How we know democrats are full of crap

[Greenbeard]

ACA started in 2010 or 2011. The plan was Obamacare silver plan. The deductible was 20k per year lol.

It passed in 2010, none of the subsidies or the significant insurance regulations (including the creation of metal tier plans) happened until 2014. You were trying to buy in the pre-ACA market. The thing the ACA was created to fix.

I provided a couple paragraphs from a couple links that explained that while not characteristic things were much different pre 2014 when deductible limits were installed.

No kidding things were different before the ACA was implemented, that's why it was created. The pre-ACA individual insurance market was shit, that was the impetus for reforming it.

I have researched until blue in the face and cannot find anything other than the silver plan did not exist until 2014.

Precisely, silver plans didn't exist until 2014. Because, for all intents and purposes here, Obamacare didn't exist until 2014.

Since the only time I shopped for health insurance was during the period I explained earlier, the silver plan had to exist. My business opened in 2014 and I already had switched to my wife’s insurance. Obamacare started in 2010 so it had to be 2010 to 2013. I have written down on my notes Obamacare silver plan. Premium for me was 660 per month certainly NOT the numbers for a catastrophic plan that still existed back then. I have circled silver plan with a circled sarcastic note I must have wrote while being quoted “imagine what the Gold plan would cost”. Again I really don’t give a shit if you believe me or not. What I said was true. My premiums exploded and the coverage was unusable. Many things have changed since I got that quote except that our insurance premiums today are still higher than giraffe *****.

None of this is a matter of belief. Legal limits on out-of-pocket liability (including deductibles) have existed since the ACA went into effect in 2014, those are a matter of public record, not belief. For that matter, the premiums and deductibles of all ACA marketplace plans, going back to the first ones in 2014, are available for inspection. For many, many reasons, having any basic knowledge about any of this makes it very easy to spot bullshit stories.

You've been telling this bullshit story for a while, about how the ACA ruined your situation and all you had available were some awful ACA plans. Now, this late in the game, it becomes clear that your story (assuming any of it actually happened) is about trying to navigate the pre-Obamacare insurance market.

You simply cannot give something for reduced or free to one group while charging more to another without the price exploding for the ones who have to pay. It’s what I said from the beginning and it remains 100 percent correct.

Your story literally has nothing to do with that. How is this not clear to you by now?

The insurance salesman actually said to me that the premiums are high because I don’t qualify for any subsidies. So that pretty much makes me believe that there were subsidies in place back then.

I admire your commitment to the bit, but obviously this isn't subject to opinion or recollection. ACA premium subsidies did not exist prior to 2014. Nor did ACA plans or ACA marketplaces. Your story is not about the ACA, it's about the world the ACA was created to fix.

 

[Jay59]

It passed in 2010, none of the subsidies or the significant insurance regulations (including the creation of metal tier plans) happened until 2014. You were trying to buy in the pre-ACA market. The thing the ACA was created to fix.

That's a telling point.

They avoided the 2012 election and rolled out during the 2014 campaign.

No kidding things were different before the ACA was implemented, that's why it was created. The pre-ACA individual insurance market was shit, that was the impetus for reforming it.
Precisely, silver plans didn't exist until 2014. Because, for all intents and purposes here, Obamacare didn't exist until 2014.
None of this is a matter of belief. Legal limits on out-of-pocket liability (including deductibles) have existed since the ACA went into effect in 2014, those are a matter of public record, not belief. For that matter, the premiums and deductibles of all ACA marketplace plans, going back to the first ones in 2014, are available for inspection. For many, many reasons, having any basic knowledge about any of this makes it very easy to spot bullshit stories.
You've been telling this bullshit story for a while, about how the ACA ruined your situation and all you had available were some awful ACA plans. Now, this late in the game, it becomes clear that your story (assuming any of it actually happened) is about trying to navigate the pre-Obamacare insurance market.
Your story literally has nothing to do with that. How is this not clear to you by now?
I admire your commitment to the bit, but obviously this isn't subject to opinion or recollection. ACA premium subsidies did not exist prior to 2014. Nor did ACA plans or ACA marketplaces. Your story is not about the ACA, it's about the world the ACA was created to fix.

ACA was a disaster, but not an unmitigated disaster.

 

[Greenbeard]

That's a telling point.

They avoided the 2012 election and rolled out during the 2014 campaign.

Get over it.

