ICE raids across L.A. spark backlash; Trump officials vow to continue operations

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[JohnfrmClevelan]

Give me a number.

If it falls short of ALL, then you have a problem that needs bridging, and then to answer the question of: If you are going to lump them all together for one date, then what is the problem with the same lumping of together for other dates.

So you are contending that if the crowd wasn't 100% there for the purpose of hanging Pence or trying to stop the electoral count, that it somehow counters the argument that there was an effort to do either one or both? That's a dumb argument, even for you guys.

Dumb is pretending that hypocrisy isn't there when it's your OX you want to forgive/excuse/justify while you happily gore the other for doing the same.

This has nothing to do with other protests or riots. Jan. 6th was an effort - and part of a wider effort - to overturn an election. There is a big, objective difference between damaging property and sending Congress into hiding for their own safety.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

This assertion of yours is fact-less. Of course there are intraparty discussion in the GOP.


The GOP doesn't work like Democrat party, as we've seen with Hogg's ejection.

In cementing his third-straight Republican presidential nomination, Donald Trump and his staunchest followers have used menace and harassment to fundamentally reshape the party of Reagan, purging officials and activists seen as insufficiently loyal to Trump and his Make America Great Again agenda. Trump has imposed this fealty at every level of the party, from minor state and local officials to members of Congress, cabinet secretaries and rivals for the presidency, calling for revenge on those who resist his demands, vote against his interests or cross his allies.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-election-trump-purge/

This is you clearly citing what you know nothing about, as those conversations, between the president and his staff and other Congressional members are private.

The brand of fealty trump demands from his cabinet, who are supposed to advise the president, would make Kim Jong Un jealous.

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You cite a list of what turn out to be nothing more than public policy discussions, to which you object to the mere discussion of them.

Where on Earth did I say I objected to policy discussions? I love these town halls. They give these toady politicians a dose of reality that they don't get in D.C.

 

[Cope]

So you are contending that if the crowd wasn't 100% there for the purpose of hanging Pence or trying to stop the electoral count, that it somehow counters the argument that there was an effort to do either one or both? That's a dumb argument, even for you guys.

Damn dude. No. I , am not the one contending that. Plenty of those here on this site have though, specifically when it comes to political opposition, but not their own team.

This has nothing to do with other protests or riots. Jan. 6th was an effort - and part of a wider effort - to overturn an election. There is a big, objective difference between damaging property and sending Congress into hiding for their own safety.

Like you just did with the above.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Which 'campus' are you referring in this post?

The Capitol grounds. The SS, trump's SS guys in particular, wanted to put Pence in a car and drive him away, where he couldn't do his job of counting the electoral votes. Pence refused to go, and stayed in the building with his own SS detail.

This must be referencing the Capitol, as Babbitt was the only 'dead body'.

It was.

I don't know if your questioning of the 3:40 AM completion is due to your lack of knowledge of the events, or just a tactic of challenging any and every claim for the sake of wasting time. I don't know how little your news sources tell you about the details they don't like to report on. But these are things you really should have been aware of if you were going to debate.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Interesting bit of history that.

Twitter, in the old days, was a leftist echo chamber, forced to be so as curated by Dorsey.
Then that leftist echo chamber was taken away when Musk bought Twitter, turned it into X and made it more neutral.
Next, those who can't handle posts which didn't massage their confirmation bias, couldn't handle anything but a leftist echo chamber, fled to BlueSky and re-created their leftist echo chamber.

Those that did simply can't handle others who have the temerity to hold differing opinions and positions other than their own.
That should tell you something. Something important, and those people who fled to BlueSky are the same people who are running our MSM.

Twitter was fine before Musk took it over. In typical DOGE fashion, he immediately slashed his staff. Then he did away with fact-checking, because fact-checking doesn't fit in with right-wing gaslighting. X is useless now, it might as well be Parler.

Differing opinions are fine, and welcomed. Differing facts, though, are a problem.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

If you can show me a conviction for incitement to commit a crime, that'd be nice.

