"... I did nothing wrong by being a gay man" after wrongful firing by catholic school

[iguanaman]

Illegal is what this Judge’s ruling which contradicts clear Supreme Court precedent is.

So no then?

 

[rahl]

There will be an appeal.

there is always an appeal. It stand no chance of being overturned. The supreme court has already ruled sexual orientation is a protected class. This is no different than if they fired him because he was black.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

there is always an appeal. It stand no chance of being overturned. The supreme court has already ruled sexual orientation is a protected class. This is no different than if they fired him because he was black.

The Supreme Court has ruled religious institutions are not subject to these laws in hiring of ministers

 

[rahl]

The Supreme Court has ruled religious institutions are not subject to these laws in hiring of ministers

no they haven't. But that's irrelevant. This isn't a minister, and they were already employed and the school already knew he was gay. He was fired for getting married to someone of the same sex. That is illegal, which is why the school lost in court.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

no they haven't. But that's irrelevant. This isn't a minister, and they were already employed and the school already knew he was gay. He was fired for getting married to someone of the same sex. That is illegal, which is why the school lost in court.

It is not against Catholic teaching to be “gay” nor is it against Catholic teaching to live with a same sex roommate.

it is against Catholic teaching to be openly committing sodomy which is obvious when you are openly calling yourself married to another man.

Ministers include teachers at religious institutions

 

[rahl]

It is not against Catholic teaching to be “gay” nor is it against Catholic teaching to live with a same sex roommate.

what is against catholic teaching is meaningless under the law. you can't fire someone for being gay, black or a woman/man.

it is against Catholic teaching to be openly committing sodomy which is obvious when you are openly calling yourself married to another man.

which is meaningless and irrelevant to the law.

Ministers include teachers at religious institutions

no they don't. but regardless, you can't be fired for being homosexual. it's illegal. it's why the school lost in court.

 

[nota bene]

It is not against Catholic teaching to be “gay” nor is it against Catholic teaching to live with a same sex roommate.

it is against Catholic teaching to be openly committing sodomy which is obvious when you are openly calling yourself married to another man.

Ministers include teachers at religious institutions

I thought it was about fornication of any kind.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I thought it was about fornication of any kind.

Fornication is ordered sex outside of marriage.

sodomy is disordered sex where the penis is penetrated into any part of the body other then the vagina.

 

[Cordelier]

Living as a roommate is not against Christian teaching. Being an open sodomite is

Something about casting the first stone comes to mind....

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Something about casting the first stone comes to mind....

I have lived with male roommates and not engaged in sodomy

 

[Cordelier]

I have lived with male roommates and not engaged in sodomy

What does that have to do with being judgmental? What's so wrong with letting people live the way they choose to live?

What's more... how consistent is it of the Church to punish someone for getting married but giving a pass to someone who gets a divorce?

 

[grip]

This was not a clergymen he was a teacher...a drama teacher no less. They had no right to fire him and the court ruled correctly.

"Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 generally prohibits any sort of employment discrimination based on sex, race, national origin, or religion. However, there is a notable exception to the rule: religious organizations are allowed to discriminate on the basis of their religion.

The reason is because they have the right to free exercise of religion. It also has a basis in common sense. For instance, a Catholic school would want to hire Catholic nuns rather than atheists, and the same goes with priests, etc. This exception encompasses all employees of a religious organization, and not just those in the top tier."

Religious Organization’s Right to Discriminate

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[Cordelier]

"Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 generally prohibits any sort of employment discrimination based on sex, race, national origin, or religion. However, there is a notable exception to the rule: religious organizations are allowed to discriminate on the basis of their religion.

The reason is because they have the right to free exercise of religion. It also has a basis in common sense. For instance, a Catholic school would want to hire Catholic nuns rather than atheists, and the same goes with priests, etc. This exception encompasses all employees of a religious organization, and not just those in the top tier."

Religious Organization’s Right to Discriminate

Religious organizations can discriminate on the basis of their religion says LegalMatch. To hire an employment attorney to hear your case, click this

www.legalmatch.com

But is a denominational school a "religious organization"? Just because it is administered by a religious organization doesn't automatically make it a religious organization - in order to maintain it's status as an accredited educational organization, it still has a duty to comply with the standards of the state, does it not?

 

[iguanaman]

"Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 generally prohibits any sort of employment discrimination based on sex, race, national origin, or religion. However, there is a notable exception to the rule: religious organizations are allowed to discriminate on the basis of their religion.

The reason is because they have the right to free exercise of religion. It also has a basis in common sense. For instance, a Catholic school would want to hire Catholic nuns rather than atheists, and the same goes with priests, etc. This exception encompasses all employees of a religious organization, and not just those in the top tier."