ACA was a disaster, but not an unmitigated disaster.

Sure. How's that repeal-and-replace coming?

 

[Luckyone]

I believe my own eyes and the facts available.

Let me ask you a question…..How do those 67 judges know if someone illegally filled out and mailed in a mail in ballot? The only evidence was tossed away.

Millions of ballots mailed to every voter. Thousands to the wrong addresses or to voters who had become ineligible. The easiest way to cheat sent out in the millions. That couldn’t explain the abnormally high votes for that election now could it? Oh and coincidentally one of the least energetic candidates with the least campaign enthusiasm, who refused to leave his basement and is dumber than a bag of hammers, just so happened to get 8 million more votes than Barack Obama. That awesome candidate drew millions more voters to the polls than previous elections lol. Get real bud.

Trump's lawyers had the opportunity to present contrary facts and were not able to do it on any of the 67 occasions they had a chance to do so, and then also to the Supreme Court. You actually think that if Trump had any real proof that he would not have provided it?

Having said that, let me give you a common-sense reply. There are always a few people that mail in a fake ballot but that happens in all elections. Nonetheless, such cases in the past have been limited to less that 1,000, meaning not election turning. Biden won the election by 5 million votes. Do you understand that to have so many votes changed, the amount of people involved in doing that is huge. It means that if just ONE of those people involved feels bad about it and decides to "rat out" the people that hired him (the Democrats) and give proof that he had tens of thousands of votes changed, that Trump would have made his point that the election was stolen.

Has ANYONE done that?

No, no one has because there were not tens of thousands of Democrats involved in doing that. As such, such a fraud is impossible.

Think with your brain and not with your ears to what Trump has been trying to "sell to you"!

 

[mike2810]

The ARP triggered massive inflation. Don’t see that improving anything. The opposite is what happened.

inflation was pretty low when Biden left office.
Where is your link to back up what you believe is true?

The infrastructure and jobs act lol. Pathetic and useless.

opinion noted.

Been three years and there is no data on all the jobs created by the chips and science act lol. Only projections lol.

So you have increased inflation, useless infrastructure spending which BTW includes money for the people’s republic of Kalifornia’s high speed rail lol, and maybe some future jobs (projected jobs). Been 3 years and nothing significant yet BTW.

and you provide nothing to back up your opinion. Why is that?

 

[mike2810]

I call them names in retaliation for what your comrades do to my candidates.

Your belief of who my "comrades" are is misplaced.

I see you must live by the two wrongs make it right stance. Why do you lower yourself to the level of those you claim call your candidates' names?
When I call some politician a name I make it clear it is an opinion.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Thousands of rapes and hundreds of murders. I bet you wouldn’t be so flippant if it had affected you personally.

Yeah that sucks. But i am a rational person. Seeking assylum has nothing to do with it.

 

[NolanVoyd]

lol……

“
Yes, Willie Brown has openly acknowledged dating Kamala Harris.

Of course they dated. No one denies that. So freaking what?

you didnt just say they dated. Stop with the lies.

In a 2019 letter published in the San Francisco Chronicle, Brown stated, "Yes, we dated. It was more than 20 years ago."
Brown also acknowledged he "may have influenced her career by appointing her to two state commissions when I was Assembly speaker," adding that he "certainly helped with her first race for district attorney in San Francisco."
According to Reuters, Brown was separated from his wife at the time they dated. The relationship was reportedly not secret. Some reports suggest an open affair. ”

What part is the outright lie? Are you calling me a liar or one of the participants in the affair, willie brown, who admitted it openly?

If I’m so gullible yet correct what does that make you?

Your lie wasnt that they dated. It was how you characterized it. you are not correct. You know that and you are making a fool of yourself.

This was your lie:

"She allowed an old man twice her age, access to her body, for a career boost. This man, Willie Brown, was an extremely politically powerful man. Harris used her beautiful young hard body to get his endorsement. An endorsement that essentially launched her political career."

So can you stop with the lies "bud" or are you going to keep it up?

 

[Luckyone]

Thousands of rapes and hundreds of murders. I bet you wouldn’t be so flippant if it had affected you personally. No matter the innocent victims who you helped victimize don’t care that the numbers are low. Every single one should never have happened. Had Trump won in 2020 most of those would still be alive today.

Yes folks who undermine the government and the people. They are essentially traitors. In your case you support and defend nickyjo.

