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I respect Bill Ayers

I respect Bill Ayers

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EgoffTib said:
You're only continuing to prove my point and prove that you can't answer Hatuey's question.
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Fallacy Pigeonholing. Fail.


It is more likley than not that they engaged in this behavior. They bombed other police stations...


Would you prefer "attempted murder" of police officers.


Would that make you more warm and fuzzy about this savage you defend?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Fallacy Pigeonholing. Fail.


It is more likley than not that they engaged in this behavior. They bombed other police stations...


Would you prefer "attempted murder" of police officers.


Would that make you more warm and fuzzy about this savage you defend?
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So then you're making an assumption. Got it.
 
Still waiting....
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So you respect Bill Ayers the unrepentant terrorist former fugitive bomber? gotcha
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Stinger, Please stop. You can't prove the Weathermen were responsible for the attack on the police officers. You can't seem to understand that you can respect aspects of somebody's life while not respecting everything they do. I don't respect the fact Keith Richards is a adulterer however I do respect the fact that he's a great musician. You can't seem to be able to distinguish that not everything is black and white.
 
Hatuey said:
Stinger, Please stop. You can't prove the Weathermen were responsible for the attack on the police officers. You can't seem to understand that you can respect aspects of somebody's life while not respecting everything they do. I don't respect the fact Keith Richards is a adulterer however I do respect the fact that he's a great musician. You can't seem to be able to distinguish that not everything is black and white.
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Joe Hill please stop. Your defense of a terrorist because you are an obama sycophant demonstrates your penchant for disregarding common sense.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Joe Hill please stop. Your defense of a terrorist because you are an obama sycophant demonstrates your penchant for disregarding common sense.
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Again, avoiding the entire post. You can respect somethings about someone and not other things. Apparently his point is lost on you. Oh well.
 
EgoffTib said:
Again, avoiding the entire post. You can respect somethings about someone and not other things. Apparently his point is lost on you. Oh well.
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Of course it is. Logic isn't his strong suit. I'm done though. Some people see in black and white. I mean I admire Malcom X. Ignoring the fact that he advocated under any means necessary I think he was a great man. Does that mean I advocate running through the streets with AK47 demanding 40 acres and a mule? No.
 
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Hatuey said:
Of course it is. Logic isn't his strong suit. I'm done though. Some people see in black and white. I mean I admire Malcom X. Ignoring the fact that he advocated under any means necessary I think he was a great man. Does that mean I advocate running through the streets with AK47 demanding 40 acres and a mule? No.
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In similar vein, I respect Hitler. He took an economically disparaged country and turned them into a superpower again in a decade. Does that mean I supported the Holocaust? Nope. Does that mean I agree with all of his actions? Nope.
 
EgoffTib said:
In similar vein, I respect Hitler. He took an economically disparaged country and turned them into a superpower again in a decade. Does that mean I supported the Holocaust? Nope. Does that mean I agree with all of his actions? Nope.
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It's the same silly neo-con attitude we've heard for the last 8 years. I mean, I don't respect the fact that McCain left his injured wife to go screw some rich blond. I do respect his service to this country. However neo-cons think differently. If you even show a sign of gray instead of black and white. You support black or white. There is nothing in between. Not a drop of centrism.
 
Hatuey said:
It's the same silly neo-con attitude we've heard for the last 8 years. I mean, I don't respect the fact that McCain left his injured wife to go screw some rich blond. I do respect his service to this country. However neo-cons think differently. If you even show a sign of gray instead of black and white. You support black or white. There is nothing in between. Not a drop of centrism.
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Who is a neo-con?


I love it when the lunatic fringe does this....

Neo-cons are kinda liberal.


I don't do socialism. Care to try again, or is hurling the neo-con insult about the best we can expect from you and your ilk.


Aren't you leaving or something?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Joe Hill please stop. Your defense of a terrorist because you are an obama sycophant demonstrates your penchant for disregarding common sense.
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What are you writing about...terrorists...
the U.S. was founded ON terrorism, violent treasonous revolution.
You aware aware that the U.S. military uses terrorism, violence/fear to further its agenda, usually political in nature. Right?

Labeling people as terrorists is absurd and pointless. You look at why people do what they do, their intent, and what they did.

