Wehrwolfen
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Oh dear, here we go again. Don't you want to let those poor people die off before they empty the treasury?Or should we keep everyone alive until they're 120?
by Steven Ertelt
7/29/13
When Congress debated Obamacare, pro-life advocates and Republicans like Sarah Palin were castigated for claiming the government-run health care program would include death panels that would ration health care treatment.
Now, former presidential candidate Howard Dean has essentially admitted they were right and is calling for the repeal of the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB). In a Wall Street Journal op-ed Monday he called the IPAB “essentially a health-care rationing body” that he believes will fail.
“There does have to be control of costs in our health-care system. However, rate setting — the essential mechanism of the IPAB — has a 40-year track record of failure,” Dean wrote.
Dean, who is a healthcare industry representative as a senior adviser at the law and lobbying firm McKenna Long & Aldridge, said his experience as governor of Vermont turned him off to government control of healthcare prices.
Read more:
Howard Dean Admits Obamacare Includes Death Panels, Wants Them Repealed | LifeNews.com
Oh dear, here we go again. Don't you want to let those poor people die off before they empty the treasury? Or should we keep everyone alive until they're 120?
Funny I don't see Dean using the stupid phrase "death panel." Rather the stupid phrase is used by wehr. Go figure.
No...you should just have been HONEST about it. Isnt it funny that when Sarah Palin brought it up you think it was a ridiculous notion. Now that Howard Dean brings it up you are all for letting the worthless people die so they dont drain off the treasury.Oh dear, here we go again. Don't you want to let those poor people die off before they empty the treasury? Or should we keep everyone alive until they're 120?
A completely dishonest article by Life News, Howard Dean wrote about IPAB, not death panels. The author connects death panels by saying: "The IPAB was labeled a 'death panel' by Republicans", but they were wrong then and LifeNews is wrong now.
The truth is that the so-called "death panels" don't exist in the PPACA, but I suppose you can act dumb and think they do. Howard Dean wrote about rate setting problems, not "death panels."Of course the Kool Aide you drink requires you deny the facts even when it comes from a fellow Progressive.
Everyone but you.
No...you should just have been HONEST about it. Isnt it funny that when Sarah Palin brought it up you think it was a ridiculous notion. Now that Howard Dean brings it up you are all for letting the worthless people die so they dont drain off the treasury.
And BTW...I agree...but I dont think we should start with old age or diseased.
The only reason I don't off myself right now is because the cats need a father figure.
Who are you talking to? You quoted me but when did I develop this relationship with Sarah Palin? I've never thought it was a ridiculous notion. I think it's a damn good idea that we lack the courage to face. I'm a Eugenist through and through. Be thankful that I'm not in charge of anything.
Why not start with old age and the diseased? Should we keep everyone alive as long as humanly possible? Or should we invest in the better health of those who are still able to give back to society?
Why start with old people? Hell, many of those "old people" are far more productive than their young malingering counterparts. I'd feel better keepin an old guy alive that is still investing, producing, spending retirement dollars SFC than some 25 year old malingerer invested getting their "disability on" and daring the states. Since you are all for offing people rather than lettin them be a drain on society seems to me your priorities are backward. The old guy...nature will run its course. The young guy...that asshole is out there procreating and creating offspring he can't pay for. .
Money doesn't grow on trees. If the choice is between Grandpa at 90 and a 17-year-old girl who both need a million dollars in care, bye bye Grandpa, it's been great knowing you. If you can't make the hard choices, even the brutal ones, then you are a child not an adult.
There's nothing grand or theoretical about it. It's what we used to call Common Sense, or a Bang for the Buck, in this case literally.You sound like a grand theorist to me.
Why start with old people? Hell, many of those "old people" are far more productive than their young malingering counterparts. I'd feel better keepin an old guy alive that is still investing, producing, spending retirement dollars SFC than some 25 year old malingerer invested getting their "disability on" and daring the states. Since you are all for offing people rather than lettin them be a drain on society seems to me your priorities are backward. The old guy...nature will run its course. The young guy...that asshole is out there procreating and creating offspring he can't pay for. .
But you said "death panels". More dishonesty from the rightwing noise machine.
Howard Dean Admits Obamacare Includes Death Panels, Wants Them Repealed
The only reason I don't off myself right now is because the cats need a father figure.
Who are you talking to? You quoted me but when did I develop this relationship with Sarah Palin? I've never thought it was a ridiculous notion. I think it's a damn good idea that we lack the courage to face. I'm a Eugenist through and through. Be thankful that I'm not in charge of anything.
Why not start with old age and the diseased? Should we keep everyone alive as long as humanly possible? Or should we invest in the better health of those who are still able to give back to society?
I said "Everyone but you". Get the joke?Oh dear, here we go again. Don't you want to let those poor people die off before they empty the treasury? Or should we keep everyone alive until they're 120?
Here's the title of the link. I enlarged the key words for you so you wouldn't miss them. Do you ****ing get it now???? You see where the phrase comes from now? The only noise machine is you. This is the second time I've tried pointing this out to you.
There's nothing grand or theoretical about it. It's what we used to call Common Sense, or a Bang for the Buck, in this case literally.
by Steven Ertelt
7/29/13
When Congress debated Obamacare, pro-life advocates and Republicans like Sarah Palin were castigated for claiming the government-run health care program would include death panels that would ration health care treatment.
Now, former presidential candidate Howard Dean has essentially admitted they were right and is calling for the repeal of the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB). In a Wall Street Journal op-ed Monday he called the IPAB “essentially a health-care rationing body” that he believes will fail.
“There does have to be control of costs in our health-care system. However, rate setting — the essential mechanism of the IPAB — has a 40-year track record of failure,” Dean wrote.
Dean, who is a healthcare industry representative as a senior adviser at the law and lobbying firm McKenna Long & Aldridge, said his experience as governor of Vermont turned him off to government control of healthcare prices.
Read more:
Howard Dean Admits Obamacare Includes Death Panels, Wants Them Repealed | LifeNews.com
You said,
I said "Everyone but you". Get the joke?
I think you may be presuming I'm an advocate of mass murder. There are days...but that's not what I'm really about.
I'm just questioning the amount of resources to be used in preserving the elderly. Certainly they should get health care but do we need to use extraordinary measures to gain a few more months of life? Shouldn't there be some sort of cap for the use of public resources? Your example 25 year old slacker also. Once we've spent - I don't know - a million dollars on you then why should we continue to fund your decrepit body? If you have your own resources, you can outlive Methuselah for all I care but giving a 96 year old man a new pacemaker because the model changed is becoming an increasing problem.
If I live as long as my Father did, the treasury will have paid me $875K for the $180K I put in (not even allowing for COL increases). How many of me can you afford?
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