How will the maga war on education ensure that all kids get access to a good education ?

[Bodecea]

If that is the case, they do need to be busted.

Why? Because they look out for their members? Is that why? You want teachers treated poorly? Isn't there already a shortage because of how teachers are treated?

 

[Bodecea]

Which seems to be a potential side effect of closing the federal DOE.

I’ve heard “block grants” of money being sent to them as an alternative. Which would definitely have less oversight.

Like all the money that was misused for COVID relief?

 

[Bodecea]

Its true, academically the US falls further and further behind Asian countries.

And how is that being measured?

(Keep in mind, most other countries only measure their college-bound track students while the US measures ALL students including special ed students and those who don't even want to be tested)

 

[Visbek]

Your concern seems to be limited to keeping what is intact, while mine is to come up with an improved system.

Your "system" is completely unworkable. Thus, it does not qualify as an "improvement."

 

[Lord of Planar]

Why? Because they look out for their members? Is that why? You want teachers treated poorly? Isn't there already a shortage because of how teachers are treated?

If they are going to protect teachers that should be fired, then they are harmful to out children.

 

[Bodecea]

This is sufficient evidence to deny FAFSA funds to all students from Texas and all schools in Texas.

They WILL follow the constitution, or they will not get federal assistance.

It's also a good reason to ban all college teams from Texas from participating in sports. Same for professional sports teams.

Until Texas falls in line with the constitution, they are cut off.

Texas keeps talking about seceding. They should do so and the US should let them go. A win/win situation.

 

[Bodecea]

I'll be interested in how red states fund their K-12 schools, and if state taxes allocated for education is equally equitable in all state school districts.

I know it's not so in my red county in NV....they have a school in the poorest part that is COMPLETELY ignored by the school board and relies on donation from groups like our DAR.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Your "system" is completely unworkable. Thus, it does not qualify as an "improvement."

That’s how I was able to attend college. My tuition (not including books or other student fees) expense was reimbursed 100% for a grade of A or B and 75% for a grade of C by my employer (at the end of each semester). I was working the 4PM to midnight shift so I could attend classes during the day.

 

[Bodecea]

The union does not need to be busted. It just needs to fall in line with what unions were in the 70's. Every union I have seen today is ever protective of bad members.

WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO UNION PRIDE?

It no linger exists. Now unions do nothing but extract as much as they can, without considering that the bad people they protect brings them all down as a group.

"protective of bad members".....how do you know they are bad members? You know it's the union that makes sure there are proper hearings for tenured teachers accused of.....whatever. You don't like that?

 

[Lord of Planar]

"protective of bad members".....how do you know they are bad members?

From time to time, there are.

You know it's the union that makes sure there are proper hearings for tenured teachers accused of.....whatever. You don't like that?

Hearings are fine. it helps prove some should be fired. It is still next to impossible to do so.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Common Core was not a Federal program.

national initiative

Yes, the Common Core was tied to funding in several ways:

• Race to the Top
  The Obama administration's Race to the Top program offered states between $40 and $50 million to adopt the Common Core. The program was intended to help states improve academic content standards and assessments. The Education Department made it clear that adopting the Common Core was the best way to meet the program's requirements.
  
  
• Consortia
  The federal government gave grants to two nonprofit consortia to develop Common Core assessments:
  
  • Partnership for Assessment of Readiness for College and Careers
    
    
  • Smarter Balanced
    
    
  • State adoption: Most states that adopted the Common Core joined one of these consortia and used the tests they created.
    
• Funding from other sources
  The Common Core was also supported by funding from:
  
  • The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which provided over $160 million
    
    
  • Pearson Publishing Company
    
    
  • The Charles Stewart Mott Foundation
    

However, the Every Student Succeeds Act of 2015 prohibited the Department of Education from influencing states to adopt the Common Core.

 

[Callen]

national initiative

Yes, the Common Core was tied to funding in several ways:

• Race to the Top
  The Obama administration's Race to the Top program offered states between $40 and $50 million to adopt the Common Core. The program was intended to help states improve academic content standards and assessments. The Education Department made it clear that adopting the Common Core was the best way to meet the program's requirements.
  
  
• Consortia
  The federal government gave grants to two nonprofit consortia to develop Common Core assessments:
  • Partnership for Assessment of Readiness for College and Careers
    
    
  • Smarter Balanced
    
    
  • State adoption: Most states that adopted the Common Core joined one of these consortia and used the tests they created.
• Funding from other sources
  The Common Core was also supported by funding from:
  • The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which provided over $160 million
    
    
  • Pearson Publishing Company
    
    
  • The Charles Stewart Mott Foundation

However, the Every Student Succeeds Act of 2015 prohibited the Department of Education from influencing states to adopt the Common Core.

It was not a federal program and it wasn't even national . Yes there may have been some research grants etc...but it was a program initiated and administered by several State Governors

" The Common Core State Standards Initiative, also known as simply Common Core, was an American, multi-state educational initiative begun in 2010 with the goal of increasing consistency across state standards, or what K–12 students throughout the United States should know in English language arts and mathematics at the conclusion of each school grade. The initiative was sponsored by the National Governors Association and the Council of Chief State School Officers.

