How will the maga war on education ensure that all kids get access to a good education ?

[Bodecea]

Common Core was tied to funding in several ways:


That's truth, and when there is money tied to it? control and strings come with the $$$$$$$$$$$$ to

you want the money? join common core no want to join? no money

So there was a choice. Thank you for agreeing.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

non sequitur

Not at all. If the states stopped sucking up the federal money, they could run their schools anyway they saw fit.

 

[Bodecea]

Yes. I am sure they can also tell that the world is flat just by looking at the flat horizon. They don't need no eggheads telling them it's round. Just common sense. Duh.

And don't forget the chemtrails......

 

[ataraxia]

That's another example of the pseudo science being taught as factual.

How are you defining "pseudoscience"? It's in the peer reviewed literature.

Face masks help control transmission of COVID-19 - PubMed

Face masks help control transmission of COVID-19

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[ttwtt78640]

Teachers are given a curriculum by their school boards.

Once again, take it up with the voters in the local communities.

Oh no, parents that didn’t care about their kids education enough to pay attention prior to COVID are “waking up” and going to go yell at school board meetings.

Yawn. Been watching that play out for years. Who cares? Let them yell and let them change their school board or curriculums or whatever.

Another tactic is to find as inexpensive as possible place to move to in a better school district. It will cost you more, but not as much as private school tuition - especially if you have multiple children. My girlfriend did that for the benefit of her three daughters.

 

[BirdinHand]

Another tactic is to find as inexpensive as possible place to move to in a better school district. It will cost you more, but not as much as private school tuition - especially if you have multiple children. My girlfriend did that for the benefit of her three daughters.

Yep.

Good school districts tend to also drive higher property value in their districts.

I suspect many people actually complaining about schools don’t tend to actually have kids in those schools though. I also wonder how many could tell you any actual details about their own local school district.

I suspect not many.

 

[stealthycat]

So there was a choice. Thank you for agreeing.

sure - most things are a choice

but when you stack the odd's so much in favor of making one of the other? kinds removes choice ... like the covid shots? Men/husbands couldn't lose their jobs - they HAD to take the shots ......... COULD they have allowed their kids to go hungry, bills not paid etc ?

sure

was it REALLY a choice? not really

 

[Captain Adverse]

How will it improve ? Kids from Florida are taught fake history that would only be accepable in a Florida University.
Teaching that slavery id good for you and banning books is not a rounded education.

What are you on about? Provide some facts, direct links. Don't presume we all know what you are talking about.

Let me hazard a guess though... Perhaps factual information showing that slaves were expected to be useful to their then masters? That they were taught methods of farming, smithing/iron working, construction skills, animal husbandry, furniture construction, wood working, and so on?

Are you arguing that these "skills" were not marketable when slavery was abolished? That those freed who may have been given land to farm already had the hard experience to make it work? Those who sought work in construction, or in jobs making clothes and other sundries were able to do so easily?

The people who have these crazzy ideas will be in charge.

The people at the local level will be in charge.

The idea of the Dept. of Education was to create some basic standards nationwide. You know, like reading levels per age group, understanding of mathematics per age group, basic science knowledge per age group. etc. Try to develop standardized testing to provide base lines of area knowledge.

It was not created to fund teachers' unions, or push DEI, ESG, or any other racial, sexual, self-identity bull crap.

Since it has not been doing its job, why keep it around?

 

[eohrnberger]

What are you on about? Provide some facts, direct links. Don't presume we all know what you are talking about.

Let me hazard a guess though... Perhaps factual information showing that slaves were expected to be useful to their then masters? That they were taught methods of farming, smithing/iron working, construction skills, animal husbandry, furniture construction, wood working, and so on?

Are you arguing that these "skills" were not marketable when slavery was abolished? That those freed who may have been given land to farm already had the hard experience to make it work? Those who sought work in construction, or in jobs making clothes and other sundries were able to do so easily?



The people at the local level will be in charge.

The idea of the Dept. of Education was to create some basic standards nationwide. You know, like reading levels per age group, understanding of mathematics per age group, basic science knowledge per age group. etc. Try to develop standardized testing to provide base lines of area knowledge.

It was not created to fund teachers' unions, or push DEI, ESG, or any other racial, sexual, self-identity bull crap.

This most certainly the case.

Since it has not been doing its job, why keep it around?

Agreed, since the US spends far more per pupil than any other nation, yet its test results are middle of the pack and going down.
What are the US tax payers getting for their money?

 

[trixare4kids]

What are you on about? Provide some facts, direct links. Don't presume we all know what you are talking about.

Let me hazard a guess though... Perhaps factual information showing that slaves were expected to be useful to their then masters? That they were taught methods of farming, smithing/iron working, construction skills, animal husbandry, furniture construction, wood working, and so on?

