I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms.

[calamity]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Heres something I have seen on facebook, on websites, on message boards and even in an email, though the email was mocking how dumb it was. (And to be fair so were the majority of comments on all those places) It makes me laugh that people think THIS is a logical argument.

"Scenario:
Your 12 year old daughter goes to the bathroom at the restaurant by herself. Your daughter doesn't return for a bit and you go to check on her and hear her crying in a bathroom stall. She runs to you and says a man just touched her privates. You call the police and they come to investigate. Just outside the bathroom is security cameras that records everyone coming and going from the Restrooms.
(Cameras aren't allowed inside the bathrooms) duh!! Your daughter enters the bathroom and just behind her enters what according to the camera appears to be a man. The man is identified later in the investigation and is interviewed by police but says he is transgender and he was just using the bathroom and the little girl is lying.
If people of both sexes are able to enter the bathroom of their choice the little girls statement holds no credibility. "Her word against his"
Now with the "Bathroom Law" in place, preventing a person of the opposite biological sex from entering the bathroom of their choice the little girls statement is credible and the offender has to explain why he entered a women's restroom when knowing it was against the law. This is maybe the evidence that helps convict the defendant or maybe the only evidence.
Now does this help the liberals understand!!!!!!
It's not about discrimination folks.
PLEASE SHARE EVERYONE"

This is beyond mentally retarded and isn't even a good scare tacit . . . here's a question . . . what it the person who touched the 12yr old girl that you chose to send to the restroom by themselves was a woman? oooooooops
If this is a real concern for you it should ALWAYS be a concern for you and don't let your kid go by themselves then.

If somebody would do that, they are a criminal period. .. their gender nor does their sexual orientation matter. . . .just like their race and religion 'matter, good grief I love how dumb these people are. Also love how who ever wrote this tried to make it about liberals . . news flash, many republicans and conservatives don't judge people based on sexual orientation or gender and are fine with transgenders using the facilities they are transitioned too.

Im glad at most the places I saw this people were mocking it and pointing out how dumb it is.

I love how stupid it is to determine gender by what is between the ears instead of between the legs. :roll:

 

[maquiscat]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Perverts like that wouldn't follow the ****ing law regardless.

Which is the better argument. But trying to argue about whether trans are molesting or not is a red herring to the argument.

 

[Socrates1]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Uh, everybody's obsessed with sex, my friend.

Right , we don't have to introduce our self with "I'm gay" to every stranger on earth ! :lamo

 

[Ntharotep]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

I've seen this said a lot in this thread. Got any proof of that? I know you can't just be talking about transgender's since there's only around 700,000 of them in the US.

I had to take my 2 year old into a men's restroom because the place I was at didn't have family restrooms. Luckily, it DID have a changing table in the men's room though I learned to do without those too if necessary.

Back in the day"" I went to a few or more SCA events with friends (dress up n medieval garb, make your own armor, all that mess) and the grounds these events were held on had unisex bathrooms. I was aware of my surroundings but beyond that it didn't phase me that men and women were using the same bathroom. There was even a joke with another SCA member who came in to the stall next to me because of my height, probably, who said "Don't peek now." to which I said "I won't if you don't" to which we laughed a bit then went about our business.

In 2004 my family and I "ran from" the three hurricanes that decided to come visit Florida. On the way back, roads were packed, facilities were packed, it was just miserable (a 9 hour drive back from the Carolinas was a 13 hour drive because of the situation). And whenever we stopped, everyone was using whatever facility had space because there were a lot of people on the road who just had to go and it didn't matter what sex used what bathroom.

Those are a few of my experiences and I doubt I'm the only one with such examples.

Lib's are obsessed with perv's and sex , stay home and use your own bathroom ! :shock: PC gone too far . :roll:

Ahhh. So now you would love to have legislature where only Conservatives (I am guessing only Republicans really) are allowed to use public facilities. That's not fascist at all.
*For the sarcastically impaired

 

[TheGoverness]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Right , we don't have to introduce our self with "I'm gay" to every stranger on earth ! :lamo

Um...okay?