By Americans (not illegals)



Why is that?

 

[Kushinator]

How many trillions in debt before we collapse master?

You're not even addressing what you chose to quote, and instead are hyperfocused on repeating your nonsense.

 

[Brack]

Do you understand that millions of mail in ballots were mailed to every registered voter in many states don’t you? You do understand that the only thing proving authenticity was tossed in the trash and it was just a signature on the outside of an envelope. The easiest way to cheat period. No way of proving it once the evidence was tossed.

There are just eight states that have universal mail-in ballots. They are California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Vermont and Washington State. Link
Only Nevada out of those 8 states was a battleground state during the 2020 election.

 

[Daddyo]

Politicians tend to stretch the truth on occasion, especially democrats. even Trump told one or two in the primary campaign in 2016.

The difference is when Trump says there are rapists and killers coming across the border it is the truth but because the majority crossing illegally are NOT rapists and killers they try to say Trump exaggerated. Hell they even call him a racist for saying the truth. So which side is truly stretching the truth in my example? Trump for making the truthful statement OR the left for making it seems as if he is calling all illegals rapers and killers or for calling him a racist?

They are far worse than even Trump who is easily republicans worse.

 

[Mika-El]

Trump is being ripped by democrats for his use of tariffs to level the playing field with respect to trade

This is also why it is so easy to destroy democrats in debate.

1. Read your first sentence.
2. Read your second sentence.

Might I suggestthe first sentence makes it very easy to destroy you in debate. Tariffs do not level any playng field when the product the tariffs are placed on are not made in the US. Even when the product being imported and faced with a tariff is in regards to a product the US also makes, it does not necessarily level any playing field.

You would know that if you had any understanding of what tariffs are and how they work. You clearly do not but you do come on this board and start your reponse bragging about how easy democrats are to debate with a false assumption as to how tariffs work and that in a nutshell explains exaftly why you and Magas who still support can not understand the damage he is causing to your own country.

Please carry on.

 

[Mika-El]

Same as it was under Biden. Eggs have dropped a bit.

How is that democrat hypocrisy?

No they are not the same and once again you show you have no clue what it is you present.

https://www.moneytalksnews.com/fact-check-are-grocery-prices-really-down-under-trump/

A Furious Trump Is Learning That Food Prices Are Out of His Control

Why Trump and the Republicans are struggling to lower prices

newrepublic.com

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/17/politics/fact-check-trump-grocery-prices-down

Yah Donny is leveling the playing field as you said.

 

[Mika-El]

So you believe it’s smart to support someone who promises a 10 percent reduction in your income while bitching about someone else for causing a 3 percent increase in costs?

As for us being idiots lol you voted for a guy who we warned you was demented. A guy who opened our border flooding the country with illegals. A guy who caused inflation which increased prices 20 plus percent. A guy who caused fuel prices to explode. A guy who led the Afghanistan debacle. A guy who was so weak that Russia felt that it could invade Ukraine. A guy who removed Russian sanctions. A guy who gave Putin his lucrative pipeline. A guy who believes that men playing against women in sports is ok.

lol I promise you that I’m not dumb enough to vote for that.

...but you did and come on this board to brag about how you did.

Anything else?

 

[Mika-El]

They charge us more than we charge them.

1.Who is they?
2. No ,

a-the tariff is placed on products for the most part the US can not make or produce so your comment makes no sense;

b-when which is rare, the tariffs are placed on foreign products coming in to the us, its precisely because the foreign product is cheaper than the American one Trump places a tariff to increase their prices higher than what American producers charge so you will only buy American products;

c-in regards to b, the American producer is in fact subsidized by your government to rip you off-the tariff will say raise the foreign product to 5.00 from 3.00. The American producer can not increase their product to 4.00, 4.50 and make an extra 1.00 to 1.50 protected by the tariff which is a consumer tax you pay.

Geeziz man wake up. Trump is performinga rectal exam on you with no gloves and you tell everyone you enjoy it. Thanks but I pass. You Magas just make me cringe.

 

[Jay59]

Get over it.

I did say that it was not an unmitigated disaster.

That means bad but not horrible.

Sure. How's that repeal-and-replace coming?

Once the mandate was repealed and the policy standards were loosened, things became more manageable.

Damning by faint praise.

 

[Daddyo]

ROFLMAO.

Much more so than republicans. The so-called border bill they recently failed to get passed during the Biden Administration is a great example. It was largely a big fat lie.