Are you arguing that these "skills" were not marketable when slavery was abolished? That those freed who may have been given land to farm already had the hard experience to make it work? Those who sought work in construction, or in jobs making clothes and other sundries were able to do so easily?



The people at the local level will be in charge.

The idea of the Dept. of Education was to create some basic standards nationwide. You know, like reading levels per age group, understanding of mathematics per age group, basic science knowledge per age group. etc. Try to develop standardized testing to provide base lines of area knowledge.

It was not created to fund teachers' unions, or push DEI, ESG, or any other racial, sexual, self-identity bull crap.

Since it has not been doing its job, why keep it around?

I support all of the above. The truth is there are increasing numbers of teachers becoming disillusioned with their teachers' unions. If they could, they'd quit them.

 

[NolanVoyd]

I support all of the above. The truth is there are increasing numbers of teachers becoming disillusioned with their teachers' unions. If they could, they'd quit them.

That's not the truth.

 

[BirdinHand]

The idea of the Dept. of Education was to create some basic standards nationwide

No, it wasn’t.

 

[trixare4kids]

That's not the truth.

Teachers Across America Reveal Increasing Desire to Quit the Big Unions​

• Press
• August 31, 2023

(WASHINGTON, D.C.) – As educators and students enter the annual “Back to School” season, hundreds of teachers are returning to their classrooms armed with information to help them be more effective voices for their workplace rights and their students’ educational careers: they’re standing up to the national teachers’ unions political agendas and putting their students’ needs first.
The 2023-24 school year begins on the heels of politically charged annual conventions by the National Education Association (NEA) and American Federation of Teachers (AFT), both of which focused their meetings on non-education subject matters such as climate activism, racial division, gender-affirmation in the classroom and a “robust 2024 election strategy that centers LGBT issues”.
The Freedom Foundation recently conducted its inaugural Teacher Freedom Summit in Denver, bringing together 200 teachers from across the country to build support for teachers who value a strong education system for kids over woke political indoctrination in the classroom. Teachers were informed about their workplace representation and legal rights as well as alternatives to teachers’ unions like the NEA and AFT.
“I couldn’t be happier with the outcome of our first teacher summit. It was a huge success and exceeded all expectations” declared Aaron Withe, CEO of the Freedom Foundation. “Based on positive feedback from conference attendees, it is clear teachers want to make this an annual event that grows in attendance every year.”
“As a former teacher, I was deeply touched to see how emotional some of our guests became when they realized they have like-minded friends in the teaching profession who share their priorities and values. As teachers quickly learned during the conference, they aren’t alone in their desire to leave the NEA and AFT and stop funding a radical agenda they don’t support,” added Eloise Smith, Freedom Foundation director of teacher engagement.

For the rest, here's the link: https://www.freedomfoundation.com/t...eal-increasing-desire-to-quit-the-big-unions/

 

[NolanVoyd]

Lol.

Do you have a credible source?

Why are you so gullible?

How did you read that and think it was credible?

 

[Noodlegawd]

This seems like a hammer to crack a nut. Trump has installed a wrestling lady to close down the dept of education and presumably transfer its undertakings to the various states.
Will the states be ready to assume control.?

Education in many states seems to be in the hands of ideological lunatics. How will the interests of the children be safeguarded ? In particular the poorer children.

How will a qualification awarded by Florida, for example, be rated by employers alomgside a qualification issued by a normal state ? It all seems very problematic.

What is the "Maga War on Education," exactly?

 

[NatMorton]

How many States have unionized teachers? How do those States compare to non unionized States?

All states have teachers unions, only a handful have less 50% of their public school teachers in unions. The large population states -- e.g. NY, CA, IL, NJ -- all have unionization above 90%. Most importantly, in the schools that struggle the most -- urban public schools -- it's effectively 100% if you exclude public charter schools.

 

[eohrnberger]

I support all of the above. The truth is there are increasing numbers of teachers becoming disillusioned with their teachers' unions. If they could, they'd quit them.

Some right to work need be applied.

 

[trouble13]

How are you defining "pseudoscience"? It's in the peer reviewed literature.

Face masks help control transmission of COVID-19 - PubMed

Face masks help control transmission of COVID-19

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I am not wasting my time reading all your links and dissecting each of them point by point.

However this excerpt is from the 1st sentence in your first link...

however, the protective efficiency of such masks against airborne transmission of infectious severe acute respiratory syndrome CoV-2 (SARS-CoV-2) droplets/aerosols is unknown.

They dont know its efficency but turn around and tell us that we masks protect us. Thats not science. Its an opinion not based on a repeated result through controlled experimentation (which is science)

Using a mask to protect oneself is about as effective as trying to protect oneself from marbles being thrown at you by standing behind a chain link fence.