If trump were convicted - and he was on his way before running out the clock - you would just dismiss it as a politically motivated conviction anyway.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Damn dude. No. I , am not the one contending that. Plenty of those here on this site have though, specifically when it comes to political opposition, but not their own team.

Then what were you trying to say when you said "Give me a number. If it falls short of ALL, blah blah blah."

 

[eohrnberger]

In cementing his third-straight Republican presidential nomination, Donald Trump and his staunchest followers have used menace and harassment to fundamentally reshape the party of Reagan, purging officials and activists seen as insufficiently loyal to Trump and his Make America Great Again agenda. Trump has imposed this fealty at every level of the party, from minor state and local officials to members of Congress, cabinet secretaries and rivals for the presidency, calling for revenge on those who resist his demands, vote against his interests or cross his allies.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-election-trump-purge/

This being one guy's opinion. So what?

The brand of fealty trump demands from his cabinet, who are supposed to advise the president, would make Kim Jong Un jealous.

This yet more from your fevered imaginations.
I see you've finally tired of the Hitler comparisons and have switched. Doesn't make it any more accurate than the previous comparison.

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This better than covering up for a president unfit for the office who barely had any cabinet meetings.

President Biden held a Cabinet meeting on September 20, 2024, the first since October 2, 2023, marking nearly a year without a full Cabinet gathering.​

• Washington Times (January 5, 2023): Reports Biden held only six Cabinet meetings since taking office in January 2021, citing Mark Knoller, a former CBS News correspondent. It compares this to Trump (18 meetings), Obama (12), and Bush (11) at similar points, reinforcing Biden’s low frequency.
  
  

  Biden convenes first Cabinet meeting of 2023, touts accomplishments

  President Biden on Thursday urged his Cabinet secretaries to swiftly implement key pieces of legislation passed last year, saying the American people need to see the impact of these laws as quickly as possible.

  www.washingtontimes.com
  
  
• CNN (May 14, 2025): Notes Cabinet members’ limited access to Biden in 2023–2024, with one secretary stating the Cabinet was “kept at bay” after October 2023, corroborating the Fox News timeline.
  
  https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/14/politics/biden-book-cabinet-emergency

Where on Earth did I say I objected to policy discussions? I love these town halls. They give these toady politicians a dose of reality that they don't get in D.C.

I was specifically referring to the various policy topics which you object to even discussing. Go back to the your post which I quoted if you've forgotten.

 

[eohrnberger]

The Capitol grounds. The SS, trump's SS guys in particular, wanted to put Pence in a car and drive him away, where he couldn't do his job of counting the electoral votes. Pence refused to go, and stayed in the building with his own SS detail.

I find Pence being on the Capital grounds as 3:40 AM rather improbable. I'd suspect that he'd more likely be at the Naval Observatory in his own bed at that time of night.

It was.

I don't know if your questioning of the 3:40 AM completion is due to your lack of knowledge of the events, or just a tactic of challenging any and every claim for the sake of wasting time. I don't know how little your news sources tell you about the details they don't like to report on. But these are things you really should have been aware of if you were going to debate.

Covered above.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

I find Pence being on the Capital grounds as 3:40 AM rather improbable. I'd suspect that he'd more likely be at the Naval Observatory in his own bed at that time of night.

Well, it's a documented fact, one of many facts that you are skeptical of for no good reason, other than to keep your own misinformation bubble from bursting.

 

[Jagged]

I find Pence being on the Capital grounds as 3:40 AM rather improbable. I'd suspect that he'd more likely be at the Naval Observatory in his own bed at that time of night.


Covered above.

Are you ever right about anything??

 

[Hamish Howl]

I find Pence being on the Capital grounds as 3:40 AM rather improbable. I'd suspect that he'd more likely be at the Naval Observatory in his own bed at that time of night.


Covered above.

 

[eohrnberger]

Twitter was fine before Musk took it over.

Opinions would differ on that. Hasn't it been established that there was active banning, censoring, shadow banning and the life of conversate voices?
Yeah, no no wonder you'd like that this version of Twitter 'was fine before Musk took it over'.
Now that those practices have stopped, suddenly you dislike it.