They actually said the border was secure while Fox played live footage of chaos at the border and thousands were crossing daily lol. A flat out lie.

They said protests were peaceful while fires burned in the background. Another lie.

They said Biden was energetic, focused, and engaged lol. Another flat out lie.

They said Hunter Biden’s laptop was Russian disinformation when in fact it was indeed his. Another flat out lie.

Big lies. Country endangering lies. Election changing lies.

 

[Daddyo]

Ok, but anyone I’d free to stop.



Not my side.



Unethical folk of all sorts use lawfare.

What do you think it is when the GOP leader of the Senate uses Senate rules to block a floor vote for a SCOTUS nominee based on “elections have consequences” (a true bastardized notion of the concept, as they certainly do which is why Obama deserved to have his heard as he was the elected holder of the office at the time) when Obama had eight months left in his term, but allow two for Trump with less time left on his if not “lawfare”?

This blatant hypocrisy of you partisans on BOTH sides really crisps my cookies. You’re so ready to call the other guy out on theirs but won’t acknowledge your own.



MAGA’s don’t? More hypocrisy.



MY side puts criminals in prison. If MY side was in charge Trump would have been charged criminally for using a fraudulent charity to steal. He wouldn’t be POTUS now. He’d still be in prison doing his time for using a charity to rip off both the government and people wanting to give to make things better. As prison is where such a person belongs.

You MAGA folk truly need to see the nature of your dog in this hunt. He’s belongs in a cell.

Tell your comrades.

You support Harris?

Who else used the law in an attempt to stop a political opponent from running?

First of all it was Obama who first used the phrase “election have consequences”. He said this as his party rammed everything they wanted through with near zero bipartisanship.

I wasn’t referring to political maneuvering. I was speaking of lawfare. The use of the law against a political opponent to eliminated them from running. Banana republic shit.

Look in the mirror bud and your cookie will be super crisp. All the things you accuse Trump of the democrats actually have done the same or worse. Biden actually admitted to a QPQ. Biden actually was in bed with(as in giving favor to) Russia thru his son Hunter in exchange for money. You accuse trump of election interference for paying a porn whore hush money while Biden colludes with social media to silence conservative voices ahead of the election. Biden also lied about Hunters laptop which polls showed cost Trump the election. Biden also lied about his mental health and his cancer diagnosis. Yet he gets a pass lol, why?

Let’s see….. if my side had the power Biden would be in prison for possessing and disseminating top secret information, both felonies. He would be jailed for collusion and tax evasion. Since his dealings include selling favors to our enemy he would be tried for treason.

As far as the charity issue lol again “you guys” have to nit pick to get anything you can. It’s pure desperation. Another bullshit banana republic lawfare attempt by Leticia James who campaigned on getting Trump lol. Trump donated over 8 million of his own money to that charity and charged nothing for running it. His guilt is having it pay 10,000 for a giant picture of himself which was deemed a campaign donation. He also used 12,000 to buy champagne and sports memorabilia. 8 million donated and 22,000 used wrong and you sit here and suggest that he be jailed for it lol. What a desperate and pathetic thing to say. Or maybe you didn’t know the facts. Real sad bud.

 

[Daddyo]

What McConnell (who I was never a fan of) did in that regard is legal and has been preached by both sides. It is within the rules and does not amount to lawfare. Sicking the FBI, the intelligence services, and the courts on a political opponent in hopes of preventing his entry into a presidential race is lawfare.

Well said.

And it’s the stuff of banana republics.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Tell your comrades.

I’m a FORMER Republican, an old school fiscal conservative and a moderate on social issues. I’ve served my community, my state and if called upon my nation. I’ve been assigned many times as local L.E. support of Presidential security details. I believe in DUTY, In HONOR, in COUNTRY. That I do so is why I feel so strongly in this as I believe the supporting of someone so low on the scale of values, setting new bars of unethical behavior in our federal governing, is a slap in the face to the concept of DUTY, HONOR, COUNTRY, and that people of good character and strong ethics must show their love of this nation by speaking against it.

Please feel free to put that in your pipe and smoke it.

You support Harris?

Only if left with the choice of her or Trump. Give me a better option and I’ll pick it.

Look in the mirror bud …

No, you look in the mirror, and I legitimately say this in kindness as it’s your soul and this nation I’d like to save by saying it: The supporting of a person this low in character and ethics speaks to the character and the ethics of the people doing the supporting. You need to think about that. You MAGA folk are literally telling us who you are.

