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ICE raids across L.A. spark backlash; Trump officials vow to continue operations

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Trump was in charge of the D.C. National Guard that day. Trump was the one who got all those people to go to D.C. that day. Trump was the one who riled that mob up that day with debunked claims of election fraud. Trump was the one who sicced that crowd on the Capitol with lies about how Pence could have handed him the election, but didn't have the courage to do it. But the D.C. National Guard wasn't there, that's on Trump.
 
A nice regurgitation of the often regurgitated politically motivated push narratives.
You get a gold star.

The reality is that its not at all as black and white as you are pushing to make it, as the many forum threads on each of those subjects have shown, as my posts in this thread have shown.
 
Everything I posted is 100% accurate. Too bad if it upsets you.
 
Jagged said:
Everything I posted is 100% accurate. Too bad if it upsets you.
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I doesn't 'upset' me, but I find it rather simplistic, unsophisticated and binary, and exactly as I described it in my previous post.
 
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And still, 100% accurate. The truth doesn't need to be complex. Trump was responsible for having the Guard there that day.
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The 'truth' that you appear to accept, and are purporting, just as long as it aligns with your confirmation bias.

The Devil's in the details, but you just want the simple sounds bites you've been told to parrot.
 
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And still, 100% accurate. The truth doesn't need to be complex. Trump was responsible for having the Guard there that day.
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100% accurate

Accuracy, real facts, context is exactly what cult45/47 hates and dismisses when it comes to any and all real truths about dear leader, and replaced with cherry picking, distorting, taking out of context or flat out intentionally lying, no matter what it involves.

Especially though with their never ending desperate need to try to rewrite history of J6. All just to avoid having to admit where and who the real road leads back to.
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I note you can't refute a word I said.
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<sigh>
Jagged said:
Trump was in charge of the D.C. National Guard that day.
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Read post #2,291

Jagged said:
Trump was the one who got all those people to go to D.C. that day.
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So what? This was for the legal, legitimate and fully permitted rally held at the Eclipse.

Jagged said:
Trump was the one who riled that mob up that day
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If you can show me a conviction for incitement to commit a crime, that'd be nice.

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with debunked claims of election fraud.
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There are still questions about the 2020 election results, chief of which is why there were a marked increase in ballots cast (COVID mail in balloting?)
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Yep, but WHY?


True.


He knew there was shenanigans in 2020 (on both sides obviously).

This election proved it to many.

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Trump was the one who sicced that crowd on the Capitol with lies about how Pence could have handed him the election,
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Again show me an incitement conviction.

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but didn't have the courage to do it.
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But the D.C. National Guard wasn't there, that's on Trump.
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Read post #2,291

Consider your post fully refuted.
 
Even when you break it down so even MAGA can understand, they bitch.
 
Nothing in post #2,291 refutes anything I said. In fact, post #2,291 confirms what I said. Post #2,291 reveals Trump knew there was going to be a massive crowd on J6. Trump knew there were going to be safety concerns on J6. Trump knew the D.C. National Guard was needed on J6. But the Guard wasn't there. That's on Trump, he was the leader of the country that day. It was his responsibility to ensure they were there that day.

I never said assembling that crowd in D.C. was illegal. I said Trump was responsible for that massive crowd being there. Trump was the one who riled them up with lies. Trump was the one who pointed them at the Capitol.

It's kind of hard to convict someone when the jury is tainted with sycophants like this who vote to acquit after saying this...


There may still be questions about the 2020 election results. You're addressing something I didn't say. I said Trump pumped that crowd with debunked claims of election fraud. Every single claim Trump repeated on J6 had already been debunked. He repeated them anyway, riling up an ignorant mob who believed his every wordlie.

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Again show me an incitement conviction.
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See my reference above to Mitch McConnell.

Reread post 2,477. This time, for clarity.

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Consider your post fully refuted.
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<laughing>

Sorry, I don't subscribe to your delusions. Just because you replied to my post doesn't mean refuted even a word of it. You didn't. You just responded.
 
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In all fairness, that was one of my least favorite plays. And my wife and I are avid theater-goers.
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I haven't been the the theater in many years but I remember enjoying seeing it way back when.
 
So not at all as clear as you are trying to pretend it to be.

Jagged said:
I never said assembling that crowd in D.C. was illegal. I said Trump was responsible for that massive crowd being there.
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Which political rally from which politician ever didn't want a large crowd at their political rally?

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Trump was the one who riled them up with lies. Trump was the one who pointed them at the Capitol.
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As I said, do please cite a conviction for

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It's kind of hard to convict someone when the jury is tainted with sycophants like this who vote to acquit after saying this...

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Seems you are confusing 'morally responsible' for being actually criminally responsible, which would have to be proven in court beyond a shadow of a doubt.
But I get it. All you want to manipulate the court of public opinion with, as I correctly called it previously, 'rather simplistic, unsophisticated and binary' sound bites.

Politicians rallying the people with lies is standard practice, it would appear.
Some go so far to as to repeat debunked lies even during Presidential Debates.

In case you've forgotten.

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See my reference above to Mitch McConnell.
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Reread post 2,477. This time, for clarity.
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See the post I quoted above. Again, it's not as black and white as you are pretending it is.

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<laughing>

Sorry, I don't subscribe to your delusions.
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Nor I to your delusions of black and white clarity when the reality is something quite different.

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Just because you replied to my post doesn't mean refuted even a word of it. You didn't. You just responded.
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More pretending from you I see.
 
Strawman. That merely shows the Capitol Police Board can request D.C. National Guard assistance. It doesn't alleviate Trump's responsibility for the Guard not being present that day. Trump is in charge of the D.C. National Guard. The D.C. National Guard reports directly to him. He didn't need the Capitol Police Board to request D.C. National Guard assistance for him to activate the D.C. National Guard. He was in charge but failed to get the Guard to protect the Capitol from his own mob, which he invited to D.C. and which he summoned to the Capitol. Don't think your unabashed devotion (TDS) to him goes unnoticed.

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Which political rally from which politician ever didn't want a large crowd at their political rally?
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Strawman. I never said he didn't want a large crowd. I said he knew he was going to have a large crowd. Said the Guard needed to be there. Said there were safety concerns. But then he didn't get the Guard there. That's on him, no matter how much you protest.

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As I said, do please cite a conviction for
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Strawman. I already proved there were members of his jury who acquitted him with their vote despite condemning him with their words.

Strawman. It's not true that a person's crimes have to be proven in a court of law. It's true, that has to occur in order to convict them, or for them to legitimately be called a "criminal," but I have not called Trump a criminal for anything other than crimes for which he has been convicted in a court of law. As far as the court of public opinion, that 'court' is over 300 million strong. This 'court' has maybe a dozen or so people reading this, and even some of those might be ignoring my posts. So my posting here has nothing to do with trying to "manipulate the court of public opinion." That's just absurd. I'm merely pointing out what happened that day AND highlighting your failure to find errors in anything I've said.

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Politicians rallying the people with lies is standard practice, it would appear.
Some go so far to as to repeat debunked lies even during Presidential Debates.

In case you've forgotten.
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Strawman. I never denied other people lie too. However, Unlike Trump's lies, Biden's lie in that debate didn't inspire anyone to attack our own government.
 
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