in desperate situations)
Agreed. I think any transitionary program should try to help out immigrants who are already well adjusted to life here and contributing already. I don't agree with @Ethel2 that those here illegally cut in line for many of those jobs. In many cases, they were recruited by companies looking for cheap labor.
 
Being undocumented is, by itself, a misdemeanor in many cases.

People can go in and out of legal status and have done nothing more than miss an appointment or piece of mail or fill out a form incorrectly for it to happen.

Our immigration system is ridiculously complex, cumbersome and frankly…expensive. And that doesn’t even get into how some visa classifications are also completely skewed against the individuals that find themselves almost trapped in indentured servitude type of status.

It’s nearly impossible to truly navigate well without an attorney. And immigration attorneys - good ones - can be quite expensive.

(There are also many predatory ones that try to capitalize on immigrants in desperate situations)
I get all that. And I have nothing but respect for the workers busting their asses here.
But illegal is illegal. You can’t pick and choose which laws to enforce and which ones to ignore.
 
Illegal immigrants do not have rights. The majority of this country voted for mass deportations. I don't remember you commies getting your panties in a twist when Deporter and Chief Obama deported 5 million illegal aliens.
Actually they do have rights. Which tells me you arent an American posting here
 
You're welcome, and probably encouraged, to leave if you can't handle DHS ICE officers working at obeying federal immigration law.
Yes.
We certainly wouldn't want to stand in the way of the 3k a day quota Donald has hoisted upon them.
And now donalds sending the National Guard to California.
Such a stable genius.
 
I get all that. And I have nothing but respect for the workers busting their asses here.
But illegal is illegal. You can’t pick and choose which laws to enforce and which ones to ignore.
A lot of law enforcement and courts do just that with American criminals who committed non-violent crimes. Why not reward people who are working hard, have built families here, and who already know how to do the work? Bringing in new workers, even if we could do so immediately, would still disrupt many of those industries because they'd be slower and less experienced.
 
I get all that. And I have nothing but respect for the workers busting their asses here.
But illegal is illegal. You can’t pick and choose which laws to enforce and which ones to ignore.
Well then flush our economy right down the toilet.

Every single industry has immigrants that go in and out of current legal status every single day.

Visas get transferred from one employer to another and paperwork gets screwed up and people move in and out of a status.

Sometimes, they get laid off and can’t get another job within X window of time and fall it of a legal status.

Often when that happens, it’s years before they can get legal status again - or they may never be able to.

You really are not demonstrating ANY actual understanding of what it means to be “illegal” - or how it happens.

And I’m not even touching in asylum seekers.

There are so many different factors involved and the entire foolishness of just deporting g everyone who isn’t in a legal status is sheer ignorance talking.

It would send this country try into such a economic downturn and recession - I truly don’t think people grasp how bad it would be.
 
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