Do you want Trump’s values and lurid ethics to be your legacy?

 

[Daddyo]

What I described in not a “nanny state”. “We’ll help you along for a given time and expect you to boot strap yourself and contribute to the system that’s going to help the next person after you that needs the same help.”, is not a “nanny state”.

I was fully down with the Gingrich/Clinton compromise on welfare. Five years to get your stuff together then it stops. Lifetime support is only for the disabled who have been robbed by fate ifvthe means to support themselves.



See above. Mine is all about an oath to self-reliance. Nothing lazy about it.

And unless you’re a graduate of the 25 year social science lab class I took part in couple with my studies in “human dynamics” to bolster it I’ll keep my own counsel on the nature of the animal called human. Sorry if that offends. It’s not meant to but I think I can make a strong case.



I agree. That’s the definition of “lip service”. You pretend to care. I thought you knew that.

What municipality or government is currently kicking people off of welfare after 5 years?

Self reliance? We have a cradle to grave nanny state right now. What you want is irrelevant. What we have is a nanny state.

I’m a graduate of the school of believing my own eyes. Give someone welfare and they wont work. Most workers seek to do as little as possible. The smartest and most dangerous animals on this planet, the human. No college needed to figure this shit out.

You said one side pays lip service. That means one side doesn’t. I assumed you were saying that republicans pay lip service and I responded by saying the democrats don’t care either. I thought you would understand that.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

What municipality or government is currently kicking people off of welfare after 5 years?

None. I said the Clinton era. Read please. For a short time that was the nature of the beast. You got help for five years. Look it up.

 

[Daddyo]

However. you never link to any evidence that shows that there was election fraud during the 2020 election.

Link to what? If there was evidence your candidate would have lost. I would be demanding jail for the ones who cheated.

However I did list the issues that build my case. Circumstantial of course. An abnormally shitty and weak candidate and campaign yet it produced numbers that were way above the norm. Millions more votes than usual. Ballots mailed to every voter regardless of possible addresss changes or eligibility changes. Ballots mailed in being the easiest way to cheat. The only cheat prevention, a signature on the outside of the envelope, tossed in the trash. Did I mention the abnormally high vote count for that election cycle? Lame ass candidate draws massive numbers lol……..doesn’t make sense……..unless you factor in the millions of mail in easy cheat ballots. Then they instantly toss the evidence, how convenient.

Also the incumbent never loses if they get more votes than in their first election. Trump got more votes than in his first election.

One example I use to describe the Biden campaigns utter and complete lack of energy and enthusiasm was the turnout to his events. The few events that he actually had as he was being hidden from the public for now obvious mental reasons. In one of those events, a drive up rally here in Tampa, he could only muster up a few dozens cars. His overall turnout was embarrassing actually. He then goes on to garner 81 million votes, millions more than even Obama could manage.

Cheating is the only way to explain this. The opportunity was gift wrapped by democrats in the form of mail in ballots.

 

[Daddyo]

It's not just about audits. It's about actions and optics. First, the democrats used pandemic panic porn to fast-track unsecure mass mailout balloting in several swing states without taking the time to first clean up the voting rolls. The results were many voters receiving multiple ballots. Many married women received a ballot for their married name and another in their maiden name. Others received ballots in more than one state. Optics: In the 2024 election in some democrat controlled precincts in Pennsylvania, they attempted to steal a Senate seat by counting obviously invalid ballots, were told by the State Supreme Court to stop doing so, continued anyway until the governor ultimately stopped them. It does not a take a stretch to assume they employed the same tactic in the 2020. And again, there is that no objective individual seriously believes that a non-charismatic candidate like Biden, who barely campaigned at all legitimately garnered 81 million votes, vastly surpassing charismatic democrats like Obama and Bill Clinton.

They know it. They just don’t give a shit because to them the agenda and stopping Trump is the most important thing in the world. It’s like a religion to them. That’s how they justify the lawfare, the treasonous act of teaching illegals how to game the system, and even the assassination attempts. Trump must be stopped at all costs. To them he is evil and like Hitler. He is, as they said, an existential threat to this country. This, in their minds, justifies anything and everything. Things they know are horrible and evil all justified in the name of the religion known as liberalism and eliminating the evil orange man.