I walked into a bar with a gun today...[W;108]

[AJiveMan]

Re: I walked into a bar with a gun today...

I like cheese from a crock, not ....

 

[Jerry]

Re: I walked into a bar with a gun today...

i have yet to encounter a situation where i would encounter a person with gun intent on killing me.

Oh my sweet summer child.

 

[AJiveMan]

A number of states have already done it... if there had been significant problems arising therefrom, it would have been plastered all over the news in flaming letters six feet high.

I don't know which state you live in, but, if I were you, I'd recheck the laws of your state.

This is for Wisconsin;

Can I carry a firearm, concealed or open, in a tavern?

A tavern is any establishment, other than a private or fraternal organization, in which
alcohol beverages are sold for consumption on the premises. Wis. Stat. § 941.237(1)(fm)
and (3)(cx).

No one may possess a handgun in a tavern unless they are a law enforcement
officer, a correctional officer in the line of duty, a member of the US armed forces or
national guard in the line of duty, a private security person meeting certain criteria, the
tavern licensee, owner or manager or their authorized employee or agent, or have a
CCW license or valid out of state license. Wis. Stat. § 941.237(2) and (3)(a)-(cx).

A peace officer, a Wisconsin CCW licensee, a qualified out-of-state licensee, a qualified
out-of-state law enforcement officer and a former law enforcement officer can carry a
concealed handgun in a tavern and a CCW licensee and authorized out-of-state CCW
licensee can carry a concealed handgun in a tavern only if they are not consuming alcohol on the premises. Wis. Stat. § 941.237(3)(cr), (ct), and (cx).

However, it is a class A misdemeanor (punishable by 9 months jail and/or $10,000 fine)
for anyone to go armed with a firearm while under the influence of an intoxicant.
Wis. Stat. § 941.20(1)(b). “Under the Influence has been defined as materially impairing
the ability to handle a firearm which is further explained as consuming an amount of
alcohol to cause the person to be less able to exercise clear judgment and steady hand
necessary to handle a firearm. WI Jury Instruction-CRIMINAL 1321

USE OF A WEAPON BY A PERSON HOLDING A CCW PERMIT

Does having a CCW license give me a greater right to defend myself or others than anyone else?

No. A CCW license does not give anyone any new or additional rights to exercise self
defense or defense of others as provided for by law.

 

[US Conservative]

I don't know which state you live in, but, if I were you, I'd recheck the laws of your state.

This is for Wisconsin;

Im fairly certain he put the effort in to follow the law. Things are quite different on a state by state basis.

 

[AJiveMan]

Im fairly certain he put the effort in to follow the law. Things are quite different on a state by state basis.

Isn't that what I alluded to? :doh

 

[Jerry]

Isn't that what I alluded to? :doh

No, it's not.

 

[US Conservative]

Isn't that what I alluded to? :doh

With the qualifier that he might be unfamiliar with the laws of his state. In general, CCW holders tend to be meticulous in this regard.

 

[AJiveMan]

No, it's not.

Okay jery, laws vary by state, be sure you know the laws of the state you reside in before you go around packing a pistol, how's that? satisfied now?

 

[US Conservative]

Okay jery, laws vary by state, be sure you know the laws of the state you reside in before you go around packing a pistol, how's that? satisfied now?

What does this bring to the discussion? The OP mentions that he is well familiar with the laws of his state.

 

[AJiveMan]

With the qualifier that he might be unfamiliar with the laws of his state. In general, CCW holders tend to be meticulous in this regard.

You might be surprised as to what people don't know about the laws in their state. It's always a good idea to double check and be sure.

 

[AJiveMan]

What does this bring to the discussion? The OP mentions that he is well familiar with the laws of his state.

I was responding to jery, okay?

I'm sure the op knows the laws of his state. :roll:

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Re: I walked into a bar with a gun today...

i have yet to encounter a situation where i would encounter a person with gun intent on killing me.

That's pretty obvious. Considering you've decided you absolutely don't need to be prepared for it, any person with any level of competency that has a gun would pretty much immediately be successful if he wanted you dead.

The fact that you're here is a testament to the world that no one has ever even tried to kill you.

 

[US Conservative]

I was responding to jery, okay?

I'm sure the op knows the laws of his state. :roll:

Post 178? Sounds like you were specifically referring to the OP.

 

[LaMidRighter]

Re: I walked into a bar with a gun today...

BS, you know he was referring to the act of robbery, context makes that clear. I think your parents are owed a refund on the property taxes they paid your school district.

