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ICE fascist scumbags at it again.

j brown's body said:
I'm simply referring to how tyrants function with regard to us not knowing why she was deported. I understand that it is done in our name.
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So, then, the next question is, what are you going to do about it?

Don't worry, I know that's a complex question, I do not expect an answer right now. But I hope you'll all think about it, and I hope the answer isn't nothing - not even as a part of the most dangerous sentence: "there's nothing I can do".
 
Kind of a pattern here?

From this story:

"Officers also allegedly told Saroukos, who was only planning on staying for a three-week visit, that she had too many clothes in her suitcase."

From the two German girl's deportation story.

"Included in their travel documents were interrogation transcripts signed by the girls, which “contained sentences we didn’t actually say,” said Charlotte after the ordeal. “They twisted it to make it seem as if we admitted that we wanted to work illegally in the US.”"


These ICE guys are struggling to meet quotas, and are thus, cut loose to make all sorts of arbitrary and subjective decisions.
 
Hari Seldon said:
www.independent.co.uk

Australian woman says she was deported after visiting US army husband at Hawaii base

Nicolle Saroukos, 25, of Sydney, says she was held in federal prison overnight before she was deported
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

Unbelievable.
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Yes, it is unbelievable isn't it. Wonder if there is more to the story? Of course I've seen TSA agents act like real asses a few times and I know customs folks are pretty no nonsense. so we will have to wait to see what else comes out.
 
OlNate said:
From the article, it appears that the agents dealing with her felt as if she had too many clothes in her suitcase for a three week visit, and that she was going to overstay her visa.
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We can read the source article and come to a few more likely conclusions that aren't quite so melodramatic. She says this was to be her third visit since getting married in December. If we do some basic math, we can see that that's right around six months. Because she's Australian, she's probably entering under the Visa Waiver Program, allowing a maximum stay of 90 days. Stay for 90 days twice, and that's six months. Stay for six months and it starts to look an awful lot like you don't have a job or fixed permanent residence in your home country. The more time you spend in the US, the less likely you are to have ties to compel your return. She has a husband in the US, and (quite possibly) has spent most of the last six months here. She has quite a bit of motive to stay and little demanding her presence in Australia (if she had long stays). And who knows what they found in her phone? Evidence of intent to seek employment? I just have no reason to believe this woman was picked at random and excuses were made up to refuse her admission.

OlNate said:
So, no, based on that, she was not entering illegally, she had a visa.
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I don't know that she did, but it doesn't matter. Whether entering with a visa or on the Visa Waiver Program, you are not guaranteed admission to the United States.
 
OlNate said:
Do you think people entering your country legally should be treated this way?
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People entering my country have to prove to the satisfaction of the inspecting officer that they are not an intending immigrant. I have significant doubt regarding the veracity of the details of this story, especially since all we hear is her side of it.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
People entering my country have to prove to the satisfaction of the inspecting officer that they are not an intending immigrant. I have significant doubt regarding the veracity of the details of this story, especially since all we hear is her side of it.
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OK, despite being shocked at both of your responses, I'll shelf this for now, we'll talk again when more details are available.
 
OlNate said:
OK, despite being shocked at both of your responses, I'll shelf this for now, we'll talk again when more details are available.
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OlNate said:
OK, despite being shocked at both of your responses, I'll shelf this for now, we'll talk again when more details are available.
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Unlikely. The whole point is that details will never be made available. The woman will not be given a reason why she was deported, and MAGA like @Bullseye and @Grizzly Adams aren't particularly curious about it--and even if they were, their role is not to question Donald but to simply accept his edicts so he's certainly not going to read the likes of them into his thought process and they certainly aren't going to ask questions that could be perceived as evidence of disloyalty. They're just foot soldiers, after all. Besides, her skin was somewhat darker and she had tattoos so it's not like they want the likes of her anywhere near them anyway.

So, I doubt there will be more talking again on this subject.
 
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Athanasius68 said:
Ok-- but was she entering the country lawfully?

That wasn't part of the story.
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She was detained at a ****ing airport and had a visa. Literally made the same trip 3 times prior.

You guys are so credulous yet continue to defend the indefensible. Everything the fascist nutbag says is true and justified, everything regular people being bullied by this regime say is fake and made-up.

Meanwhile this regime is literally letting in Sinaloa Cartel members on purpose and expediting asylum and refugee status for victims of a fake white genocide, but y'all ain't got shit to say about that.
 
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j brown's body said:
Is this really neccesary? It's a sick, ****ing show put on by our sadistic commander in chief. Anyone doing this work should feel degraded.