 

[Fishking]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Because private establishments and citizens in private establishments were occasionally harassing people based on the restroom they were using and the way they looked. Some of these people weren't even transgender.

Then leave, don't patronize their establishment, and spread the word about how sucky they are. But if you then go off and try to use governmental force don't be surprised if it then comes back to bite you in the ass. If you use government to enforce morality that doesn't harm anyone else then you may find out that others have a different set of morals and make laws opposite of what you believe.

 

[roguenuke]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Then leave, don't patronize their establishment, and spread the word about how sucky they are. But if you then go off and try to use governmental force don't be surprised if it then comes back to bite you in the ass. If you use government to enforce morality that doesn't harm anyone else then you may find out that others have a different set of morals and make laws opposite of what you believe.

The government is charging people with trespassing for using the restrooms. The government is charging people with crimes for doing this, that is part of the problem.

 

[roguenuke]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Right , we don't have to introduce our self with "I'm gay" to every stranger on earth ! :lamo

How dramatic can you get? I have never had anyone introduce themselves to me with "I'm gay". Hell I didn't know one of the guys I went through nuke school with, even was at parties with, was gay for over a year and a half. Pretty sure this is a not what normally happens and very few people have ever actually did this to you or anyone else.

 

[Fishking]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

The government is charging people with trespassing for using the restrooms. The government is charging people with crimes for doing this, that is part of the problem.

False, the government doesn't charge anyone. That is the responsibility of the place of business. If they don't charge, then it doesn't happen.

 

[Henrin]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

if you are making a law against transgenders that can easily be argued to be unequal. You opinion of equality as a non-start is meaningless just like it was with gay rights.

Do people have a right to use a certain bathroom? In terms of scientific fact are MTF's in fact women? How exactly is it wrong to tell them they can't use the woman's bathroom when they are in fact not women?

 

[roguenuke]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

False, the government doesn't charge anyone. That is the responsibility of the place of business. If they don't charge, then it doesn't happen.

The person is charged with trespassing through the government if they return to the store. The ban has to be enforced. And a business couldn't simply do this to someone of a certain race.

On top of that, trespass isn't the only charge thats been used. The police have used various laws to arrest people for being in the wrong restroom.

http://www.dallasvoice.com/watch-transgender-woman-arrested-entering-mens-bathroom-houston-library-1053384.html

And then there is the law like this one here in my city (which is interesting since so few places in the US actually have such laws) that actually does make it a crime to enter the restroom of the opposite sex (I've broken a law, who knew). It hasn't really been enforced most of the time though (although there was at least one case in 2010).

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/counties/wake-county/raleigh-report-blog/article69440507.html

 

[finebead]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Perverts like that wouldn't follow the ****ing law regardless.

Yes, when transgendered women (men transitioning to women) are outlawed in bathrooms, only outlawed women (male pervs posing as women) will molest your young women.

Bathroom laws are totally ineffective. Pervert males have posed as women to photograph women in the bathroom and otherwise assault them, and these bathroom laws only penalize the legitimate law abiding people with a diagnosed medical condition. The outlaws can always continue to dress as a woman and go in and do evil.

Bottom line, this is just about hate. It is this small minded hatred that turns the independents against the repubs who are pushing this nonsense, instead of trying to help all people move forward with their lives. THis is just about religious bigots who are opposed to believing that transgender individuals are "OK", rather they want to judge them.

Searches show there never has been a problem with transgender people using the bathroom of the sex they identify as:

We asked the N.C. GOP if they could point to anything that backs up the safety fears. They provided a link to a news story in Seattle from earlier this year, about a man who had twice gone into a women’s locker room and began undressing. Seattle does allow transgender people to use the bathroom of the gender they identify as.

The man didn’t identify as transgender and didn’t appear to present as a woman, the story said. No one called the police, and the man wasn’t charged with any crime. Follow-up stories described the incident as a stunt, perhaps politically motivated.