Correct, if I meant theft in general or burglary I would have well stated it. I meant robbery specifically, which is the forcible theft of goods, often these involve injury or fatality, I used that specifically because I know of more than one case where an armed robbery of a firearms store was attempted and subsequently thwarted by either clerks or the POs that were regulars, a couple of incidents involved knife wielding assailants(dead) and a few involved a firearm wielding assailant(also dead).

 

[US Conservative]

Re: I walked into a bar with a gun today...

Correct, if I meant theft in general or burglary I would have well stated it. I meant robbery specifically, which is the forcible theft of goods, often these involve injury or fatality, I used that specifically because I know of more than one case where an armed robbery of a firearms store was attempted and subsequently thwarted by either clerks or the POs that were regulars, a couple of incidents involved knife wielding assailants(dead) and a few involved a firearm wielding assailant(also dead).

Irrational people commit irrational deeds, but I have to wonder about someone who decides its a good idea to rob a gun shop. Its like a carjacker who targets cops, what are they thinking. :doh

 

[Jerry]

Okay jery, laws vary by state, be sure you know the laws of the state you reside in before you go around packing a pistol, how's that? satisfied now?

I guess a lot of us just don't understand why you feel the need to point that out, seeing as how OP clearly does know the laws of his state (he's also a retired LEO):

A relatively new state law allows me to do so, with my CCW, as long as the restaurant/bar isn't posted and I don't drink.

AJiveMan, did you just not read the OP?

 

[US Conservative]

I guess a lot of us just don't understand why you feel the need to point that out, seeing as how OP clearly does know the laws of his state (he's also a retired LEO):

AJiveMan, did you just not read the OP?

I did not know he was a retired LEO. I have no doubt he knows what its like to make decisions with incomplete knowledge, and how bad things can get very quickly. I also know highly doubt he would make this kind of mistake with his own state and local laws.

 

[LaMidRighter]

Re: I walked into a bar with a gun today...

Irrational people commit irrational deeds, but I have to wonder about someone who decides its a good idea to rob a gun shop. Its like a carjacker who targets cops, what are they thinking. :doh

Exactly. There was a Darwin Award featuring such an individual in fact. The guy went to a leather and firearms store frequented by local P.D. officers, they went for coffee and to hang out, well, the winner walked past a marked cruiser, two off duty cops(putting them to his back) and drew on the clerk who also happened to be armed, he had two guns to his back, one to his front, and was flanked by other armed customers as well. Most people would have put the firearm down slowly, this guy opened fire and the clerk(took one in the shoulder), officers, and other patrons turned him into a human colander.

 

[AJiveMan]

I guess a lot of us just don't understand why you feel the need to point that out, seeing as how OP clearly does know the laws of his state (he's also a retired LEO):

AJiveMan, did you just not read the OP?

I'd like to know which state it is, and I'd like to read and interpret the law in that state myself.

I'll bet men feel like real men knowing they can carry guns into bars now. Lot's of men feel the need to take this country way back to the olden western days, when by carrying guns everywhere they went, it gave them power over other people and patrons of businesses. You know, real tough guys. Shoot 'em up stuff and all that hero "I'm going to save a life today, even if it's my own" - very good.

 

[Jerry]

I'd like to know which state it is, and I'd like to read and interpret the law in that state myself.

Under his avatar, Goshin marks his location as "Dixie", which is in Tennissee, who's gun laws can be read here: http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/tennessee.pdf, and if you would scroll down to the section titled "Places Off-Limits Even With A Permit/License" you will note that businesses licensed to dispense alcohol for on-premises consumption is no longer listed.

I'll bet men feel like real men knowing they can carry guns into bars now.

I think you're right, because a real man is ready to defend himself and his family, and now he can even while in a restraint which serves alcohol (which includes Chucky Cheese's, if you're prepared to call that place a bar with so many small children and video-games about).

Lot's of men feel the need to take this country way back to the olden western days, when by carrying guns everywhere they went, it gave them power over other people and patrons of businesses. You know, real tough guys. Shoot 'em up stuff and all that hero "I'm going to save a life today, even if it's my own" - very good.

The wild-west wasn't as wild as you think:

Dispelling the myth of 'The Wild West' - Minneapolis gun rights | Examiner.com


In his book, Frontier Violence: Another Look, author W. Eugene Hollon, provides us with these astonishing facts:

• 
  [*]In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year.
  [*]In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.
  

