I was refused a firearm and I have no felonies, am not a terrorist, no domestic violence, no convictions for anything since I was eighteen.

[VySky]

I'm curious. Which box did you answer 11e? Hunter was prosecuted for lying on this form to that question

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Atf_form_4473-firearms_transaction_record_5300_9revised_0.pdf

 

[multivita-man]

Why would you support a police state?

Of course not. I don't think more gun restrictions are a harbinger of authoritarianism. I mean look at the pro-gun party now, basically militarizing federal law enforcement and turning the US military into a domestic police force. Individual gun rights to the extreme do not in and of themselves contribute to a libertarian society. Respect for individual gun rights, among the other essential civil rights, on the other hand, most certainly does.

Agreed. I believe in redemption.

It's not just about redemption. People who have served their sentence should regain their freedom. That is how you make a society's civil rights stronger. Having laws that perpetually punish them for some mistake in judgment or even something really bad that they did one or two decades ago is a form of authoritarianism. It gives the government more power to manipulate people, which weakens everyone's rights.

 

[Captain America]

It's not about having sympathy for convicts; it's about giving people another chance at being productive, tax-paying, law-abiding citizens. We should encourage that.

Yeah, that sounds good and all.

Look man, to borrow a line, don't think that, just because I don't care, means that I don't have feelings. I do. In fact, I feel really bad that I don't care. But.... I don't care.

There are a gazillion people in this world who are not felons. Pardon me if I choose to consort with those kind of people instead of a convicted felon types.

To me, it's like a crackhead. Once a crackhead, always a crackhead. Sure, a convict can rehabilitate and go on to be a contribution to society. I applaud that and I wish them the very best.

But before they were incarcerated and rehabilitated, they were low-life criminals. You don't go to prison for just playing hooky. Do the crime and you get all that goes with it. Can't put toothpaste back into the tube. Too bad, so sad. Go forth. Do good. But your conviction goes with you for the rest of your life, if I had it my way. I know, I know. I'm a dick, right?

Yeah. Well, I don't care.

 

[multivita-man]

I'm curious. Which box did you answer 11e? Hunter was prosecuted for lying on this form to that question


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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Atf_form_4473-firearms_transaction_record_5300_9revised_0.pdf

Reminder to the OP, you're now being asked whether you potentially lied on a federal form. I would definitely speak to a lawyer before making any kind of admission to that effect. And sorry, @VySky, I'm not attacking you or accusing you of anything, just stating a fact that the OP needs to consider.

 

[CLAX1911]

Of course not.

Give me not realize you do but you most certainly do if you would support gun control. What you're saying when you say someone can't use this to defend themselves is you are necessarily saying that it can be used against you

I don't think more gun restrictions is a harbinger of authoritarianism.

More authority is closer to authoritarianism notice the root words.

I mean look at the pro-gun party now, basically militarizing federal law enforcement and turning the US military into a domestic police force.

I'm sorry let me interrupt my tea party with Zeus Mickey mouse and the Easter Bunny what?

Individual gun rights to the extreme do not in and of themselves contribute to a libertarian society.

Good thing it's not to the extreme.

Respect for individual gun rights, among the other essential civil rights, on the other hand, most certainly does.

So any further restriction on the basis of this gun is classified as an assault weapon is not respecting rights or the intelligence of the people.

It's not just about redemption. People who have served their sentence should regain their freedom.

Well I think that's 100% about redemption but yeah. If you're still doing criminal activities no.

That is how you make a society's civil rights stronger. Having laws that perpetually punish them for some mistake in judgment or even something really bad that they did one or two decades ago is a form of authoritarianism.

Yeah that's 100% about redemption but if you don't like that word I accept that.

It gives the government more power to manipulate people, which weakens everyone's rights.

But what about giving the government more power to use firearms against you?

 

[Exquisitor]

You stole a TV? You admit to growing pot? (got off on a technicality"). I've got a guess or two why you can't get a firearm.

That's non-sense, no due process.

 

[CLAX1911]

That's non-sense, no due process.

