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I couldn't do this . . .

digsbe said:
Well, those are your values and it's your life, that's fine. To me though it seems unwise to starve to death and not eat the dog and almost makes it seem like it saving your life was something done in vain. My values in the vast majority of instances a human life and preserving that always takes precedence compared to the life of an animal.
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I have had to kill dogs before and it broke my heart. If I killed my best friend to save myself I would not be happy. If you are not happy why be alive?
 
List motivators stronger than hunger. There are stories of cannibalism pertaining to family members eating each other much less a dog. Go to China and you can see Rover hanging from grocery store ceilings. Makes more sense than eating a nasty old pig.
 
Without the sentiment, there are many things a dog would be good for in the environment he says he was in. There is warmth, dogs are warm blooded and fur bearing. In a day or two the dog would be hunting and would probably share a bunny. Dogs would let you know about bears and, if not scare them off,provide an early warning system. The first two days you would not even be really hungry. At first he was stupid enough to kill his biggest survival asset and then smart enough to survive 3 months of Canadian winter? I think the story is BS.
 
Why did they bother to rescue this ass? I wouldn't. He willfully found his way in there, and he can damn well find his own way out. Ate his dog? Asshole. Some wilderness expert.
 
It would definitely be a LAST resort for me, if I was able to do it at all. I can't say what I would do if I was starving to death though, I've never been in that situation. I know I've heard of people eating other people when they were starving before, so if we are capable of doing that I think most of us would probably be capable of eating our pets in a dire situation, even if we don't think we could. You'd be surprised what you can do when your survival instincts set in. :)
 
OK, I went back and read the entire article.

I didn't see where this guy claimed to be a "wilderness expert", but it appears that he is not.
For one thing, he must have gone into grizzly country unarmed. First mistake.

For another, there is a little device called a SPOT personal locator beacon that can call for help via satellite. I carry one just hiking in the Sierras, where there are no grizzlies and where you are seldom more than two days hike from the trailhead. Had he had such a device, he could have called for help, even back where cell phones don't work.

For another thing, you don't go into the wilderness and just leave food unattended. You bring a bear canister and use it. That way, the bears won't eat your food and leave you hungry.

Next, I don't see where he was stranded for three months. It said he killed his loyal companion a few days after the bear attack.

Reprehensible.
 
Having done wilderness survival training I can tell you that when you're starving and alone, your priorities shift real fast. It's convenient to be a judgmental spectator but you'll never know until you're in that situation.

In this guy's defense, he was prepared. He brought all supplies necessary. Bear encounters are quite rare, especially violent ones... and to have ALL your food taken is just crazy.

And yeah, native people warned him, but native people do that all the time because they don't want white people entering their lands. Although IME some native people offer resources and even temporary guides up to a point, if their communities are friendly toward outsiders and stable.

It's unfortunate that the general public comes to feast on all the criticism whenever stories like this happen. The reality is that people are never going to stop venturing into the deep wilderness and doing risky things because for many people such explorations are human nature. Most people who take the risk do okay, this guy just had rotten luck. We can try to feel good about ourselves by being all "I told you so" but you're sitting at a comfy computer in your heated homes stocked with food and have the convenience of being armchair critics.
 
Northern Light said:
Having done wilderness survival training I can tell you that when you're starving and alone, your priorities shift real fast. It's convenient to be a judgmental spectator but you'll never know until you're in that situation.

In this guy's defense, he was prepared. He brought all supplies necessary. Bear encounters are quite rare, especially violent ones... and to have ALL your food taken is just crazy.

And yeah, native people warned him, but native people do that all the time because they don't want white people entering their lands. Although IME some native people offer resources and even temporary guides up to a point, if their communities are friendly toward outsiders and stable.