"The officer checking passports “went from completely composed to just yelling at the top of his lungs, telling my mother to go stand at the back of the line and to excuse my language, ‘shut up’,” Saroukos recalled."

...She was then put through a body cavity search before being paraded through the airport in handcuffs and taken to the federal detention center.

“They stated, ‘No, you’re not under arrest. You haven’t done anything wrong, and you’ll be facing no criminal charges.’ So I was very confused as to why this was all happening,” she said."
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I thought that you would be glad that white people are also being targeted... thus calming down the racist accusations, but you just pivoted instead.


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phoenix2020 said:
Unlikely. The whole point is that details will never be made available. The woman will not be given a reason why she was deported, and MAGA like @Bullseye and @Grizzly Adams aren't particularly curious about it--and even if they were, their role is not to question Donald but to simply accept his edicts so he's certainly not going to read the likes of them into his thought process and they certainly aren't going to ask questions that could be perceived as evidence of disloyalty. They're just foot soldiers, after all. Besides, her skin was somewhat darker and she had tattoos so it's not like they want the likes of her anywhere near them anyway.

So, I doubt there will be more talking again on this subject.
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I mean, I leave the door open, but I tend to agree, I don't think there are any more details coming out about this from the government, so you're probably right, @Grizzly Adams and I are most likely finished.

The issue you can't escape in debate, keeping judgments and assumptions out of it for a sec, is that not having both sides represents a logical problem to where the conversation is kind of impossible to have.

Consider:

1) Do you agree with the way someone entering your country legally was treated? How do you know that's how she was entering the country legally, you only have her side of the story.
2) Well, what about the treatment at least? Even if she was overstaying her welcome, or was approaching visa expiration, both of which are also assumptions by the way, did it warrant the way she was treated? How do you know that's how she was treated, you only have her side of the story.

And so on. And it's fair in a debate setting, even if sometimes it appears wildly disingenuous.

You cannot debate something that cannot be verified. It's a ****ed up story, and I tend to believe it, it follows the pattern of stupid bullshit we've heard about since you guys went all wild down there. But you can't have an intellectual debate on it, because you always, and correctly, get beat by the fact that the other side of the story has not been presented. Given that there was no point in continuing, I respectfully broke off. Grizzly and I probably don't agree on much on the political front, but I do like talking to him from time to time, so this wasn't the hill to die on for me.

The sad part would be that it's unlikely that there's all that many people criticizing this that will actually demand to know the other side of the story. Not because I personally believe that there's any way to explain away this story, and not because I think some random lady would make this shit up, where she would be under exponentially more scrutiny than the government would ever have to worry about, but rather because in not doing so one "side" always get to say that the other "side" only has one side of the story. The allegation has been made and all that is required to believe or disbelieve is to default to whatever one's partisan reaction should be. Also, it appears that any differences in belief are written off with the same explanation - "they only believe what their side tells them to"... hehe It's kinda weird, to be honest.

At the end of the day, as wild as this story might be, I worry that the focus too quickly becomes about it being just another opportunity to take a swing at the other guy, and the story kind of gets lost in all of it. Next week it will be another outrage or scandal or gong show, and this will be forgotten, or just melt into the greater narrative. At the risk of being accused of "both-side-ism", I think both "sides" do tend to lose sight of the individual human element in all of this, which kinda makes it easy for both "sides" to accuse each other of insincerity and hypocrisy.

I called this a long time ago. The reason for all this division has always been to hamstring the American people, to where they couldn't do anything about the kind of crazy shit you're seeing right now in your country. At the center of this tug of war you have your government and you have your corporations, doing exactly what they want, without even feeling the need to explain themselves so you can scrutinize "the other side of the story", while both "sides" spend all their effort just pulling a dumb rope.

Not good, bud, but it's not like it's not obvious. 🤷‍♂️
 
Queen Margo said:
you are probably right
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I see what you are trying to imply.

www.hawaiinewsnow.com

‘I’m not a criminal’: Military wife detained, deported at Honolulu airport

U.S. border officials denied entry for Nicolle Saroukos, who says she was "treated like a criminal."
www.hawaiinewsnow.com www.hawaiinewsnow.com



www.fox10tv.com

Military wife says she was detained, deported when trying to visit husband on vacation

Nicolle Saroukos says she tried to visit her husband, a U.S. Army lieutenant, but ended up detained and deported back to Australia.
www.fox10tv.com www.fox10tv.com

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14734137/nikki-saroukos-united-states-deportation.html

Do you have anything that makes it unbelievable?
 
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