 

[anatta]

That’s probably true, but was mostly the result of discovering that ‘social promotion’, combined with grade inflation, improved graduation rates.

with due respect i think you mean after the DOW these deleterious factors became common.at least at high school and grade school if you didn't have the grades you didn't pass - again before DOE

 

[anatta]

How demand and administrative costs are driving up the cost of college

Between 1980 and 2023, the average price of college tuition, fees and room and board increased by 155%, according to the National Center for Education Statistics.

www.cbsnews.com

student loans actually drive up education costs

"We can't just be telling people a bachelor's degree at any cost is the golden ticket," Akers said. "That's the message they've been getting. And so people are signing on the dotted line, basically at whatever price it takes to get them in."

We spend about 70% of our budget on faculty and staff," she told CBS News.

Many colleges and universities now operate like small cities, and some critics say that's led to administrative bloat. There are now three times as many administrators and staffers as there are teaching faculty at leading schools, according to an August 2023 report from the Progressive Policy Institute.

 

[NolanVoyd]

student loans actually drive up education costs

Yeah. By increasing demand. By making it possible for the lower class to get higher education.

"We can't just be telling people a bachelor's degree at any cost is the golden ticket," Akers said. "That's the message they've been getting. And so people are signing on the dotted line, basically at whatever price it takes to get them in."

Over a lifetime, individuals with a Bachelor's degree make 84% more than those with only a high school diploma.

(Granted that is the average, and it varies by degree)

We spend about 70% of our budget on faculty and staff," she told CBS News.

What else would they spend it on?

A college is a collection of buildings where students go to be taught by professors.

it makes sense that the biggest chunk of the budget is the faculty, and the people that maintain the property.

Many colleges and universities now operate like small cities, and some critics say that's led to administrative bloat. There are now three times as many administrators and staffers as there are teaching faculty at leading schools, according to an August 2023 report from the Progressive Policy Institute.

That one I agree with you on.

Administrators or important. Good ones are worth their weight in gold. But that ratio is ridiculous.

 

[panic buyer]

What are you on about? Provide some facts, direct links. Don't presume we all know what you are talking about.

Let me hazard a guess though... Perhaps factual information showing that slaves were expected to be useful to their then masters? That they were taught methods of farming, smithing/iron working, construction skills, animal husbandry, furniture construction, wood working, and so on?

Are you arguing that these "skills" were not marketable when slavery was abolished? That those freed who may have been given land to farm already had the hard experience to make it work? Those who sought work in construction, or in jobs making clothes and other sundries were able to do so easily?



The people at the local level will be in charge.

The idea of the Dept. of Education was to create some basic standards nationwide. You know, like reading levels per age group, understanding of mathematics per age group, basic science knowledge per age group. etc. Try to develop standardized testing to provide base lines of area knowledge.

It was not created to fund teachers' unions, or push DEI, ESG, or any other racial, sexual, self-identity bull crap.

Since it has not been doing its job, why keep it around?

I shouldnt really have to explain this but.
There is no way that the horrors of slavery can be balanced out by learning to shoe the Massas horse,
You people consider wearing a mask to be an infringement of your freedom. But you seem cool with actual slavery.
Breathtaking.

 

[Captain Adverse]

I shouldnt really have to explain this but.
There is no way that the horrors of slavery can be balanced out by learning to shoe the Massas horse,
You people consider wearing a mask to be an infringement of your freedom. But you seem cool with actual slavery.
Breathtaking.

That is about the dumbest, least insightful, most biased evaluation of what I posted you could have arrived at, which were simply some of the facts about skills taught to slaves that later served them after being freed.

You clearly let your confirmation biases affect your views, while ignoring the facts provided for the purpose of the post you responded to.

Typical Liberal whining and crying seeking to score virtue points while missing the actual point.

Tagline time.

 

[OrphanSlug]

I am struggling with the idea that MAGA Republicans would even consider "all kids" receiving "a good education," might be a better statement to say MAGA Republicans are interested in *some or the right kids" receiving a good education.

Just that slight change explains why MAGA Republicans tend to target The US Department of Education, various State Education agencies and teacher's unions, promote education voucher systems, etc. That is all designed to ensure only certain kids obtain an education and everyone else has to make due with less resources.

Now I will stipulate that The US Department of Education and even teacher's unions are doing a terrible job of influencing how our kids are educated, just a casual observance of how the US ranks against like nations in reading comprehension, math, and science suggests between the lot of Democratic and Republican influences over the years all we've done is lower the bar, hand our participation trophies, and crank out future generations of uneducated, entitled, narcissistic idiots.

 

[CharisRose]

Does Trump live rent-free in your head?

imho The answer to that question is ~ yes for multiple people.