It's unfortunate that the general public comes to feast on all the criticism whenever stories like this happen. The reality is that people are never going to stop venturing into the deep wilderness and doing risky things because for many people such explorations are human nature. Most people who take the risk do okay, this guy just had rotten luck. We can try to feel good about ourselves by being all "I told you so" but you're sitting at a comfy computer in your heated homes stocked with food and have the convenience of being armchair critics.
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I highly criticize because he put himself in that position as well as his dog. He didnt "have to" be there and certianly didnt have to go un armed.
He was ill prepared. Period.
Now if he crash landed a plane out there and supplies were limited and it really really was life and death. I could almost see it. But I would still call BS on having to eat the dog.
I just hope one, he is never allowed to own a pet again. Two, charged for every penny used to rescue him. Three, charged with animal cruelty.
I really wouldnt mind him doing a year in prison.
And to your last jab at people being critical, drop me off where he was. Let me choose my supplies and I can get out, may lose a few pounds, but I will make it out.
 
I remember a News story about a hiker who got stuck after falling from rock climbing. His broken arm was pinned under a boulder and after a few days he used his pocket knife to cut the arm off to survive. All I could think of was I'm not sure I could've done it.
 
I've warned her that she is 15 pounds of protein. Could I actually do it? I doubt it but I'll sure as hell eat part of her cat food.
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CanadaJohn said:
I couldn't either Maggie - but then I'm not nearly as selfish and self-centered as this supposed "wilderness expert" is.

1. The man went hiking in an area where the native indians advised not to go and definitely not to go alone.

2. There have been numerous reports of people entering that wilderness area and not being seen again.

3. What idiot takes their family pet into a dangerous wilderness area with any number of potential hazards for either himself or the animal and immediately loses all supplies in the first couple of days? The poor animals are blameless in all of this - that's the dog and the bear - it is the egotistical "naturalist" nut who has all the blame. Even without losing the supplies, the poor dog could have been attacked and eaten by any number or other wild animals, not just his ignorant owner.

4. Even though some are giving this idiot kudos for surviving and using his dog as food while waiting to be rescued, I'd love to see him charged with animal endangerment or animal cruelty of some kind. His dog should never have been on such a stupid and dangerous trip.

It's a shame the dog didn't have opposable thumbs and packing a hunting rifle so that when his "master" screwed up the dog could have shot him and survived on the remains.
Clearly, in my view, the wrong being survived this ordeal.
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I totally agree.


The only good outcome for this sad tale about a guy who never should have taken that trip would have been for his dog to have killed and eaten him.

The dog didn't ask to go on that trip so why should it lose its life?
 
even a starving dog will wait until its owner dies before it eats him.
 
My damn dogs would eat me in a skinny second. One is looking at me like I am a steak right now. Just cause I wont let him drink out of the toilet.
shrubnose said:
You can bet that any dogs that read this will not be saving their owners.
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mak2 said:
My damn dogs would eat me in a skinny second. One is looking at me like I am a steak right now. Just cause I wont let him drink out of the toilet.
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Exactly. My dog is a 85 lb. American Blue Pitt and would eat me long before I considered eating her.
 
CRUE CAB said:
I highly criticize because he put himself in that position as well as his dog. He didnt "have to" be there and certianly didnt have to go un armed.
He was ill prepared. Period.
Now if he crash landed a plane out there and supplies were limited and it really really was life and death. I could almost see it. But I would still call BS on having to eat the dog.
I just hope one, he is never allowed to own a pet again. Two, charged for every penny used to rescue him. Three, charged with animal cruelty.
I really wouldnt mind him doing a year in prison.
And to your last jab at people being critical, drop me off where he was. Let me choose my supplies and I can get out, may lose a few pounds, but I will make it out.
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Yet we do not apply the same criticisms to the hundreds if not thousands of people who do deep woods hiking every year. It's only when it goes wrong that we feel righteous in criticizing their lifestyles. I'm an outdoors person and I think it's unfounded.

So what if he brought his dog? Dogs are good protection, early warning, and companions. For many people dogs are family. Again, if a bear didn't eat the guy's food we would not even be talking about this incident, and we're already neglecting that thousands of deep woods explorers do this every year without incident. He ate his dog because it was that or death. It was a survival strategy and for all intents and purposes it saved his life.

Stop griping about it.
 
Northern Light said:
Having done wilderness survival training I can tell you that when you're starving and alone, your priorities shift real fast. It's convenient to be a judgmental spectator but you'll never know until you're in that situation.

In this guy's defense, he was prepared.
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 He brought all supplies necessary. Bear encounters are quite rare, especially violent ones... and to have ALL your food taken is just crazy.

And yeah, native people warned him, but native people do that all the time because they don't want white people entering their lands. Although IME some native people offer resources and even temporary guides up to a point, if their communities are friendly toward outsiders and stable.

It's unfortunate that the general public comes to feast on all the criticism whenever stories like this happen. The reality is that people are never going to stop venturing into the deep wilderness and doing risky things because for many people such explorations are human nature. Most people who take the risk do okay, this guy just had rotten luck. We can try to feel good about ourselves by being all "I told you so" but you're sitting at a comfy computer in your heated homes stocked with food and have the convenience of being armchair critics.
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Bull****.

If he was prepared why did he end up killing and eating his dog, which,by the way, had saved his sorry life?

This guy did not have bad luck-his problem is that he's ate up with the dumbass and there is no cure for that.
 
shrubnose said:
Bull****.

If he was prepared why did he end up killing and eating his dog, which,by the way, had saved his sorry life?

This guy did not have bad luck-his problem is that he's ate up with the dumbass and there is no cure for that.
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You can't prepare for the contingency that a bear will eat all your food. Those are the risks. It doesn't stop people like us from solo camping in mother nature.

All you civilization folks who can't live without your TV dinners and cars just won't ever understand.
 
Northern Light said:
Yet we do not apply the same criticisms to the hundreds if not thousands of people who do deep woods hiking every year. It's only when it goes wrong that we feel righteous in criticizing their lifestyles. I'm an outdoors person and I think it's unfounded.

So what if he brought his dog? Dogs are good protection, early warning, and companions. For many people dogs are family. Again, if a bear didn't eat the guy's food we would not even be talking about this incident, and we're already neglecting that thousands of deep woods explorers do this every year without incident. He ate his dog because it was that or death. It was a survival strategy and for all intents and purposes it saved his life.

Stop griping about it.
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People lived off that land for generations. Proabably hundreds of generations. I am sure they ate. They all didnt starve to death and have to take drastic measures.
So yea, I will gripe about an idiot that put himself in that position and it cost his dog its life. Out of pure selfishness.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I couldn't either Maggie - but then I'm not nearly as selfish and self-centered as this supposed "wilderness expert" is.

1. The man went hiking in an area where the native indians advised not to go and definitely not to go alone.

2. There have been numerous reports of people entering that wilderness area and not being seen again.

3. What idiot takes their family pet into a dangerous wilderness area with any number of potential hazards for either himself or the animal and immediately loses all supplies in the first couple of days? The poor animals are blameless in all of this - that's the dog and the bear - it is the egotistical "naturalist" nut who has all the blame. Even without losing the supplies, the poor dog could have been attacked and eaten by any number or other wild animals, not just his ignorant owner.

4. Even though some are giving this idiot kudos for surviving and using his dog as food while waiting to be rescued, I'd love to see him charged with animal endangerment or animal cruelty of some kind. His dog should never have been on such a stupid and dangerous trip.

It's a shame the dog didn't have opposable thumbs and packing a hunting rifle so that when his "master" screwed up the dog could have shot him and survived on the remains. Clearly, in my view, the wrong being survived this ordeal.
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time after time we see stories of idiots like this guy who ignore common sense and, in many cases, warnings from others and put themselves in dangerous situations. and then if, by some freaking miracle, they survive, the idiot media paints them to be some tragic hero who survived adversity.

Aron Ralston (the tard who had to cut off his own arm with a ****ing pen knife) - went hiking in the wilderness and didn't tell a freaking sole where, or even that, he was going

Chris Maccandless - starved to death after he ventured into a wilderness area alone, without adequate planning, experience, preparation, or supplies, without notifying anyone and lacking emergency communication equipment. he didn't even bother to take a compass.

Tim Treadwell - eaten by a freakin bear
 
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