I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms.

[Gaztopian]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

What's stupid and quite sad is that we need an argument to tell men and women to stick to their sh!tters.

 

[roguenuke]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

I could care less what bathroom a transgender uses when dealing with only adults. I am more concerned for the kids and it is not about safety.
Some may be young enough and not be ready for the sex talk and may see something they are not ready to understand.

Wonder if a "transgender' ever thinks of the impact on young kids?

What exactly is a child going to see in a public restroom that they may not be ready to see, that they wouldn't see in public in general? Please be specific.

 

[roguenuke]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

No, but you would be trying to explain to a young child why that person is in their bathroom. (example" daughter in woman's bathroom seeing a transgender (male).

Some child may be young enough not to be able to understand.

Why would a child care? In many cases, the children use the restroom that doesn't match their own sex because they are out with a parent who is of the opposite sex as they are. And at home, most people don't segregate their bathrooms.

 

[mike2810]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Are you another one who is under the false impression that a transsexual would walk into a bathroom, announce that she's a transsexual and "whip it out" in front of everyone? Do you realize just how ridiculous that sounds? That is NOT how a transsexual behaves. They don't want anyone to know that they are trans. No kid is going to see ANYTHING.

No. Interesting that you asked.

 

[coldjoint]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Heres something I have seen on facebook, on websites, on message boards and even in an email, though the email was mocking how dumb it was. (And to be fair so were the majority of comments on all those places) It makes me laugh that people think THIS is a logical argument.

"Scenario:
Your 12 year old daughter goes to the bathroom at the restaurant by herself. Your daughter doesn't return for a bit and you go to check on her and hear her crying in a bathroom stall. She runs to you and says a man just touched her privates. You call the police and they come to investigate. Just outside the bathroom is security cameras that records everyone coming and going from the Restrooms.
(Cameras aren't allowed inside the bathrooms) duh!! Your daughter enters the bathroom and just behind her enters what according to the camera appears to be a man. The man is identified later in the investigation and is interviewed by police but says he is transgender and he was just using the bathroom and the little girl is lying.
If people of both sexes are able to enter the bathroom of their choice the little girls statement holds no credibility. "Her word against his"
Now with the "Bathroom Law" in place, preventing a person of the opposite biological sex from entering the bathroom of their choice the little girls statement is credible and the offender has to explain why he entered a women's restroom when knowing it was against the law. This is maybe the evidence that helps convict the defendant or maybe the only evidence.
Now does this help the liberals understand!!!!!!
It's not about discrimination folks.
PLEASE SHARE EVERYONE"

This is beyond mentally retarded and isn't even a good scare tacit . . . here's a question . . . what it the person who touched the 12yr old girl that you chose to send to the restroom by themselves was a woman? oooooooops
If this is a real concern for you it should ALWAYS be a concern for you and don't let your kid go by themselves then.

If somebody would do that, they are a criminal period. .. their gender nor does their sexual orientation matter. . . .just like their race and religion 'matter, good grief I love how dumb these people are. Also love how who ever wrote this tried to make it about liberals . . news flash, many republicans and conservatives don't judge people based on sexual orientation or gender and are fine with transgenders using the facilities they are transitioned too.

Im glad at most the places I saw this people were mocking it and pointing out how dumb it is.

This is a case of inflicting your, or their, values on someone else. A lot of people are uncomfortable, to say the least, with this kind of invasion of privacy.

The transgender is an even smaller minority than gays. If they choose that lifestyle they should deal with it. And if it means using the bathroom of the sex you were born as, suck it up or hold it until you get home.

 

[roguenuke]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

This is a case of inflicting your, or their, values on someone else. A lot of people are uncomfortable, to say the least, with this kind of invasion of privacy.

The transgender is an even smaller minority than gays. If they choose that lifestyle they should deal with it. And if it means using the bathroom of the sex you were born as, suck it up or hold it until you get home.

Most people have used the restroom with someone of the opposite sex in the public restroom (a stall most likely) nearby without knowing it. Get over it. Unless and until someone actually attacks you, your discomfort is your problem.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

I think it's odd that this is an issue that can't be handled without invoking the government, and wasting a lot of money with government involvement.

Regardless of which phase of transition someone is, they should use the bathroom of the sex which they most resemble.

While in there, they should, as should everyone using the bathroom, behave themselves according to long ago established norms and customs, which would include giving others the privacy they need and want and that themselves would expect of others.

WTF is the problem here? Government involvement? Really?

I find the whole scenario to be severe paranoia. As a result of this I tried to find out what Canada did.

