I refuse to vote for Mitt Romney

[Ockham]

He was a low life womanizer whose primary claim to fame was being murdered in office.

Ouch.... that was a tough criticism!

 

[Misterveritis]

Yeah, then maybe we can get conservatives to understand that effective tax rates apply to both individuals AND corporations. That always seems like a bridge too far for the conservative mind to cross.

I do not understand your statement. I may be missing your context.

 

[presluc]

Wonder when liberals like you will realize that spending is the problem not the revenue but since revenue is a problem in your world don't you think Obama should be doing a better job creating an atmosphere that puts 24 plus million unemployed/under employed Americans back to work full time or they could have eliminated loopholes when they had total control of the Congress including a filibuster proof Senate. It is always easier to blame someone else, isn't it?

Also as has been pointed out GE pays very little in Taxes yet GE CEO's is head of Obama's jobs committee. You keep buying what you are told by the leftwing of the Democratic Party. They love having people like you supporting them and buying their rhetoric.

I find it strange that the right wing always supports big business and big corporations who do not hire American people.
However expect more of the American people to pay more taxes without having more jobs.
Real Estate, American auto sales are controled by the consumers of America, but to become a consumer an American must have a job.

If in fact you have 50,000 jobs and 100,000 Americans ...WELL YOU GOT A PROBLEM.eace

 

[Conservative]

A bidge too far indeed.eace

Doesn't it bother you that there are so many worried about how much revenue is going to the govt. instead of worrying about how that money is spent? How much income taxes do you believe the unemployed and under employed are paying? In November that number was 24 million. Imagine what the revenue would be if those people were working.

 

[AdamT]

I do not understand your statement. I may be missing your context.

Okay, I'll put it incontext. When liberals point out that the top marginal rate used to be in the 90s, conservatives immediately argue that the top *marginal* rate was much lower. But the same people will turn around and claim that the U.S. has one of the highest statutory corporate tax rates, and fail to mention that we have one of the lowest *effective* corporate tax rates in the industrialized world.

 

[Misterveritis]

Okay, I'll put it incontext. When liberals point out that the top marginal rate used to be in the 90s, conservatives immediately argue that the top *marginal* rate was much lower. But the same people will turn around and claim that the U.S. has one of the highest statutory corporate tax rates, and fail to mention that we have one of the lowest *effective* corporate tax rates in the industrialized world.

I understand. I would only correct one phrase. " When liberals point out that the top marginal rate used to be in the 90s, conservatives immediately argue that the effective rate was much lower.

Good point about the corporate tax rate. I have a slightly different take on it. I think it should be zero. Corporations don't pay the tax anyway. They just collect it from customers on behalf of the nation. I do not think that businesses should be tax collectors.

 

[AdamT]

I understand. I would only correct one phrase. " When liberals point out that the top marginal rate used to be in the 90s, conservatives immediately argue that the effective rate was much lower.

Good point about the corporate tax rate. I have a slightly different take on it. I think it should be zero. Corporations don't pay the tax anyway. They just collect it from customers on behalf of the nation. I do not think that businesses should be tax collectors.

I really don't have a problem with zero corporate tax rates. Just understand that personal tax rates will rise accordingly.

 

[Zyphlin]

So to recap. If a Republican who does not win the primaries, say the number two, three or maybe even fourth place candidate becomes a third party candidate then it hurts the chances of the Republican candidate. This is what I believe. Do you agree?

Yep. It definitely hurts the Republican candidate as its safe to guess that some of the votes that would go to that person wouldn't have been individuals who would've not voted or would've voted for some other party if that person didn't run.

 

[hazlnut]

He was a low life womanizer whose primary claim to fame was being murdered in office.

Wow, what grasp you have on history...

 

[TurtleDude]

I don't know why I thought you might have posted a non flame-baiting not so ignorant post. Shame on me for having momentarily thought you might have content instead of name-calling.

sorry if the truth bothers you but Nader is a nut case and most of America thinks his positions on many issues are whacky. If kerry had adopted all of Nader's positions so as to cause Nader to drop out (and assuming Kerry would have still won the DNC ) He would have ended up getting shellacked in the general election. Sure, a lot of dem bots would have voted Dem no matter what kerry said but he would have been destroyed by bush (wait, he was destroyed by Bush) even worse

 

[TurtleDude]

Back when being Republican meant you actually stood for something important, like ending slavery.