Many people do things that break laws, that are good things. Many people also do bad things, that also break laws.

And presidents pardon such criminals on both sides. Reagan pardoned some of the criminals who were using TERRORISM against U.S. CITIZENS, part of the reason why WU was OK with the same. We don't see you jumping up and down about it because you're being partisan, not rational.

-Mach
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
For what punchy? :lol:
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Why David Horowitz is a good guy just because he sold out his views and turned coat, or Eldridge Cleaver, who was another turn coat, are they good guys because they bought into right wing BS and repentant for their "sins".
 
Sad that there are so many who are so blindly partisan that they would defend a bunch of terrorists who attacked the US.

It's no wonder why the public forces those on the left to continually prove their patriotism. It is assumed they hate America until proven otherwise.
 
Panther said:
Sad that there are so many who are so blindly partisan that they would defend a bunch of terrorists who attacked the US.

It's no wonder why the public forces those on the left to continually prove their patriotism. It is assumed they hate America until proven otherwise.
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Well I'm not a Democrat and I'm voting for Obama.. so much for partisan?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Call it what you will. It is my observation, even in conversations with me. You changed brother, and not for the better.
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It's true, I am being affected by the hyper partisanship on this board. And not in a good way. The constant immersion in this fear mongering and ignorant vilification of Obama just irritates the **** out of me.

2 examples.

1. Ayers was part of a group that killed police officers and set of bombs in police stations. You defend Ayers.
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Ayers never killed anyone. Your whole case is built upon speculation that he was directly involved. It's never been proven by you or anyone else. And it never will be. I don't care what your opinion is, I want you to back up your claim. And that is my problem. You see, after a decade and a half of having to seal up my cases with evidence, instructing other cops about what actually constitutes evidence, I have a pretty good understanding of what evidence is. So far, you are lacking.

2. When one Vet was attacked by another who at the time was not acting like a vet you sided with the poseur.
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Because you dishonestly attacked his service. You have it in your head that you beat him, that you proved him wrong because you called him out and he refused to play along. You proved nothing, other than you can engage in internet dick measuring contests.

Evidence. Of any kind. That would help. I still don't believe you on this issue because you never proved squat.

Oh and if you do, Show me the last right winger you agreed with on a political topic. :roll:
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I have agreed with jallman, WI Crip, MC, RNYC, Galen, Felicity, even you sometimes. I never said I agree all the time. I do however agree some of the time. If I agreed all the time, well then I'd be a right winger.
 
Panther said:
Sad that there are so many who are so blindly partisan that they would defend a bunch of terrorists who attacked the US.

It's no wonder why the public forces those on the left to continually prove their patriotism. It is assumed they hate America until proven otherwise.
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It's sad that you actually think this way. Sad, but true.

Keep twisting and spinning though. It's all you have left.
 
EgoffTib said:
I noticed :mrgreen:

Also amusing that Panther of all people comes in here and whines about partisanship... :rofl
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I know, I was like "pot, kettle...kettle, pot."

:mrgreen:
 
Panther said:
Sad that there are so many who are so blindly partisan that they would defend a bunch of terrorists who attacked the US.

It's no wonder why the public forces those on the left to continually prove their patriotism. It is assumed they hate America until proven otherwise.
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Partisan? It has nothing to do with politics, it's common sense.

You specifically demonstrate your blindness when you claim that no terrorist act is defensible. You are blind to the fact that the U.S. was founded on treason/terrorism/violence, and that most of our military actions in other countries are terrorism against certain groups. The U.S. uses terrorism just as it uses torture, then some fools jump up and down and claim it's bad, then turn around and support it.

You defend them just by supporting the U.S. Likewise, we all want our guns so we can overthrow the government when needed, but the second someone uses those guns to comabt government violence specifically for the reason you defend having guns, you scream foul. It's mind boggling.

You really don't see the issue you have here? And patrotism? Anyone who supports every action any government takes is BLIND, and can't be ethical, or trusted. Governments are formed from people with power, and if you support them in whatever they do, you support literally terroism, crimes, murders, etc.

If you cannot accept that every individual, including governments made of individuals, do good things that should be supported, and bad things that should not, you are not useful IMO, except as a tool.

-Mach
 
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