Answer? Nothing. The situation has resolved itself, just about all single washrooms are non gender, and for the life of me I cannot find one issue in public facilities like the beach changing rooms, where you would think if there were such a predator I suspect we would have known about it. In this country a sex assault on a child would lead the national news

 

[coldjoint]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Most people have used the restroom with someone of the opposite sex in the public restroom (a stall most likely) nearby without knowing it. Get over it. Unless and until someone actually attacks you, your discomfort is your problem.

Why does it have to my discomfort? I would think the exception to the rule should be discomforted. Remember they choose to be transgender, not the 99% that choose not to be.

 

[roguenuke]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Why does it have to my discomfort? I would think the exception to the rule should be discomforted. Remember they choose to be transgender, not the 99% that choose not to be.

You don't choose to be transgender. Just as you don't choose to be comfortable with what gender you were born as.

Because you are the one who wants to demand to know someone's sex or genitalia to use the restroom when in the vast majority of restrooms in the US, people don't see each others genitals.

 

[coldjoint]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

You don't choose to be transgender. Just as you don't choose to be comfortable with what gender you were born as.

Because you are the one who wants to demand to know someone's sex or genitalia to use the restroom when in the vast majority of restrooms in the US, people don't see each others genitals.

Your argument can be used in reverse.

 

[roguenuke]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Your argument can be used in reverse.

What are you talking about? What I'm talking about is a right to privacy. You shouldn't have to provide your sex or show your parts to use the restroom.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

It's just another campaign in the, "you'll do it our way, Or else", agenda. The Left will never be content.

Sadly...they will also never 'be' normal. You cant demand acceptance. You cant force acceptance. You cant legislate normalcy. And most importantly...you cant find peace and happiness by seeking external validation. If more people understood this we would be much further along.

The problem really is not and never has been about transgendered people using the bathrooms. It isnt a problem. It hasnt been a problem. What has happened is a legislative drive to command 'tolerance' and the people have rejected and rebelled against it. And because the legislative fix (which was already unnecessary) was so stupid from the outset it has created much more by way of 'problems' than they ever could have hoped to achieve. Yes...people are pissed. No...people arent going to accept it as normal. And worse...because the ever present push to promote 'tolerance' (a word many on the left do not understand very well) they have created more and more TRULY ****ED UP people than ever before. 58 gender types...and counting. Otherkins...people that really really really believe they are animals. Hell...we have people that truly believe they are vampires. All because people insist on creating special indentities for precious little snowflakes. Its damaging people. People are cutting off ****ing body parts to create a new 'normal'.

And no...I dont think most people are truly at risk from most if not the vast majority of the transgendered population. That does not mean there are not problems. First...you have the angry trannies who WILL make an issue of it but that will mostly just make it annoying as **** for women to go to a public bathroom. I guess as a guy I can just say...well...sorry ladies...better you than me because some of those people can be downright...well...annoying. But thats just the nuisance. No...what is TRULY going to cause REAL harm is the number of sick ****s out there that will exploit the laws, claim privileged 'gender' status, and go and hang out in those bathrooms and womens lockers to satisfy their perversions.

And with the new laws, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

 

[coldjoint]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

What are you talking about? What I'm talking about is a right to privacy. You shouldn't have to provide your sex or show your parts to use the restroom.

Then why the fuss? Why didn't transgender people keep their mouths shut, and just go? This all is just another tool of the progressives to minimize the values so many hold dear, and turn them into the bad guys.

 

[chromium]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Sorry but there is no right of anyone to use the bathroom that they feel they should be able to go in.

And really? You're asking why a woman should feel uncomfortable towards a man in a females bathroom? Why a parent should feel uncomfortable with a man going into a females bathroom when your child is in there? Might have to do with the fact that both women and children are raped/molested far more by men than the other way around. And its been that way for thousands of years. I know darn well that if I see a man entering the women's bathroom while my daughter is in there I'm going to be concerned as hell and moving to stop that man. I'm not going to stop and wonder "hey, this might be a transgender!".

well then you really should be against this law since it forces a FtM who looks entirely male into your daughter's restroom, whereas before this he would've used the other one and you would likely have never noticed. Just like you never noticed transgender everywhere before this. Instead you want to force that same transgender into the patently wrong restroom where he will face threats from the likes of you

And before you say it's not about transgender, oh but it is, because you're saying they don't matter. Guess what, they are someone's kids too and the kid who just won in federal court is someone's kid too! You're sacrificing them for sake of hypotheticals such as non trans men barging into bathroom stalls of little girls, which was and remains not only extremely rare but already illegal. HB2 isn't gonna stop ANY predators because that was *already* illegal. Get it?