Back when Republicans were progressive, forward-thinking, and open minded.

the current left is reactionary, parasitic statists. MORE TAXES on the RICH, MORE GOVERNMENT regulation is hardly progress, forward thinking or open minded

wanting more freedom and more independence from government is certainly more forward thinking than your party's race towards serfdom

 

[hazlnut]

the current left is reactionary, parasitic statists. MORE TAXES on the RICH, MORE GOVERNMENT regulation is hardly progress, forward thinking or open minded

wanting more freedom and more independence from government is certainly more forward thinking than your party's race towards serfdom

I'm an independent.

Give me a GOP candidate who doesn't bow down to the Christian-far-right and I'll give him a look.

 

[poweRob]

I'm an independent.

Give me a GOP candidate who doesn't bow down to the Christian-far-right and I'll give him a look.

I can't believe you actually took time to respond to that drivel.

 

[winston53660]

the current left is reactionary, parasitic statists. MORE TAXES on the RICH, MORE GOVERNMENT regulation is hardly progress, forward thinking or open minded

wanting more freedom and more independence from government is certainly more forward thinking than your party's race towards serfdom

Oh what a load load of stinkin' ****.

It is the right that increases tax burdens on the majority as well as more government control.

 

[TurtleDude]

Oh what a load load of stinkin' ****.

It is the right that increases tax burdens on the majority as well as more government control.

really? so which party destroyed the tenth amendment? The dems
Which party expanded the commerce clause so as to allow the war on drugs-the Dems
Which party put in the income tax-the dems
which party has passed every gun control bill on the federal level-the dems

 

[TurtleDude]

I can't believe you actually took time to respond to that drivel.

the drivel wasn't in my post

 

[winston53660]

really? so which party destroyed the tenth amendment? The dems
Which party expanded the commerce clause so as to allow the war on drugs-the Dems
Which party put in the income tax-the dems
which party has passed every gun control bill on the federal level-the dems

Pardon me but you mean Nixon was a Democrat?

The Drug Enforcement Administration was created by President Richard Nixon through an Executive Order in July 1973 in order to establish a single unified command to combat "an all-out global war on the drug menace." At its outset, DEA had 1,470 Special Agents and a budget of less than $75 million. Today, the DEA has nearly 5,000 Special Agents and a budget of $2.02 billion.

DEA History

 

[haymarket]

the current left is reactionary, parasitic statists. MORE TAXES on the RICH, MORE GOVERNMENT regulation is hardly progress, forward thinking or open minded

wanting more freedom and more independence from government is certainly more forward thinking than your party's race towards serfdom

Since when is turning the nation back to 1876 and the Gilded Age a move forward?

 

[AdamT]

Pardon me but you mean Nixon was a Democrat?

The Drug Enforcement Administration was created by President Richard Nixon through an Executive Order in July 1973 in order to establish a single unified command to combat "an all-out global war on the drug menace." At its outset, DEA had 1,470 Special Agents and a budget of less than $75 million. Today, the DEA has nearly 5,000 Special Agents and a budget of $2.02 billion.

DEA History

Speaking of big government, regulate-the-**** out of business Republicans, Nixon also created the eeeevil EPA, OSHA, and instituted the first federal affirmative action program. He also proposed health care reform that was quite similar to Obamacare. And let's not forget his uber-socialistic price controls! George W. Bush created more bureaucracy than any President since Nixon.

 

[TurtleDude]

Pardon me but you mean Nixon was a Democrat?

The Drug Enforcement Administration was created by President Richard Nixon through an Executive Order in July 1973 in order to establish a single unified command to combat "an all-out global war on the drug menace." At its outset, DEA had 1,470 Special Agents and a budget of less than $75 million. Today, the DEA has nearly 5,000 Special Agents and a budget of $2.02 billion.

DEA History

all legal because of the FDR court's expansion of the COMMERCE clause. NO WICKARD NO DEA

 

[TurtleDude]

Since when is turning the nation back to 1876 and the Gilded Age a move forward?

Only a committed lefty thinks freedom is archaic

 

[AdamT]

Only a committed lefty thinks freedom is archaic

Only someone who should be committed thinks that free markets can function without regulation.

 

[Misterveritis]

I really don't have a problem with zero corporate tax rates. Just understand that personal tax rates will rise accordingly.

Or maybe, just maybe, we could reduce government spending.

 

[Misterveritis]

Wow, what grasp you have on history...

I know. I actually read. What a concept.

 

[Misterveritis]

I'm an independent.

Give me a GOP candidate who doesn't bow down to the Christian-far-right and I'll give him a look.

Who are the Christian far right?

Or do you just mean non-communist, non-socialist Christians?