In typical DOGE fashion, he immediately slashed his staff. Then he did away with fact-checking, because fact-checking doesn't fit in with right-wing gaslighting.

In interesting mischaracterization of what was going on. Clearly biased fact checking stemming from the Sn Francisco extremist liberal / progressive staff.
Hey, guess what. The rest of the country isn't that.

X is useless now, it might as well be Parler.

Again, opinions differ.

Differing opinions are fine, and welcomed. Differing facts, though, are a problem.

Asserting opinion as facts are also a problem.

 

[eohrnberger]

If trump were convicted - and he was on his way before running out the clock - you would just dismiss it as a politically motivated conviction anyway.

I've already posted my views on that state trial, and they lean to a political hit job / politically motivated.

Rasmussen Reports Poll (August–September 2024)​

• Source: Rasmussen Reports, posted on X by
  @Rasmussen_Poll Question: “Do you agree or disagree with this statement: ‘The New York prosecution of Trump was politics, not justice’?”
  (August 23, August 24, and September 6, 2024).
• Results:
  • All Voters: 57% agreed (viewed trial as politically motivated).
  • Democrats: 39% agreed.
  • Independents: 61% agreed (50% strongly agreed, per August 23 post).
  • Republicans: 73% agreed.

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I'm glad to see that I'm not in the minority on that.

 

[eohrnberger]

Well, it's a documented fact, one of many facts that you are skeptical of for no good reason, other than to keep your own misinformation bubble from bursting.

This 'documented fact' of yours is nothing more than your subjective opinion which you want to push forth as fact in your narrative.
That's the same as pushing propaganda.

Given that one of the topics raised was that all the content of our discussion isn't a simple 'black and white' binary issue, given the amount of posting back and forth, it is pretty apparently a correct and accurate assessment. Don't you think?

 

[eohrnberger]

Are you ever right about anything??

That I challenge and question whether the VP was up and on Capitol grounds at 3:40 AM isn't 'right' or 'wrong' issue / question.
Do you always see everything as needlessly binary?

What do you believe that this video proves or disproves?

 

[Jagged]

I've already posted my views on that state trial, and they lean to a political hit job / politically motivated.

Rasmussen Reports Poll (August–September 2024)​

• Source: Rasmussen Reports, posted on X by
  @Rasmussen_Poll Question: “Do you agree or disagree with this statement: ‘The New York prosecution of Trump was politics, not justice’?”
  (August 23, August 24, and September 6, 2024).
• Results:
  • All Voters: 57% agreed (viewed trial as politically motivated).
  • Democrats: 39% agreed.
  • Independents: 61% agreed (50% strongly agreed, per August 23 post).
  • Republicans: 73% agreed.

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I'm glad to see that I'm not in the minority on that.

You realize even if it was politically motivated, the evidence in court proved he was guilty, right?

 

[Jagged]

That I challenge and question whether the VP was up and on Capitol grounds at 3:40 AM isn't 'right' or 'wrong' issue / question.
Do you always see everything as needlessly binary?


What do you believe that this video proves or disproves?

You thought it was improbable that he would be there at that hour. That video proves you were wrong.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

This 'documented fact' of yours is nothing more than your subjective opinion which you want to push forth as fact in your narrative.
That's the same as pushing propaganda.

Given that one of the topics raised was that all the content of our discussion isn't a simple 'black and white' binary issue, given the amount of posting back and forth, it is pretty apparently a correct and accurate assessment. Don't you think?

A timestamped video showing a live shot of Pence wrapping things up at 3:40 AM is absolutely a black and white thing. It is a friggin' documented fact, exactly as I described. That you are calling this documented fact "subjective opinion" just goes to back up my suspicion that you are either incapable or unwilling to admit to any facts, expert opinions, common sense conclusions, circumstantial evidence, hard evidence, testimonial evidence, or even what you have probably seen with your own GD eyes that doesn't agree with your imaginary world of "alternative facts."

 

[NWRatCon]

What do you believe that this video proves ...?

That your assertion was a bald-face lie, and that you are not a credible poster, but a propagandist immune to reality.