Agreed the ATF does not exist to give due process it exists to circumvent that. The best thing to do is either completely dismantle and dissolve the organization or take away any ability for all organizations like this to create regulations.

It should have never been acceptable in the first place.

 

[Chock Full o Nuts]

Is there still record of you growing, though charges dropped? That'll do it.

I believe they look into matters a bit. I was arrested in early 20's over verbal fight with wife that neighbors called in; because they 'have to take someone'.... Dropped to M4 I believe it was. Nothing physical.

Had one firearm purchase delayed after I had already bought others before, and CCW permit took a few weeks to receive mine after wifes, though we applied in person at the same time. But ot cleared.

Seems certain things may prevent you from legally attaining a firearm. Imagine that...

 

[Exquisitor]

Reminder to the OP, you're now being asked whether you potentially lied on a federal form. I would definitely speak to a lawyer before making any kind of admission to that effect. And sorry, @VySky, I'm not attacking you or accusing you of anything, just stating a fact that the OP needs to consider.

I object to Marijuana being classified with these other substances, besides not unlawful, I don't consider any addiction.

Unlawful, Genesis 1:29, "Behold, I have you given you every seed bearing herb for food." The Caravan Priests that wrote that, knew of the herb.

 

[CLAX1911]

I object to Marijuana being classified with these other substances, besides not unlawful, I don't consider any addiction.

Unlawful, Genesis 1:29, "Behold, I have you given you every seed bearing herb for food." The Caravan Priests that wrote that, knew of the herb.

It's not about what you consider. That sounds like sovereign citizen stuff.

 

[Jessie C]

And that was for a stolen TV. I was however arrested for allegedly growing cannabis in my house. The case was eventually booted for an illegal search and seizure, so no conviction.

Any guesses as to why I can't own a firearm. I refuse to pay the bastards to find out why.

I hate to say it, but maybe it's because you aren't registered as a F****** douchebag republican? Buy a gun online while you still can.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Do you have a medical card for weed?

Some states have thrown up all kinds of barriers, to firearms, certain jobs, certifications, licenses, medical insurance, you name it, because someone has a MMJ card.
To me this creates second class citizens and illustrates WHY "medical marijuana" is a bogus idea and always has been.
It just needs to be LEGALIZED PERIOD.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

To me, it's like a crackhead. Once a crackhead, always a crackhead. Sure, a convict can rehabilitate and go on to be a contribution to society. I applaud that and I wish them the very best.
But before they were incarcerated and rehabilitated, they were low-life criminals.

Sorry but I take issue with the above.
I put down the crack pipe thirty plus years ago after about five years as a user and haven't even had a craving.

 

[JMB1911A1]

I hate to say it, but maybe it's because you aren't registered as a F****** douchebag republican? Buy a gun online while you still can.

You do realize that online gun sales have to be shipped to a local FFL for a NICS check, don’t you? Maybe you should learn the laws before giving potentially illegal advice.

 

[Jessie C]

You do realize that online gun sales have to be shipped to a local FFL for a NICS check, don’t you? Maybe you should learn the laws before giving potentially illegal advice.

You're full of shit. I can buy a gun every minute of everyday on the open market. One just needs to know where to look.

 

[JMB1911A1]

You're full of shit.

Language. No need to be insulting when you are giving advice to break Federal law.

I can buy a gun every minute of everyday on the open market. One just needs to know where to look.

So, you are saying that would deliberately break the law? By Federal law, all online gun sales are shipped to a local FFL who will do a background check on buyer. Are you buying guys illegally?

 

[Jessie C]

Language. No need to be insulting when you are giving advice to break Federal law.

So, you are saying that would deliberately break the law? By Federal law, all online gun sales are shipped to a local FFL who will do a background check on buyer. Are you buying guys illegally?

No, I don't have to. I'm not a criminal, I can buy guns all day long. The law??? As declared by the biggest loser criminal president ever???? SHUT UP.