Zooming forward over a century to 2007, a quick look at Uniform Crime Report statistics shows us the following regarding the aforementioned gun control “paradise” cities of the east:

• DC – 183 Murders (31 per 100,000 residents)
• New York – 494 Murders (6 per 100,000 residents)
• Baltimore – 281 Murders (45 per 100,000 residents)
• Newark – 104 Murders (37 per 100,000 residents)

 

[AJiveMan]

Under his avatar, Goshin marks his location as "Dixie", which is in Tennissee, who's gun laws can be read here: http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/tennessee.pdf, and if you would scroll down to the section titled "Places Off-Limits Even With A Permit/License" you will note that businesses licensed to dispense alcohol for on-premises consumption is no longer listed.


I think you're right, because a real man is ready to defend himself and his family, and now he can even while in a restraint which serves alcohol (which includes Chucky Cheese's, if you're prepared to call that place a bar with so many small children and video-games about).


The wild-west wasn't as wild as you think:

Under his avatar, Goshin marks his location as "Dixie", which is in Tennissee, who's gun laws can be read here: http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/tennessee.pdf, and if you would scroll down to the section titled "Places Off-Limits Even With A Permit/License" you will note that businesses licensed to dispense alcohol for on-premises consumption is no longer listed.


I think you're right, because a real man is ready to defend himself and his family, and now he can even while in a restraint which serves alcohol (which includes Chucky Cheese's, if you're prepared to call that place a bar with so many small children and video-games about).


The wild-west wasn't as wild as you think:

Did you read the text in the link? just wondering...

You said something about Chuckeecheeses, :lamo how ironic, at the same time, guns are prohibited in these places,

TVA CAMPGROUNDS

Note: Day Use Areas, Campgrounds, and other developed recreational TVA lands are still off limits.

Campgrounds, kids, parents, pets, etc. etc., etc.,...

Wouldn't want to wound a bear, rabbit, person or pet in these areas;

Pursuant to the provisions of 16 U.S.C. Section 551, and Title 36 C.F.R. Section 261.50(a) and (b), the following acts
or omissions are prohibited on lands and waters within the legislative jurisdiction of the U.S.D.A. Forest Service, Land
Between the Lakes National Recreation Area. The area consists of over 170,000 acres of National Forest land located
in Trigg and Lyon County in Kentucky and Stewart County in Tennessee, and is depicted on the attached map.

1. Possession of firearms is prohibited except during legal firearms hunting seasons by licensed hunters and going to
and from the LBL-NRA firearms range. Firearms must be cased and unloaded during transport. 36 CFR 261.53(e)

2. Firearms possessed during legal hunting seasons by licensed hunters must be cased and unloaded (chamber and
magazine) while being transported in a motorized vehicle. 36 CFR 261.53(e)

I find it amazing that TN's laws really are so lax. I also find it amazing that TN has a provision for people to defend themselves with a firearm, whether they've been drinking alcohol or not. :shock:

 

[Jerry]

Did you read the text in the link? just wondering...

...on lands and waters within the legislative jurisdiction of the U.S.D.A. Forest Service...

I confess I haven't reviewed the hunting laws of TN since I've never hunted in TN, but I don't think this thread is about hunting anyway.

 

[AJiveMan]

I confess I haven't reviewed the hunting laws of TN since I've never hunted in TN, but I don't think this thread is about hunting anyway.

I'm drawing the conclusion that TN's guns laws are ridiculous. It is permitted to carry a firearm into restaurants, bars, other businesses, but not in campgrounds where wild animals, like bears might be present.

I'm not talkin' about hunting laws here, and you know it, I'm talkin' about the places where guns may and may not be carried.

 

[Jerry]

I'm drawing the conclusion that TN's guns laws are ridiculous. It is permitted to carry a firearm into restaurants, bars, other businesses, but not in campgrounds where wild animals, like bears might be present.

I'm not talkin' about hunting laws here, and you know it, I'm talkin' about the places where guns may and may not be carried.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/tennessee.pdf

(B) (1) The Provisions of Subsection (a) Shall Not Apply to the Following Persons:

(H) Persons possessing a handgun, who are authorized to carry the handgun pursuant to § 39-17-1351, while
within or on a public park, natural area, historic park, nature trail, campground, forest, greenway, waterway
or other similar public place that is owned or operated by the state, a county, a municipality or
instrumentality thereof, except as otherwise provided in subsection (d);

If you have a permit, no problem.

 

[Goshin]

I don't know which state you live in, but, if I were you, I'd recheck the laws of your state.

This is for Wisconsin;

I live in SC, the law was recently passed, with much media coverage. The Usual Suspects were saying 'bloodbath! ack!' and all that... and as usual there has been no such thing...