The liberal group Media Matters For America has studied the bathroom issue for several years, largely under the guidance of Carlos Maza.

Maza, a Wake Forest University graduate, tweeted after North Carolina’s new law passed that “A man has never used an LGBT non-discrimination law to sneak into a bathroom.”

Maza has also polled public school systems that allow transgender students to use the bathroom of the gender they identify as. In a June 2015 article, he wrote that in 17 districts with a total of 600,000 students, officials hadn’t reported a single incident of “harassment or inappropriate behavior” related to transgender students and bathrooms.

But we still weren’t satisfied, so we kept digging, looking for examples of proven criminal behavior. We were likewise unable to find any examples in the United States, though we did find a case in Canada.

In that case, Christopher Hambrook posed as a woman to gain entry to women’s shelters, where he attacked several people before being caught. Hambrook was sentenced to an “indefinite” jail term in 2014 that could lead to his spending the rest of his life in prison.

Hambrook committed the crimes in Toronto, which has an ordinance protecting transgender people. That appears to be the first, and so far only, incident of its kind in North America.

After spending hours combing through conservative blogs and family values websites dedicated to news about transgender bathroom ordinances, we were able to confirm three cases in the United States in the last 17 years in which a biological male was convicted of a crime that involved him in a women’s bathroom or locker room and dressed as a woman.

It’s unclear if any of the three identified as transgender women, but none of those cases happened in cities where it would have been legal for a transgender woman to use the women’s room anyway. And none involved sexual assault or rape.

Read more here: PolitiFact NC: Virtually no cases of sexual predators benefiting from transgender anti-discrimination laws | The Charlotte Observer

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

1.) so?
and many people see woman as stupid or minorities as criminals or whites as racist or Christians as tyrants or gays as evil.
2.) so do the comfort of all the examples i just gave
3.) I understand it and all my examples also
4.) ah but we are, especially if laws are being made right now against transgenders. That part is where rights COULD come into play and have to be decided.
Why is it comfort and etiquette when it comes to transgender but not race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, wealth, social status etc etc
5.) but she can leave or wait pretty easy
6.) you are allowed to wonder but it is especially when people are trying to make rights against transgenders
7.) and we have heard that same thing about race, gender, sexual orientation, SSM etc etc

Trans women are fundamentally men.

I don't agree with such laws against trans women.

True she can wait.

Rights against? I don't understand.

In this case it's true. People of different sexes are different. Race it's imaginary. And people of sexual orientation are only different in the relationships they choose.

Trans woman are fundamentally men, there is a difference between men and women.

 

[Socrates1]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

I had to take my 2 year old into a men's restroom because the place I was at didn't have family restrooms. Luckily, it DID have a changing table in the men's room though I learned to do without those too if necessary.

Back in the day"" I went to a few or more SCA events with friends (dress up n medieval garb, make your own armor, all that mess) and the grounds these events were held on had unisex bathrooms. I was aware of my surroundings but beyond that it didn't phase me that men and women were using the same bathroom. There was even a joke with another SCA member who came in to the stall next to me because of my height, probably, who said "Don't peek now." to which I said "I won't if you don't" to which we laughed a bit then went about our business.

In 2004 my family and I "ran from" the three hurricanes that decided to come visit Florida. On the way back, roads were packed, facilities were packed, it was just miserable (a 9 hour drive back from the Carolinas was a 13 hour drive because of the situation). And whenever we stopped, everyone was using whatever facility had space because there were a lot of people on the road who just had to go and it didn't matter what sex used what bathroom.

Those are a few of my experiences and I doubt I'm the only one with such examples.


Ahhh. So now you would love to have legislature where only Conservatives (I am guessing only Republicans really) are allowed to use public facilities. That's not fascist at all.
*For the sarcastically impaired

Now that's original ! :lamo

 

[Socrates1]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Um...okay?

Well they except a metal of some sort ! :lamo

 

[Henrin]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

In this case it's true. People of different sexes are different. Race it's imaginary. And people of sexual orientation are only different in the relationships they choose.