The initiative also sought to provide states and schools with articulated expectations around the skills students graduating from high school needed in order to be prepared to enter credit-bearing courses at two- or four-year college programs or to enter the workforce.[1]"

 

[Risky Thicket]

For starters, to characterize Trump education policy as a "war on education", is dishonest and deceptive. Secondly, the current system certainly doesn't guarantee access to a good education, far from it. So, why would you be against trying to improve our public education system, and why do libs fight against allowing kids access to better schools?

So you advocate federalizing education? Or are you saying we don’t need a standardized measurement? Or are you advocating vouchers for privately run schools? How would you handle equal and appropriate education for disabled students?

What exactly are you proposing?

 

[BirdinHand]

For starters, to characterize Trump education policy as a "war on education", is dishonest and deceptive. Secondly, the current system certainly doesn't guarantee access to a good education, far from it. So, why would you be against trying to improve our public education system, and why do libs fight against allowing kids access to better schools?

What do you mean by “access to better schools”? Who does not want better schools?

Libs certainly do. Americans in general certainly do.

So much so, that written into every single state constitution - states have guaranteed every child in their own state has access to public education. That’s how much we value it.

Every state. In their own constitutions.

So fix the schools. States are obligated to do such. And to abide FAPE and IDEA and the 14th Amendment while doing so.

 

[Visbek]

That’s how I was able to attend college.

It worked for you, therefore it will work for nearly 50 million Americans? Nope. That's not how reality works.

 

[hecatmoggie]

It was not a federal program and it wasn't even national . Yes there may have been some research grants etc...but it was a program initiated and administered by several State Governors

" The Common Core State Standards Initiative, also known as simply Common Core, was an American, multi-state educational initiative begun in 2010 with the goal of increasing consistency across state standards, or what K–12 students throughout the United States should know in English language arts and mathematics at the conclusion of each school grade. The initiative was sponsored by the National Governors Association and the Council of Chief State School Officers.

The initiative also sought to provide states and schools with articulated expectations around the skills students graduating from high school needed in order to be prepared to enter credit-bearing courses at two- or four-year college programs or to enter the workforce.[1]"

Common Core was tied to funding in several ways:


That's truth, and when there is money tied to it? control and strings come with the $$$$$$$$$$$$ to

you want the money? join common core no want to join? no money

 

[Callen]

Common Core was tied to funding in several ways:


That's truth, and when there is money tied to it? control and strings come with the $$$$$$$$$$$$ to

you want the money? join common core no want to join? no money

That isn't factual ....you really don't do wrong well.

"It is important to note that development of the Common Core State Standards occurred free of any federal involvement. No federal officials served on the working teams or feedback groups, nor were any federal funds used to support the creation process at any point."

Federal Overreach? Common Core Is – and Always Has Been – a State and Local Initiative | Collaborative for Student Success

Seven years ago, state leaders identified a problem: inconsistent and low academic standards created big discrepancies in classroom expectations and student achievement. So leaders from across the country got to work. The National Governors Association and the Council of Chief State School...

forstudentsuccess.org

 

[trouble13]

Evolutionary biology is not pseudo science. Neither is climate change science. Neither is vaccine technology. Neither is the separation of church and state in the United States.

I am cutting you some slack because you sound like you recieved your education from a gov school. Your ignorance isn't entirely your fault. The fact is that some of what rattled off is pseudo science and the fact that you don't realize it is making my point for me.

 

[ttwtt78640]

It worked for you, therefore it will work for nearly 50 million Americans? Nope. That's not how reality works.

If federal student loans worked then why was there federal student loan ‘forgiveness’?

 

[ataraxia]

I am cutting you some slack because you sound like you recieved your education from a gov school. Your ignorance isn't entirely your fault. The fact is that some of what rattled off is pseudo science and the fact that you don't realize it is making my point for me.

Yes. We need to be properly educated like home-schooled MAGA and go chasing after cancer causing wind turbines and autism causing polio vaccines.

 

[trouble13]

They do? Who is "they" and do you have any examples of pseudo science being taught?

How many genders do they teach exist?

 

[panic buyer]

As long as teaching is to the lowest common denominator, teachers should be paid to the lowest common denominator.

How do you hope to recruit well qualified teachers if you pay them peanuts ? Your proposal is inevitably self defeating.

 

[trouble13]

Yes. We need to be properly educated like home-schooled MAGA and go chasing after cancer causing wind turbines and autism causing polio vaccines.

At least those who are home schooled can tell the difference between a man and woman unlike their gov educated counterparts

 

[Lord of Planar]

How do you hope to recruit well qualified teachers if you pay them peanuts ? Your proposal is inevitably self defeating.

What I said is conditional.

Read backwards to the start,

 

[Risky Thicket]

If they are going to protect teachers that should be fired, then they are harmful to out children.

Everything you have said so far is based on supposition.

You expect knowledgeable people to respond to the voices in your head. Keep on posting gibberish, just don't expect educated answers that will address and satisfy your spitball approach.