Religious Organization’s Right to Discriminate

Religious organizations can discriminate on the basis of their religion says LegalMatch. To hire an employment attorney to hear your case, click this

www.legalmatch.com

You left this out....
The religious organization cannot discriminate based on protected classes such as race, sex, or national origin.
They can hire only Catholics if they want and that is it.

 

[grip]

But is a denominational school a "religious organization"? Just because it is administered by a religious organization doesn't automatically make it a religious organization - in order to maintain it's status as an accredited educational organization, it still has a duty to comply with the standards of the state, does it not?

If the school is owned and run by the church, then I imagine it's considered part of a religious organization?

 

[grip]

You left this out....
The religious organization cannot discriminate based on protected classes such as race, sex, or national origin.
They can hire only Catholics if they want and that is it.

I'm not defending the church on a personal level just stating why they believe they have the right to fire someone who doesn't practice all the tenants of their faith. The church probably believes they had a BFOQ.

-- A “BFOQ” stands for Bona Fide Occupational Qualification, and differs from the right to discriminate in that it allows an employer to discriminate based on religion, sex, or national origin if the position absolutely requires one of these protected classes.

An important distinction between the two, is that BFOQ is more narrowly defined as opposed to a religious organization’s right to discriminate. The former relates more to the job itself, whereas the latter focuses on the nature of the employer.--

 

[rahl]

I have lived with male roommates and not engaged in sodomy

you've never had a blowjob? lol no wonder you're so unhappy.

 

[NWRatCon]

What does that have to do with being judgmental? What's so wrong with letting people live the way they choose to live?

What's more... how consistent is it of the Church to punish someone for getting married but giving a pass to someone who gets a divorce?

Or "lives in sin"? If he goes to confession once a week, should he not be absolved of that week's sodomies? 3 "hail Marys" and whatnot? The hypocrisy of it is rather stark.

 

[PirateMk1]

If you hire on, the Church only gets to control your morality from the time you clock in until the time you clock out. What you do in your home life - so long as it's legal - isn't any of their business.... and it certainly isn't grounds for dismissal.

Tell that to other business's that fire you for your political position or what you say on your off duty hours.

 

[rahl]

Tell that to other business's that fire you for your political position or what you say on your off duty hours.

none of that is a protected class. You can not be fired from any job, anywhere in the US for your race, religion gender, or sexual orientation.

 

[justabubba]

It is not against Catholic teaching to be “gay” nor is it against Catholic teaching to live with a same sex roommate.

it is against Catholic teaching to be openly committing sodomy which is obvious when you are openly calling yourself married to another man.

Ministers include teachers at religious institutions

i believe you have lept too far to reach that conclusion

there are persons of mixed genders who have been legally married who never engaged in coitus ... one being a 'beard' relationship
it can be presumed that is also true for same sex marriages

 

[justabubba]

If the school is owned and run by the church, then I imagine it's considered part of a religious organization?

it is. the diocese was a party to the suit

 

[EMNofSeattle]

i believe you have lept too far to reach that conclusion

there are persons of mixed genders who have been legally married who never engaged in coitus ... one being a 'beard' relationship
it can be presumed that is also true for same sex marriages

So therefore the Catholic Church must hire open sodomites to contradict church teaching in their own schools?

why are you so obsessed with forcing sodomy on the public that you will make such BS arguments?

 

[justabubba]

So therefore the Catholic Church must hire open sodomites to contradict church teaching in their own schools?

there is no evidence of sodomy on the part of the terminated teacher
significantly, the teacher never concealed his homosexuality. his sexual inclinations were known prior to his being hired, thru a span that included him being recognized as teacher of the year

and i would warrant that there are numerous 'sodomites' among the clergy, which has demonstrated a long-standing bias towards sexual behavior with male members
so much so that being identified as an "alter boy" carries a presumption of one who has been or will be diddled with by the attending priest

why are you so obsessed with forcing sodomy on the public that you will make such BS arguments?

no one is forcing sodomy on the public or upon the catholic church. in fact, the latter has brought that disgrace upon itself by its tolerance of untoward sodomites among its clergy

 

[EMNofSeattle]

there is no evidence of sodomy on the part of the terminated teacher
significantly, the teacher never concealed his homosexuality. his sexual inclinations were known prior to his being hired, thru a span that included him being recognized as teacher of the year

and i would warrant that there are numerous 'sodomites' among the clergy, which has demonstrated a long-standing bias towards sexual behavior with male members
so much so that being identified as an "alter boy" carries a presumption of one who has been or will be diddled with by the attending priest

no one is forcing sodomy on the public or upon the catholic church. in fact, the latter has brought that disgrace upon itself by its tolerance of untoward sodomites among its clergy

So again, why are you so obsessed with sodomy you want to force people to recognize it as anything other then sexual disorder?