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ICE agents denied entry to Dodger Stadium

snakestretcher said:
There are none, and never were any "open border policies". That's a lie promulgated by your liar-in-chief. Of course you're free to link us to official documentation confirming your claim.
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Sorry, no. I live a state with open border policies, and they predate Trump's time in office.
 
snakestretcher said:
Show us this alleged "policy". Official directives, codes, laws, statutes, whatever. They must exist, right?
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How about issuing driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants? How about actively forbidding local law enforcement to contact federal immigration officials if they become aware someone in custody is in the country illegally? How about the enforcement of wage laws on employers for their undocumented workers? How about state-sponsored legal aid for undocumented immigrants?

These are open border policies, and it is you who is buying in to propaganda when you claim they do not exist. You can be excused as you don't live here, but don't fall into the trap of being so arrogant that you think you understand living conditions here in the US better than those of us who live here.
 
NatMorton said:
How about issuing driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants? How about actively forbidding local law enforcement to contact federal immigration officials if they become aware someone in custody is in the country illegally? How about the enforcement of wage laws on employers for their undocumented workers? How about state-sponsored legal aid for undocumented immigrants?

These are open border policies, and it is you who is buying in to propaganda when you claim they do not exist. You can be excused as you don't live here, but don't fall into the trap of being so arrogant that you think you understand living conditions here in the US better than those of us who live here.
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You realize, that's not actually what open borders means, right?
 
snakestretcher said:
There are none, and never were any "open border policies". That's a lie promulgated by your liar-in-chief. Of course you're free to link us to official documentation confirming your claim.
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I'm literally pro open borders and I'm sick of right wingers just ****ing making up definitions.
 
gman said:
You mean like democrats do perpetually?🤔
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Lol I'm not a Democrat, but are you gonna start crying about genders and pronouns again? Cause there isn't a single goddamn right wing gender-critical or transvestigator who has come up with a definition or man or woman that would pass legal or scientific muster.

Cause y'all don't ****ing understand anything, least of all science or the law.
 
NatMorton said:
No, you're wrong. It's what it means.
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Well, seeing as there is no such 'policy' as your silence in response to my request for evidence has demonstrated, why do you persist in spreading the lie? Remember what Goebbels famously said about lies?

Joseph Goebbels On the “Big Lie”

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Irredentist said:
Nope. An open border doesn't have border control. America has border control. Therefore, America does not have open borders. It's actually really simple to understand.
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"Simple" is a perfect way to describe what you just said.

But no, open border policies do not mean literally no border control. When conservatives -- like me and not you -- refer to open border policies we are referring to written and unwritten policies that tolerate -- and thus encourage -- illegal immigration. The examples I provided here in MA are in fact examples of open border policies.
 
snakestretcher said:
Well, seeing as there is no such 'policy' as your silence in response to my request for evidence has demonstrated, why do you persist in spreading the lie? Remember what Goebbels famously said about lies?

Joseph Goebbels On the “Big Lie”

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org
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I answered your question and provided examples. See post 155.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Lol I'm not a Democrat, but are you gonna start crying about genders and pronouns again? Cause there isn't a single goddamn right wing gender-critical or transvestigator who has come up with a definition or man or woman that would pass legal or scientific muster.

Cause y'all don't ****ing understand anything, least of all science or the law.
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Who the hell said anything about genders and pronouns except you just now? Get a grip.
 
Michael Cole said:
I see you've moved from dumb memes to incoherence. Good ol' days. Dumb new days. Look to the future!!! The meme you used is a herd of dead horses beating a dead horse.

People are being apprehended at school, in parking lots, at court. This is the atmosphere Trump has created. Old memes from antiquity involving one person are pretty useless here.
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I don't really get the distinction.

If those in charge want to apprehend people (they do) , they apprehend them wherever they are found (they are).

I guess I get the nuance that people seem to be ASKING for, perhaps a little decorum but that isn't really what this is about. It is about deporting as many people , that are illegally here, as possible, WHEREVER they may be found.
Criminals (and they are of the crime of being here illegally), again, people want to mince words and have a nuanced discussion about it. There is not one forthcoming.

When Congress gets off their asses, and decides to do something about it, perhaps things change and nuance can be achieved.
 
gman said:
Who the hell said anything about genders and pronouns except you just now? Get a grip.
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Probably stinging from the SCOTUS ruling yesterday, give them a break!

Seriously though, whatabout Jan 6th?
 
SuperDS77 said:
Probably stinging from the SCOTUS ruling yesterday, give them a break!

Seriously though, whatabout Jan 6th?
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What about January 6th? Still to this day pisses me off that it occurred and that Trump knowingly incited it.
 
NatMorton said:
Sorry, no. I live a state with open border policies, and they predate Trump's time in office.
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So are you worried about an invasion of people from New Hampshire, Vermont, New York, Connecticut, and Rhode Island?
 
ClaraD said:
For the folks screaming it was CBP…some observations
1. Border Patrol is restricted to 100 miles from the border. LA is 159 miles away
2. Border Patrol is required to wear a uniform and it has to say Border Patrol.
3. One of those agents has a visible tattoo and they have a policy of no visible tattoos.
4. BP has to wear a green border patrol baseball cap.

None of them fit BP standards. So either these are imposters or they are ICE, ERO, HSI …so, which is it?
Btw, CBP, ICE, ERO, HSI all are agencies under DHS and they work together
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How far is the Pacific Ocean from Dodger Stadium. The actual law say: 100 miles of any U.S. land or coastal border
 
NatMorton said:
"Simple" is a perfect way to describe what you just said.

But no, open border policies do not mean literally no border control. When conservatives -- like me and not you -- refer to open border policies we are referring to written and unwritten policies that tolerate -- and thus encourage -- illegal immigration. The examples I provided here in MA are in fact examples of open border policies.
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You don't get to just make up a new definition for open borders when the normal one isn't politically convenient for you. MA doesn't have any international borders, so it's not possible for MA to have an open border policy.
 
Irredentist said:
You don't get to just make up a new definition for open borders when the normal one isn't politically convenient for you. MA doesn't have any international borders, so it's not possible for MA to have an open border policy.
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I am telling you what conservatives mean when they say "open border policies" -- policies that facilitate illegal immigration. You don't get to make up what conservatives mean and don't mean when we describe these policies. Arguing that MA lacks an international border is more than dumb since the issue is illegal immigration, of which we have much. It's also foolish to limit the discussion to physical border security since the most common form of illegal immigration stems from the overstay of visas. The "border," conceptually, is everywhere within the US.

You're not interested in solving this problem, and that is you're right, but you're in no credible position to tell me what I mean or don't mean. That's just stupid.
 
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