I respect Bill Ayers

[Lerxst]

Here's you defending him right here:

I very much respect what he has done with regard to turning his life around and using it as a mechanism for progress and good in his community.

You respect William Ayers, damn.

That's not defending him. That's saying I respect what he has done with regard to turning his life around.

Now, try again.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

It's only been explained on this forum about a dozen times. Maybe if you actually read the threads you post in you might find it. Keep playing your games though...it's at least mildly amusing to watch you bleat.

where? what post number?



watch,.


i posted the winning lottery numbers for todays drawing, maybe if you actually read the threads you might find it... . :roll:


Fact: the man is an unrepentant terrorist. how is this turning ones life around?


Fact: the man's group killed police officers, ayers said his group did not do enough. how can you as an leo type support this man over your leo brothers and sisters?

oh wait you have a pattern of this type of behavior. :roll:

 

[veganshawn]

where? what post number?



watch,.


i posted the winning lottery numbers for todays drawing, maybe if you actually read the threads you might find it... . :roll:


Fact: the man is an unrepentant terrorist. how is this turning ones life around?


Fact: the man's group killed police officers, ayers said his group did not do enough. how can you as an leo type support this man over your leo brothers and sisters?

oh wait you have a pattern of this type of behavior. :roll:

It has never been proven if his grouped killed any cops. The case as of a few years ago is unsolved.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

It has never been proven if his grouped killed any cops. The case as of a few years ago is unsolved.

excuse making for terrorists again?


Weatherman (organization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

 

[GottaHurt]

That's not defending him. That's saying I respect what he has done with regard to turning his life around.

That's defending him.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

That's defending him.

:lol: stop that! you with your obvious observations of common sense!

 

[Hatuey]

The only load is what you are full of.

How is the question loaded. please explain/

Do you respect the negative aspects of a man who beats his wife? What if he supports the troops? Do you respect that?

Also how has savage ayers reformed?

Community programs, children programs etc etc. Google is your eggroll.

and dont kid yourself tookie was a savage to the end.

And yet his books are recognized as a key step in helping kids stay out of gangs. Sucks for you. :shrug:.

"Williams refused to aid police investigations with any information against his gang, and was implicated in attacks on guards and other inmates as well as multiple escape plots.

I wouldn't snitch either. Life in jail is snitch and get hit.

In 1993, Williams began making changes in his behavior, and became an anti-gang activist while on Death Row in California. Although he continued to refuse to assist police in their gang investigations, he renounced his gang affiliation and apologized for the Crips' founding, while never admitting to the crimes for which he was convicted. He co-wrote children's books and participated in efforts intended to prevent youths from joining gangs.[1] A biographical TV-movie entitled Redemption: The Stan Tookie Williams Story was made in 2004, and featured Jamie Foxx as Williams."

Well thanks for proving the point that somebody can indeed reform. Same as before. I wouldn't help the police while in jail. Specially the notoriously crooked LAPD or their friends in the jail system. San Quentin is a rat dump btw. And I'm not talking about the inmates.

Stanley Williams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

good riddance to that savage. :2wave:

Thanks for proving that a person can indeed reform after you know. More then 10 years.

 

[Lerxst]

That's defending him.

You're an idiot. Defending him would be making excuses for his all his past actions. I have never done that. Not once. He was a terrorist, he was a criminal. He is now a former terrorist and criminal.

Respecting the fact that he has changed his life in a very meaningful and productive way doesn't mean I defend the man and all he has done. I was quite clear that I respected his change from his abhorrent behavior. He is a changed man based upon his actions for the last twenty years or so.

He has worked very hard for reform in the juvenile justice system (which is needed), he is a decorated educator, and championed urban school reform in Chicago. You or I may not agree with his views on social justice or education reform, but many do. His work has garnered him major accolades from the academic community and it's apparently well deserved from what I have read.

Does it mitigate what he did in the past? No. Not at all. But it does denote a radical change from the Bill Ayers of the 60's to the Bill Ayers of today. That kind of change and subsequent work is worthy of respect. He will always be Bill Ayers the former terrorist and criminal, just like he will be Bill Ayers the guy who changed his life and did good work for his community.

That said, he'll never be on my list of hero's. But I'll not dismiss his transformation and constantly condemn him for his actions thirty years ago. The only reason we are even discussing this man is because of the ignorant and spasmodic attempts by certain sects of the right to portray him as a threat to this country and a pal of Obama. Knock yourself out, your plan just might work. Although I doubt it.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Do you respect the negative aspects of a man who beats his wife? What if he supports the troops? Do you respect that?

This nonsense has nothing to do with anything I posted. Try again.

Community programs, children programs etc etc. Google is your eggroll.

nonsense is your eggroll. You have nothing but empty claims. You fail.

And yet his books are recognized as a key step in helping kids stay out of gangs. Sucks for you. :shrug:.

Really? Links, evidence, fbi gang reports....


So I take it you are a savage tookie sycophant as well as an obama sycophant?

I wouldn't snitch either. Life in jail is snitch and get hit.

The savage was isolated on death row. not "snitching" shows just how reformed he actually was.