Not really. The differences in the races are brought on by genetics. Now, if those differences are of great importance is another matter that I'm not speaking towards, but the races are different.

As for sexual orientation, well again, they are different. There has already been found differences in the brains of straight and gay individuals.

The fact is differences in people are not caused by nothing and they surely aren't imaginary.

 

[Socrates1]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

How dramatic can you get? I have never had anyone introduce themselves to me with "I'm gay". Hell I didn't know one of the guys I went through nuke school with, even was at parties with, was gay for over a year and a half. Pretty sure this is a not what normally happens and very few people have ever actually did this to you or anyone else.

Perhaps they may think your gay and no need for the intro ! :lamo

 

[roguenuke]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Perhaps they may think your gay and no need for the intro ! :lamo

What are you talking about? The vast majority of people do not introduce themselves as their sexuality or including their sexuality, no matter what your overexaggeration suggests. It may eventually come up, just like my having a husband and/or children sometimes comes up even when talking with strangers. Telling them something about my husband however isn't really overtly sharing my sexuality (although it does strongly suggest what my sexuality is).

 

[Socrates1]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

What are you talking about? The vast majority of people do not introduce themselves as their sexuality or including their sexuality, no matter what your overexaggeration suggests. It may eventually come up, just like my having a husband and/or children sometimes comes up even when talking with strangers. Telling them something about my husband however isn't really overtly sharing my sexuality (although it does strongly suggest what my sexuality is).

Really ? Not around here , it's a badge of honor ! Hell they get metals at the WH for just being GAY ! :lamo

 

[calamity]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Really ? Not around here , it's a badge of honor ! Hell they get metals at the WH for just being GAY ! :lamo

Or an espy award for ditching their wife and saying they are trans.

 

[TheGoverness]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Well they except a metal of some sort ! :lamo

Well I don't. I don't need a medal.

 

[AGENT J]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Pssst, if someone is out committing sexual crimes against children they could not care less about some bathroom law and would enter one way or the other. Maybe a little logic will help some conservatives see how stupid and useless such laws are to begin with.

Wait what???? criminals don't care about the law?
thats crazy, look at all the drug laws there are and how they basically wiped out anybody's ability to get legally drugs!!! . . . oh wait . . .


All just FYI dont group all conservatives together many of them support equal rights . . . just the loud extremists dont

 

[AGENT J]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Lib's are obsessed with perv's and sex , stay home and use your own bathroom ! :shock: PC gone too far . :roll:

Libs are?
weird since I know people across the spectrum that support equality and support transgenders.

Also while i dont group people together can you remind me what law makers and politicians are trying to make LAWS about sex, bathrooms? Again those people dont represent thier whole group but its anit liberal leaders. Its nutter extremists.

"PC gone to far" where have we heard that before? oh yeah womans rights, minority rights etc

 

[AGENT J]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

I love how stupid it is to determine gender by what is between the ears instead of between the legs. :roll:

Weird . . . can you point out where I sad thats how "gender" is determined? Also can you tell us how that failed starwman applies to the op about "the perverts are coming the perverts are coming"

oh wait, it doesnt LMAO
your post fails again

 

[AGENT J]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

1.)Do people have a right to use a certain bathroom?
2.)In terms of scientific fact are MTF's in fact women?
3.) How exactly is it wrong to tell them they can't use the woman's bathroom when they are in fact not women?

1.) theres no right to public bathrooms, never claimed otherwise, you like going off topic and posting meaningless straw men don't you. nothing in your post has to do with the OP LMAO
2.) Genetically you cant change your XY make up
3.) Equality laws seem very clear to me, LEGALLY a person can have their gender changed, LEGALLY what they are is non of your business, so making a law that judges them would be wrong IMO
Once again if you are making a law against transgenders that can easily be argued to be unequal. And You opinion of equality as a non-start is meaningless just like it was with gay rights. Your post fails again.