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How would you rate elon musk as businessman /engineer?

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Eh 70% His failures were due to his ego getting ahead of himself and not listening to the scientists.
 
As an engineer I'd give him high marks. As a CEO he's a train wreck. He's immature and reactionary, the worst type of person to be leading that large a company.

Two big examples: calling one of the people who rescued Thai children from the cave a 'pedo'. Sure the guy criticized Elon first, but CEO's need to be a little more grown up than Elon's response would indicate.

The other example was his assertion last year that Tesla's stock price was too high. That is boldfaced stock manipulation and an irresponsible attack on the capitalization of Tesla. If I was an investor I'd be screaming for his head.

If Tesla's board wasn't populated by his friends and relatives he'd likely have been replaced by now.
 
Allan said:
As an engineer I'd give him high marks. As a CEO he's a train wreck. He's immature and reactionary, the worst type of person to be leading that large a company.

Two big examples: calling one of the people who rescued Thai children from the cave a 'pedo'. Sure the guy criticized Elon first, but CEO's need to be a little more grown up than Elon's response would indicate.

The other example was his assertion last year that Tesla's stock price was too high. That is boldfaced stock manipulation and an irresponsible attack on the capitalization of Tesla. If I was an investor I'd be screaming for his head.

If Tesla's board wasn't populated by his friends and relatives he'd likely have been replaced by now.
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Yeah. He's a lousy CEO/leader. But there's plenty of people who are highly successful businesspersons but lousy CEO/leaders.
 
Allan said:
As an engineer I'd give him high marks. As a CEO he's a train wreck. He's immature and reactionary, the worst type of person to be leading that large a company.
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Hyperloop wants to say hello.
 
bluesmoke said:
Yeah. He's a lousy CEO/leader. But there's plenty of people who are highly successful businesspersons but lousy CEO/leaders.
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Yup. Elon, who's clearly a genius and visionary inventor, joins a long list of people who were poor managers but changed the world.
 
Allan said:
Yup. Elon, who's clearly a genius and visionary inventor, joins a long list of people who were poor managers but changed the world.
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And is now the richest man in the world. As of Mar 2020, he was 20th.
 
In this old thread people appear to think he's a bad CEO.
 
CaughtInThe said:
In this old thread people appear to think he's a bad CEO.
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What makes the "appearance" of a bad CEO, does that fit Musk, and what makes the appearance of a good CEO?
 
ASHES said:
He's just a grifter passing off old ideas as new inventions.
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Exactly. Trust fund baby and the offspring of an asshole.

Per Elon, Errol is "brilliant at engineering." As Ashlee Vance wrote in his book, "Elon Musk: Tesla, SpaceX, and the Quest for a Fantastic Future," it was Errol's engineering business that netted him "one of the biggest houses in Pretoria [South Africa]." The business was so expansive it amassed "large projects such as office buildings, retail complexes, residential subdivisions, and an air force base" (via InsideHook).

Errol also, at one point, owned an emerald mine, a source of much controversy, particularly given that the Musks were a white family during apartheid South Africa. But Errol was himself prone to violence — he was allegedly charged with manslaughter when he shot and killed three in a group of people who broke into his Johannesburg home. He later got off on the charges due to self-defense.


Read More: https://www.thelist.com/406823/what-we-know-about-elon-musks-father/?utm_campaign=clip
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Allan said:
As an engineer I'd give him high marks.
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High marks for what, exactly? He bought a company started by engineers and paid for the "founder" title. He doesn't design cars.
 
Allan said:
As an engineer I'd give him high marks. As a CEO he's a train wreck. He's immature and reactionary, the worst type of person to be leading that large a company.
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Musk isn’t an engineer. He hires engineers.
 
I used to be all gaga over him because I was convinced that it was just a question of time before he would unleash something like THIS on America.