Good riddance.

Well thanks for proving the point that somebody can indeed reform. Same as before. I wouldn't help the police while in jail. Specially the notoriously crooked LAPD or their friends in the jail system. San Quentin is a rat dump btw. And I'm not talking about the inmates.



Thanks for proving that a person can indeed reform after you know. More then 10 years.

Right its the police and the corrections officers that are the problem, not a murderous thug you worship.


Good riddance. Tookie is much better at room tempurature.

 

[Lerxst]

:lol: stop that! you with your obvious observations of common sense!

You should stop with your obvious hatred of common sense. You are so played out it's embarrassing. I liked you better when you referred to yourself in the third person in every other sentence.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

You should stop with your obvious hatred of common sense. You are so played out it's embarrassing. I liked you better when you referred to yourself in the third person in every other sentence.

You should stop with your obvious hatred of anyone right of you. The Good Reverend liked you better when you didn't put your politics before your brothers and sisters.


:2wave:

 

[Lerxst]

You should stop with your obvious hatred of anyone right of you. The Good Reverend liked you better when you didn't put your politics before your brothers and sisters.


:2wave:

Very cheap. I agree with many people on the right, just not when they are being blatantly dishonest and manipulative. I don't care what side you are on.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Very cheap. I agree with many people on the right, just not when they are being blatantly dishonest and manipulative. I don't care what side you are on.

Call it what you will. It is my observation, even in conversations with me. You changed brother, and not for the better.

2 examples.

1. Ayers was part of a group that killed police officers and set of bombs in police stations. You defend Ayers.

2. When one Vet was attacked by another who at the time was not acting like a vet you sided with the poseur.


And thats just off the top of my head.


But this is not the appropriate forum for this. If you want to continue it, you know where to find me...

Somewhere south of heaven.



Oh and if you do, Show me the last right winger you agreed with on a political topic. :roll:

 

[Hatuey]

This nonsense has nothing to do with anything I posted. Try again.

Of course it does. Man A beats his wife. Man A also supports the troops. Do you have to respect the fact that he beats his wife if you respect the fact that he supports the troops? No.

nonsense is your eggroll. You have nothing but empty claims. You fail.

Bill Ayers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ayers hosted "a coffee" for "Mr. Obama's first run for office."[42] The two served on the board of a community anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 2000 and 2002, during which time the board met twelve times.[42] In April 2001, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate.

Ayers worked with Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley in shaping the city's school reform program,[36]and was one of three co-authors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge grant proposal that in 1995 won $49.2 million over five years for public school reform.[37] In 1997 Chicago awarded him its Citizen of the Year award for his work on the project.[38] Since 1999 he has served on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago, an anti-poverty, philanthropic foundation established as the Woods Charitable Fund in 1941.[39]According to Ayers, his radical past occasionally affects him, as when, by his account, he was asked not to attend a progressive educators' conference in the fall of 2006 on the basis that the organizers did not want to risk an association with his past.[40]

Google is your eggroll.

Really? Links, evidence, fbi gang reports....

http://www.tookie.com/tookie_fact_sheet_10.18.05.pdf

His work has resulted in multiple nominations for the Nobel Peace and Literature prizes. This summer Stan’s
work was even recognized by the President of the United States when he received a presidential award for his
volunteer work to help youth. Stan’s story was also recently made into a television movie, “Redemption: The Stan
Tookie Williams Story,” starring Academy Award winner Jamie Foxx. The movie was honored by the Sundance and
Cannes Film Festivals, and was nominated for a Golden Globe and other prestigious awards.

So I take it you are a savage tookie sycophant as well as an obama sycophant?

Awww still trying to? Ad hom.

The savage was isolated on death row. not "snitching" shows just how reformed he actually was.

Good riddance.

Right its the police and the corrections officers that are the problem, not a murderous thug you worship.


Good riddance. Tookie is much better at room tempurature.

Stanley Williams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1997, Williams wrote and posted on his website an apology for his role in creating the Crips. In 2004, he helped broker a peace agreement, called the Tookie Protocol For Peace, for what had been one of the deadliest and most infamous gang wars in the country, between the Bloods and the Crips, in both the state of California and the city of Newark, New Jersey. On the nomination of William A. Harrison, a minister from West Monroe, Louisiana, Williams received a letter from U.S. President George W. Bush commending him for his social activism, one of some 267,000 "Call To Service Awards" that were sent out.

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[winston53660]

2 examples.

1. Ayers was part of a group that killed police officers and set of bombs in police stations. You defend Ayers.

:

Hey guess what you are a part of the same group as Ayers, being an American citizen just like he is. You must be a terrorist.

/sarcasm.

 

[Hatuey]

1. Ayers was part of a group that killed police officers and set of bombs in police stations. You defend Ayers.

Weatherman (organization) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The group was investigated for a bombing that took place on February 16, 1970, in which a pipe bomb filled with shrapnel detonated on the ledge of a window at the Park Station of the San Francisco Police Department. Brian V. McDonnell, a police sergeant, was fatally wounded in the explosion, and Robert Fogarty, another police officer, was severely wounded in his face and legs and was partially blinded.[14] The Weathermen, along with the Black Panther Party were initially investigated for the murder, which was never solved. An investigation was reopened in 1999,[15] and a San Francisco grand jury looked into the incident, but no indictments followed.[16][15]

Only one I could find. And it was never solved. Where are the other ones?