The creators of this bill and their religious backers aren't fooling us either. The vast vast majority of them simply hate lgbt, and THAT is the primary motive behind it - otherwise, why combine the bathroom restrictions with removing employment protections for homosexuals? It's so transparent that the lawsuits and boycotts took off immediately. They were hoping we wouldn't notice, must have mistaken our gullibility for that of north carolina rednecks

 

[chromium]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

I'm a cisgendered adult, meaning I am comfortable in the sex I was born with.
I use the bathroom according to this.
I don't want kids or adults looking in on what equipment I use to do my business in the bathroom and parents are irresponsible if they are letting this happen.

Now if you mean a "man" wearing a dress and coming into the men's room then that's as easy as "some people are different and are allowed to be different when they are adults".
I can pretty much guarantee you that this is now a natural part of our world and is probably easier to explain than why mommy and daddy need alone time together. Have fun with that one.

This should be a none issue. Until someone presents solid numbers that transgendered society has more child molesters in it, then the scenario should be ignored.
I mean there's more evidence of molestation by Catholic priests but we still let them use restrooms and people still go to Catholic churches...
Just saying.

there's more evidence of molestation by the same party that passed this "protecting kids from rape" law

yeah that's right, more elected republicans have been arrested in restrooms than transgender

 

[chromium]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

What's stupid and quite sad is that we need an argument to tell men and women to stick to their sh!tters.

it all makes me wonder how anyone survived back in the day of wooden planks with holes to **** in that were nailed to the walls of outdoor buildings for everyone passing by to see

and imagine taking a crap while on a sea voyage but first having to argue over biological sex and birth certificates

 

[chromium]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

This is a case of inflicting your, or their, values on someone else. A lot of people are uncomfortable, to say the least, with this kind of invasion of privacy.

The transgender is an even smaller minority than gays. If they choose that lifestyle they should deal with it. And if it means using the bathroom of the sex you were born as, suck it up or hold it until you get home.

yeah right, YOU go into the female restroom or hold it till you get home

fortunately we have courts and a constitution willing to stand up for minorities

 

[coldjoint]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

yeah right, YOU go into the female restroom or hold it till you get home

fortunately we have courts and a constitution willing to stand up for minorities

I can always piss outside. They are simply using this crap so people like you get a knot in your panties. And reject what has been accepted at the whim of progressive behaviorists. What happens when they start pushing for children to be fair game? That's right pedophiles are a minority too.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

well then you really should be against this law since it forces a FtM who looks entirely male into your daughter's restroom, whereas before this he would've used the other one and you would likely have never noticed. Just like you never noticed transgender everywhere before this. Instead you want to force that same transgender into the patently wrong restroom where he will face threats from the likes of you

The odds of a female molesting a child is about 3% across the entire country. I'm not near as worried about women. The odds of men raping/molesting women/children is roughly 30-40% across the nation. Who do you think I'm more worried about?

As far as noticing a male dressed as a woman, that is quite easy. I've yet to come across a male cross dresser or transgender that wasn't readily identifiable as biologically male. Unless they have a surgery done, then it can be quite hard. But if they have a surgery done, no reason to worry about them.

As far as threatening LGBT's....I would like an apology for that. I have always stood up for LGBT Rights and have lots of posts to prove it. To state that I would threaten them or even imply it is not only wrong but slanderous. I do not go around claiming that you threaten people. Do the courtesy of not doing the same to me.

And before you say it's not about transgender, oh but it is, because you're saying they don't matter. Guess what, they are someone's kids too and the kid who just won in federal court is someone's kid too! You're sacrificing them for sake of hypotheticals such as non trans men barging into bathroom stalls of little girls, which was and remains not only extremely rare but already illegal. HB2 isn't gonna stop ANY predators because that was *already* illegal. Get it?

1: Me saying that they don't matter to me...means just that. You can claim otherwise, but you projecting your own beliefs onto me doesn't change what matters to me and what doesn't.

2: Everyone that has ever been born has parents. So trying to use the emotionalism card of "they're someone's kids!" isn't going to do a damn thing for your argument. Murderers are the kids of someone...why should I feel any empathy for them just because of that fact?

3: There is a difference between something already being illegal and something becoming the norm due to an acceptance in society. Right now rapes in bathrooms are rare due to the stigma of a man entering a woman's bathroom. Everyone notices when a man enters a woman's bathroom and as such pays more attention, which means less chance of a rape occurring. Normalize a man going into a woman's bathroom and a rape in a bathroom is not going to stay rare because people will become numb to the fact that a man just entered a woman's bathroom.