Qiantu unveils K20 $13,000 two-seat electric car

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Oh sure, it's likely that such a car would probably be more like 18 to 22 thousand here in the USA, but STILL, a cheap electric car that almost ANYONE with a job could manage to buy.
I was 100 percent sure that a cheap Tesla for the masses would be JUST AROUND the CORNER, any day now.

Well, it's been a DECADE since the first super expensive Teslas hit the streets.
They started out expensive because that's what high tech is all about, expensive at first, then cheaper as the rollout scales up.
The first Teslas were expensive playtoys for rich people.
And what is he offering now, ten years later?

MORE EXPENSIVE PLAYTOYS for rich people.
The cheapest Tesla you can get your hands on is a razor's margin away from forty thousand.

Sorry, that's not a world changer, it's an expensive toy, and as long as these cars are priced in that range, that's what they will continue to be, expensive toys for rich people.
And so I really couldn't care less about a wealthy CEO who sells bling to rich people while trying to take over a social media platform to whine about being taxed too much.
 
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He's doing some really awesome things for space exploration.

That's really all I give a crap about, as regards Elon. Leave him alone and in fifty years we'll have a Mars colony and asteroid mining and it will be to everyone's benefit.
 
Goshin said:
He's doing some really awesome things for space exploration.

That's really all I give a crap about, as regards Elon. Leave him alone and in fifty years we'll have a Mars colony and asteroid mining and it will be to everyone's benefit.
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He is quite an interesting character and has no problem putting his billions of dollars in visions he believes in.
 
bluesmoke said:
What makes the "appearance" of a bad CEO, does that fit Musk, and what makes the appearance of a good CEO?
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We only know in retrospect.

Jack Welch was thought to be one of the most visionary CEOs in America after turning General Electric around. And then the company imploded and his legacy was carefully reexamined. Musk may look terrible now, but twenty years from now? He may be one of the stolid titans of industry that people grow to love and respect like an Andrew Carnegie. Not bloody likely in my opinion, but who knows?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I used to be all gaga over him because I was convinced that it was just a question of time before he would unleash something like THIS on America.

Qiantu unveils K20 $13,000 two-seat electric car

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Oh sure, it's likely that such a car would probably be more like 18 to 22 thousand here in the USA, but STILL, a cheap electric car that almost ANYONE with a job could manage to buy.
I was 100 percent sure that a cheap Tesla for the masses would be JUST AROUND the CORNER, any day now.

Well, it's been a DECADE since the first super expensive Teslas hit the streets.
They started out expensive because that's what high tech is all about, expensive at first, then cheaper as the rollout scales up.
The first Teslas were expensive playtoys for rich people.
And what is he offering now, ten years later?

MORE EXPENSIVE PLAYTOYS for rich people.
The cheapest Tesla you can get your hands on is a razor's margin away from forty thousand.

Sorry, that's not a world changer, it's an expensive toy, and as long as these cars are priced in that range, that's what they will continue to be, expensive toys for rich people.
And so I really couldn't care less about a wealthy CEO who sells bling to rich people while trying to take over a social media platform to whine about being taxed too much.
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Also, right now, the batteries last 10 years, or 100,000 miles. Then, you have a massive expense to replace the battery .

Now, there is some technology getting very close that will have a battery that will last up to 300,000 miles, and be cheaper than the lithium ion batteries. When that happens, you will see a much stronger migration to EV's.
 
It appears Elon thinks his “wealth” give him legitimacy To beak off about whatever he thinks is relevant. Now that he has tasted the spotlight, he cannot help himself. I cannot get excited over the “space shots.” Bezos and Musk have managed to build recoverable, (by parachute,) bottle rockets that will hold a few billionaires. We did that in the early 1960s. I will admit to a certain respect for the “recoverable” vehicles that return to a launch pad on their own, without the aid of a parachute.
 
RAMOSS said:
He has gotten a degree in physics.
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A degree in physics can get you a job as an engineer. It doesn't have to be a Physics Engineering degree.
 
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