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Of course it does. Man A beats his wife. Man A also supports the troops. Do you have to respect the fact that he beats his wife if you respect the fact that he supports the troops? No.

So you still on with this now strawman.....

Bill Ayers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And look at chicago schools today. What a roaring succsess! :roll:


50% failure rate. GREAT JOB!

Consortium on Chicago School Research

Those 12 meetings must have been REAL productive.



Oh and:

Noblesse Oblige Barack Obama and William Ayers: Monumental Failure

Google is your eggroll.





http://www.tookie.com/tookie_fact_sheet_10.18.05.pdf

Awsome, and should I go to a NAMBLA website to find out if Pedophilia is harmful to childeren...

savage tookie's website? REally. thats weak.

Awww still trying to? Ad hom.

Didn't you keep posting "cry" to me when you were all ad homin me? :lol: This is not an ad hom against you. It is fact. You are an obama sycophant. Blindly following him right into the abyss.

Stanley Williams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



0wn3d By Bu5h

Bush was an idiot for doing this to this savage.


Own3d by your own post.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Weatherman (organization) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Only one I could find. And it was never solved. Where are the other ones?

Awsome defense of terrorists. Good job!

 

[shuamort]

Weatherman (organization) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Only one I could find. And it was never solved. Where are the other ones?

You'll only confuse him with facts because facts=supporting terrorism. Do you really wanna make the baby Jesus cry?

 

[shuamort]

Awsome defense of terrorists. Good job!

The funny thing is, I was joking about my post while I was typing it. After I submitted it and found that you wrote that....well, that's creepy.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Hey guess what you are a part of the same group as Ayers, being an American citizen just like he is. You must be a terrorist.

/sarcasm.

Now we have gone from silly logic to stupid logic. Thanks for this.

 

[Hatuey]

So you still on with this now strawman.....

...What STRAWMAN? Do you know what a strawman is? I explained why your question was loaded through an example. You(editorial) can respect aspects or a person without respecting their negative aspects.

And look at chicago schools today. What a roaring succsess! :roll:

Favelas are a social failure. Does that mean the people working in them to improve the conditions aren't trying? Or that programs don't exist to improve them? Of course not.

50% failure rate. GREAT JOB!

Consortium on Chicago School Research

Those 12 meetings must have been REAL productive.

Oh so your attacks of baseless claim have been proven untrue and Ayers is indeed working to improve the community. Well I guess that debate is over.

Oh and:

Noblesse Oblige Barack Obama and William Ayers: Monumental Failure

KK so you can't show how Ayers isn't working to improve his community? Noted.

Awsome, and should I go to a NAMBLA website to find out if Pedophilia is harmful to childeren...

Two different sources.

savage tookie's website? REally. thats weak.

KK - two different sources.

Didn't you keep posting "cry" to me when you were all ad homin me? :lol: This is not an ad hom against you. It is fact. You are an obama sycophant. Blindly following him right into the abyss.

KK Still trying? Awww. Sowwie.

Bush was an idiot for doing this to this savage.

Take it up with him. You asked for evidence that his work was recognized. It was provided. Anything else? Or are you going to keep on trying to come up with something relevant to say?

Own3d by your own post.

You need to learn how to use that.

 

[Hatuey]

Awsome defense of terrorists. Good job!

So wait if a person isn't proven to be the one responsible for A they are responsible of act A? You're funny. Can you prove the Weathermen did it?

 

[Mach]

Weatherman Underground
Weatherman (organization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Maybe people need to read up on it before they attempt to answer a poll?

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

...What STRAWMAN? Do you know what a strawman is? I explained why your question was loaded through an example. You(editorial) can respect aspects or a person without respecting their negative aspects.

So tell me what do you respect about Osama bin laden, And does that mean you respect him as my poll asked regarding Obama's terrorist pal.

Favelas are a social failure. Does that mean the people working in them to improve the conditions aren't trying? Or that programs don't exist to improve them? Of course not.

Oh so its the liberal mantra of "good intentions are all that matter"...


Sorry man, I look at results.

Oh so your attacks of baseless claim have been proven untrue and Ayers is indeed working to improve the community. Well I guess that debate is over.

The debate was long over after you failed to deliver on your first post.

KK so you can't show how Ayers isn't working to improve his community? Noted.

Prove a negative now?

Two different sources.



KK - two different sources.



KK Still trying? Awww. Sowwie.

non-responsive nonsense.

Take it up with him. You asked for evidence that his work was recognized. It was provided. Anything else? Or are you going to keep on trying to come up with something relevant to say?

So in one breath you cackle and bitch about ad homs, then you engage in one the next. Hypocrite much? :roll:

You need to learn how to use that.

Sorry, I am an adult. I guess I need to ask a 5 year old how to properly use that puerile vernacular. :roll: