I cannot believe Rumsfeld/Meyers/Bush want to see any soldier

[Fantasea]

>> Considering that they could amount to a few truckloads of 55 gallon drums, and considering that US forces have uncovered operational jet fighters, wrapped, sealed, and buried under the desert sands in Iraq, they likewise buried the WMD. <<Fantasea

The only thing buried in the sand are the minds of the people that voted for Bush and believed his lies.

Hoot

Try this for starters.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/f/foxbat.htm

 

[heyjoeo]

Hmm...*fumbles with some papers*...whats this...In..qui..sition... Oh ya that. What was that again? Crusades? Oh snap! *Runs away*

 

[Hoot]

"We believe that Saddam has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
Vice President Dick Cheney, March 16th, 2003, on Meet the Press.

"Yeah, I did misspeak...We never had any evidence that Saddam had acquired a nuclear weapon."
Vice President Dick Cheney, Sept. 14, 2003 on Meet the Press.

Hoot

 

[Hoot]

>>Try this for starters.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/f/foxbat.htm <<Fantasea

The only thing I could find was a book by Tom Cooper and another author dealing with the war between Iraq and Iran...1980-1988.

What does this have to do with the current situation in Iraq?

Even the first paragraph of your link doesn't lend much credibility...

' According to Tom Cooper...blah blah...jets have been found buried in the sand in Iraq.'

This proves nothing. When?! Where, exactly?!

What does this have to do with the fact that Bush deliberately mislead the nation and led us into a war?

We had 3 times as many casualties this past Summer in Iraq then the previous Summer...we're probably over 1300 dead now, with as many as 10,000 seriously wounded, and many more suffering from combat related stress.

For what?

Hoot

 

[Fantasea]

>>Try this for starters.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/f/foxbat.htm <<Fantasea

The only thing I could find was a book by Tom Cooper and another author dealing with the war between Iraq and Iran...1980-1988.

What does this have to do with the current situation in Iraq?

Even the first paragraph of your link doesn't lend much credibility...

' According to Tom Cooper...blah blah...jets have been found buried in the sand in Iraq.'

This proves nothing. When?! Where, exactly?!

What does this have to do with the fact that Bush deliberately mislead the nation and led us into a war?

We had 3 times as many casualties this past Summer in Iraq then the previous Summer...we're probably over 1300 dead now, with as many as 10,000 seriously wounded, and many more suffering from combat related stress.

For what?

Hoot

I gave you a full page of logic on page #47 and your reaction was "POPPYCOCK'.

I give you a website that shows Iraqi fighter planes being dug out after being buried under ten feet of desert sand and you blow it off as inconsequential.

I don't see debate or discussion to support your contentions. All I see is denial of fact.

 

[heyjoeo]

Iraqi fighter planes buried under 10 ft of desert sand BECAUSE WE SHOT THEM DOWN DURING THE GULF WAR. Not only that, but I'm sure they were old school Russian MIGs. Those things to owned. In like 2 seconds. It is VERY inconsequential.

 

[Fantasea]

Iraqi fighter planes buried under 10 ft of desert sand BECAUSE WE SHOT THEM DOWN DURING THE GULF WAR. Not only that, but I'm sure they were old school Russian MIGs. Those things to owned. In like 2 seconds. It is VERY inconsequential.

Actually, the jets were modern with up to date avionics. They were fully operational prior to being dismantled and sealed against sand intrusion.

Nevertheless, I fear you missed the significance of the buried jet fighters. They were not important, per se, in the discussion. I simply used their discovery to illustrate a point.

Earlier in the thread, the question was along the lines of, what happened to the WMD believed to exist in Iraq that were not found.

If the Iraqis have found it beneficial, in some way, to bury entire aircraft in the desert, can anyone say, with certainty, that they didn't bury truckloads of 55 gallon drums of toxic materials, too?

What say you?

 

[heyjoeo]

I say, if we can find buried aircraft, then we would have found anything else in the sand using that same searching method.

I'd also like to see some proof about the comments about the aircraft.

 

[JDaly1978]

Not claiming to be the expert here, but the rumor is that some WMD's have found thier way into Syria. Just because they were not found in his home town or whatever, doesn't mean he never had them, never used them, and never hid them. He's still a war criminal, there are plenty of Kurds that can attest to that. Look at the mass graves where he's buried people. He certainly didn't use a bullet on every one of them did he?

 

[heyjoeo]

Are you dumb? We gave him the weapons he used against the Kurds. Don't be silly.

 

[JDaly1978]

I understand that. Just because I didn't mention it, it doesn't make me dumb. Lets try to be a little more rational with our responses. How can anyone say that 200 metric tons of weapons vanished and that there are no WMD's???

I dislike the democrats for saying such a dumb thing. There are no WMD's, so therefor they never existed.

 

[Fantasea]

I say, if we can find buried aircraft, then we would have found anything else in the sand using that same searching method.

I'd also like to see some proof about the comments about the aircraft.

In response to both your statements, may I commend to you the old adage, "Seek and ye shall find?

In the first, you now seem to accept that we did find aircraft which were buried under the desert sands. How much a stretch would it be to think that the same thing was done with drums of nasty stuff for which we, in all probability, are actively searching at this very moment?

Just because the media has not raised these search operations the same level of notariety as half a dozen hill billies having a beer fueled, middle of the night, orgy at Abu Ghraib doesn't mean that nothing, at all, is happening.

I would imagine that on the day that some of these drums start showing up, you'll be in the front ranks of those shouting, "It's a dirty plant by Bush!"

I wasn't aware that the long list of derogatory terms in the socialist-lib-dem 'Dirty Names' book included, 'Horticulturalist'. But, I learn something new every day.

In the second, why not do a google search on the subject. There's plenty of information just waiting for you. For me to spoon feed it to you would only bring nasty retorts of all kinds of bias on my part.

As Yogi Berra is fond of saying, "You could look it up."

 

[Fantasea]

Not claiming to be the expert here, but the rumor is that some WMD's have found thier way into Syria. Just because they were not found in his home town or whatever, doesn't mean he never had them, never used them, and never hid them. He's still a war criminal, there are plenty of Kurds that can attest to that. Look at the mass graves where he's buried people. He certainly didn't use a bullet on every one of them did he?

Those who are awonder at the question of Syria and WMD might take a look at this website and ask themselves whether the Damascans have always operated independently or whether Bashar Assad may have been playing footsie with his next door neighbor Saddam Hussein.

http://cns.miis.edu/research/wmdme/syria.htm

 

[Fantasea]

I understand that. Just because I didn't mention it, it doesn't make me dumb. Lets try to be a little more rational with our responses. How can anyone say that 200 metric tons of weapons vanished and that there are no WMD's???

I dislike the democrats for saying such a dumb thing. There are no WMD's, so therefor they never existed.

It is unfortunate that so many do not realize that in the game of politics, in order for the 'outs' to become the 'ins' the only opportunity they have for success is to convince the electorate that the 'ins' are unworthy and should, therefore, be replaced by themselves.

Since it's been all downhill since the 1994 switch in Congress when Newt Gingrich's Contract With America started the trend that culminated with the second term for GWB, the socialist-lib-dems have been beside themselves with rage and will stop at nothing as they struggle mightily to reverse their 'progressively' accellerating slide into oblivion.

If anyone disagrees, I'm sure I'll hear about it. I just hope that the opinions expressed will be bolstered by a few facts.

Empty invective is so tiresome.

 

[Rhadamanthus]

Are you able to provide evidence of this, and the date on which it occurred?

This was in response to me saying.


"nuclear chief Mohamed ElBaradei, told the council that inspectors found no evidence Iraq had resumed its nuclear weapons program"

here is my source.

http://newsblaster.cs.columbia.edu/dev/archives/2003-06-26-20-48-53/web/NBproxy.cgi?sentence=857

this story may also be found on the Houston Chronicle web sight.

 

[Rhadamanthus]

Those who are awonder at the question of Syria and WMD might take a look at this website and ask themselves whether the Damascans have always operated independently or whether Bashar Assad may have been playing footsie with his next door neighbor Saddam Hussein.

http://cns.miis.edu/research/wmdme/syria.htm

Ah, this sight clearly states that Syria has no nuclear weapons. And it is the nuclear weapons that were always in question in Iraq.

 

[heyjoeo]

I understand that. Just because I didn't mention it, it doesn't make me dumb. Lets try to be a little more rational with our responses. How can anyone say that 200 metric tons of weapons vanished and that there are no WMD's???

I dislike the democrats for saying such a dumb thing. There are no WMD's, so therefor they never existed.

I hate the Repubilcans when they say "we haven't found anything yet so it must exist."


I'm way to lazy to research things myself. Spoon feed me daddy!
Just kidding.

 

[JDaly1978]

What is your educated and logical response to the issue regarding the hundreds of thousands of metric tons of WMD they possesed? Did they vanish?? :bs :roll: Just because a bunch of overpayed goons go over there and dig in the sand don't mean squat. It would be obvious to me and others that they are looking in the wrong place. Besides...how much AMPLE time did we give Saddam to sell off or hide all his stuff?? Plenty!

I love the democrats that say that the can't possibly have or had any WMD's because we can't find them... :applaud

 

[heyjoeo]

You have the tendancy to repeat yourself like a broken record. Maybe if Bush Sr. didn't give him Chemical capabilities, this wouldn't be an issue. Who's fault is it that Halliburton was overpaid? The Bush Administration.

I love when Republicans...just kidding, I'm not going to repeat something in a forum when the post is two posts above mine.

 

[mixedmedia]

Isn't the question not whether he had nuclear weapons or not but whether we acted impetuously by invading Iraq when we didn't know?

The facts are, no one KNEW one way or the other whether the weapons & equipment that were documented after the Gulf War were still there or largely/fully dismantled. There was conflicting intelligence and most of the world believed that he was still armed with at least some biological or chemical capability. But it was generally agreed upon that simply the fact that he might have biological or chemical weapons was not enough reason to invade a country. There had to be a capacity or attempt to gain the capacity for nuclear weapons.

Not surprisingly, those who strongly desired an invasion of Iraq drew a much more chilling picture of those capacities than those who pressed for more time and compelling evidence (oh, I know, I know, like a mushroom cloud over NYC...don't waste your typing fingers, ok?).

So, that said, and knowing what we know now, did our nation as part of the appropriately titled "Coalition of the Willing" truly act in the best interest of the world and the citizens of Iraq? With all the information that was required to come to a reasoned and serviceable resolution? With the legitimacy of the truth at our backs?

Anyone who calls it a no-brainer can't have much of a brain.

PS...I think I've said it before...President Assad (the present Assad's father) of Syria, in 1982 quelled a rebellion by Muslim fundamentalists in the city of Hamah by simply slaughtering them in their homes. 20,000 of them is the generally agreed on estimate because no one knows how many for sure (they were never counted), journalists were barred from entering the devastation when the bullets stopped flying. Men, women, children all were killed without discrimination. Then when the rebellion was quelled Assad had the warzone razed, without checking for those still living or letting relatives claim the bodies of their loved ones. As if they never existed. When the rubble settled, they built a city park on the new "hillside." Charming, eh?

So the next time a republican tries to hand you a line about, "it doesn't matter if we found the weapons, we really went to Iraq to free the Iraqi people from tyranny" just remind them that tyrannical dictators are a dime a dozen and America, apparently, has very discerning taste when it comes to eating them.

 

[JDaly1978]

So Im a broken record. At least my "broken record " thoughts are well articulated. Anyway....Lets blame Bush Sn...thats does much good. That gets much accomplished.

 

[Hoot]

Look....

Yes, WMD existed...once upon a time in a far away land.

Here's what I like...the right likes to say things like this.....

"Saddam has a record of WMD for over a decade!"

What this really means....Saddam hasn't had a WMD for 10 years!

It's all deception...Bush knew there were serious questions about any threat from Iraq.

He a Christian. God told him to do it.

On the campaign trail, Bush told some Amish in Penn., that God speaks through him.

Whaddaya expect?

I didn't vote for the guy! LOL

As far as the jets in the sand...dates, locations....not much to ask.

Bottom line...once again...Bush picked and choose only the intelligence he wanted to use to justify war with Iraq, ignoring intelligence that did not support his view.

Pretty scary, isn't it?

Hoot

 

[Hoot]

I almost forgot...."According to my mother....the WMD are buried somewhere at Crawford, Texas.

Seems...someone was running for re-election, and if things didn't go their way......?

 

[JDaly1978]

A long time ago in a far away land. Hmmm...then tell those people overthere moving them around that they have phony WMD's, as we have images of them moving stuff all over the place.

"Saddam has a record of WMD for over a decade!"

What this really means....Saddam hasn't had a WMD for 10 years!

No...what that means is Saddam has 10 years of UN liovations and has breeched agreements to end weapons programs.

God told him to do it. :rofl

On the campaign trail, Bush told some Amish in Penn., that God
speaks through him.
So....he didn't say...God told me to deploy our US troops and take down Saddam, bomb the crap outta the place, then rebuild it?? So by him saying "god speaks through me", you take it upon yourself to read that: "God told me to bomb Iraq, so I did. God told me to fight the insurgents, so I am"

Bottom line...once again...Bush picked and choose only the
intelligence he wanted to use to justify war with Iraq, ignoring intelligence
that did not support his view.
So...the 200k+ people he's gassed isn't proof enough for you? Wow. You obviously haevn't seen pics of the mas graves our soldiers have uncovered. Go do some research and get facts that support your arguement. :thumbdown

There has been a continue "file" if you will on Saddam. There is a long list of reasons we we should have and did remove him. Clinton was in office for how many years and kept saying he was going to get Saddam. He never did.

 

[Rhadamanthus]

yes we removed saddam. Give yourself a pat on the back. But did we remove saddam because he was an inhumane tyranicle ruler or because his country has lots of oil? Bush just used the fact that he was tyrant to go into Iraq. That's not the reason we're there.