 

[JMB1911A1]

No, I don't have to. I'm not a criminal, I can buy guns all day long. The law??? As declared by the biggest loser criminal president ever???? SHUT UP.

Temper, temper. I was just advise the OP that you were giving him advice that violated Federal Law. Federal Law that has been in place for decades.

And I have bought multiple firearms on line. Shipped to my local FFL and I pay a nominal transfer fee when I do the 4473 and pick up the firearm.

 

[Noodlegawd]

And that was for a stolen TV. I was however arrested for allegedly growing cannabis in my house. The case was eventually booted for an illegal search and seizure, so no conviction.

Any guesses as to why I can't own a firearm. I refuse to pay the bastards to find out why.

Just because you were dinged on a NICS check doesn't necessarily mean you're actually legally prohibited from purchasing a firearm. You do, after all, live in Florida, where you can buy a firearm from a private seller without a background check. But you might want to consult a lawyer before doing that.

 

[Chock Full o Nuts]

You do realize that online gun sales have to be shipped to a local FFL for a NICS check, don’t you? Maybe you should learn the laws before giving potentially illegal advice.

You're full of shit. I can buy a gun every minute of everyday on the open market. One just needs to know where to look.

We talking private market vs 'visible' online 'seller' sale? Two different things.

Through a site; rules...

Private sale, without doing your homework, leaves someone else with a firearm registered to you.

I would not sell a firearm to anyone without transfer of ownership.

Hell, I didn't even let my own cousin drive my old van I sold to him out of the drive until he came back with his plate on it.

It's out of my hands, and now yours....

 

[Jessie C]

Temper, temper. I was just advise the OP that you were giving him advice that violated Federal Law. Federal Law that has been in place for decades.

And I have bought multiple firearms on line. Shipped to my local FFL and I pay a nominal transfer fee when I do the 4473 and pick up the firearm.

No temper here, asshole. What an idiotic response. I could buy any gun from any of many sources....any online or local neighbor period...or from anyone with a gun to sell in a heartbeat. I don't support violating current law enforcement. but I'm NOT a criminal and I still have the right to buy a gun. You creepy bastards who support trump and his regime need to go down hard.

 

[Noodlegawd]

We talking private market vs 'visible' online 'seller' sale? Two different things.

Through a site; rules...

Private sale, without doing your homework, leaves someone else with a firearm registered to you.

I would not sell a firearm to anyone without transfer of ownership.

Hell, I didn't even let my own cousin drive my old van I sold to him out of the drive until he came back with his plate on it.

It's out of my hands, and now yours....

Unless you live in one of the few states with firearm registration (which you apparently don't), firearms are not "registered to you."

 

[JMB1911A1]

No temper here, asshole. What an idiotic response. I could buy any gun from any of many sources....any online or local neighbor period...or from anyone with a gun to sell in a heartbeat. I don't support violating current law enforcement. but I'm NOT a criminal and I still have the right to buy a gun. You creepy bastards who support trump and his regime need to go down hard.

If you buy a gun from a private sale and you are a prohibited person under Federal Law, then you are violating Federal Law. Every gun seller on the internet is going to follow Federal Law and ship to an FFL. Unless of course, you are buying guns on the “dark web”.

 

[Noodlegawd]

If you buy a gun from a private sale and you are a prohibited person under Federal Law, then you are violating Federal Law. Every gun seller on the internet is going to follow Federal Law and ship to an FFL. Unless of course, you are buying guns on the “dark web”.

I don't think federal law requires private sellers on the internet to ship to an FFL unless it's to another state. I could be wrong.

 

[RF667799]

I don't think federal law requires private sellers on the internet to ship to an FFL unless it's to another state. I could be wrong.

An intrastate private sale is generally legal in most states, no matter if you found the gun online, newspaper ad, or word-of-mouth. Some states do require a background check for private party sales. Shipping a gun between private parties is yet another matter.

And the bottom line is that if you were denied a purchase at an FFL, you're playing with fire to try to buy one privately. If you're a prohibited person, it's illegal to even possess a gun.