The creators of this bill and their religious backers aren't fooling us either. The vast vast majority of them simply hate lgbt, and THAT is the primary motive behind it - otherwise, why combine the bathroom restrictions with removing employment protections for homosexuals? It's so transparent that the lawsuits and boycotts took off immediately. They were hoping we wouldn't notice, must have mistaken our gullibility for that of north carolina rednecks

I'm already on record of believing that the law in NC is wrong. You have no need to convince me of that.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

yeah right, YOU go into the female restroom or hold it till you get home

fortunately we have courts and a constitution willing to stand up for minorities

No where in the Constitution does it give the right of males to go into females bathrooms or visa versa.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Most people have used the restroom with someone of the opposite sex in the public restroom (a stall most likely) nearby without knowing it. Get over it. Unless and until someone actually attacks you, your discomfort is your problem.

I've seen this said a lot in this thread. Got any proof of that? I know you can't just be talking about transgender's since there's only around 700,000 of them in the US.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

there's more evidence of molestation by the same party that passed this "protecting kids from rape" law

yeah that's right, more elected republicans have been arrested in restrooms than transgender

Strawman. AFAIK no one in this thread has claimed that transgender's have been arrested less or more than republicans (or any other group for that matter) for rape.

 

[roguenuke]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

Then why the fuss? Why didn't transgender people keep their mouths shut, and just go? This all is just another tool of the progressives to minimize the values so many hold dear, and turn them into the bad guys.

Times changed where others realized that transgender people were using the restrooms as the sex they lived as rather than the one they were born as and possibly physically still matched and tried to or actually did harm transgenders or those they thought were transgender for doing so. It has become a push and shove from there. And it really isn't just transgenders. Intersex and androgynous people have to put up with this crap as well. They were being ignored until they became to gain some acceptance, which brings out those who disapprove and who start giving them a hard time about who they present as.

 

[roguenuke]

Re: I love how stupid the arguments are against transgenders and them using bathrooms

I've seen this said a lot in this thread. Got any proof of that? I know you can't just be talking about transgender's since there's only around 700,000 of them in the US.

I've used the bathroom with my sons, and I'm sure some fathers have taken their daughters into the bathroom with them. I've in fact used the men's room by accident before.

As for the number of transgenders in the US, I believe that number may be small or perhaps it is not including some who don't report it. I just had a woman come through my line today who was definitely born male (and I saw her ID card so I know she legally still is one). Bet she would have used the women's restroom and fitting rooms without any problem. And she wasn't even one of our regulars.

 

[roguenuke]

The odds of a female molesting a child is about 3% across the entire country. I'm not near as worried about women. The odds of men raping/molesting women/children is roughly 30-40% across the nation. Who do you think I'm more worried about?

As far as noticing a male dressed as a woman, that is quite easy. I've yet to come across a male cross dresser or transgender that wasn't readily identifiable as biologically male. Unless they have a surgery done, then it can be quite hard. But if they have a surgery done, no reason to worry about them.

As far as threatening LGBT's....I would like an apology for that. I have always stood up for LGBT Rights and have lots of posts to prove it. To state that I would threaten them or even imply it is not only wrong but slanderous. I do not go around claiming that you threaten people. Do the courtesy of not doing the same to me.



1: Me saying that they don't matter to me...means just that. You can claim otherwise, but you projecting your own beliefs onto me doesn't change what matters to me and what doesn't.

2: Everyone that has ever been born has parents. So trying to use the emotionalism card of "they're someone's kids!" isn't going to do a damn thing for your argument. Murderers are the kids of someone...why should I feel any empathy for them just because of that fact?

3: There is a difference between something already being illegal and something becoming the norm due to an acceptance in society. Right now rapes in bathrooms are rare due to the stigma of a man entering a woman's bathroom. Everyone notices when a man enters a woman's bathroom and as such pays more attention, which means less chance of a rape occurring. Normalize a man going into a woman's bathroom and a rape in a bathroom is not going to stay rare because people will become numb to the fact that a man just entered a woman's bathroom.



I'm already on record of believing that the law in NC is wrong. You have no need to convince me of that.

The odds of a man molesting a strangers kid is very small, whether the kid is male or female. It is even smaller that they would do so in a public place like a restroom. Does it happen? Yes it has happened, but it is very rare and not likely any law would prevent someone who felt that urge (shudder at just typing that) from not doing it just because the law said they shouldn't be somewhere.

Even rape of a woman is very rarely perpetrated by a stranger and way more rare in public.