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How to win at collegiate debate: pull the race card.

RiverDad

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Always remember, diversity "enriches" your college experience. Look at this "enriched" experience. Students attend debate competitions to sharpen their skills and find that the teams who win just ignore the topic of debate and play race-victim cards. The judges are too cowed by political correctness to tell these clowns to get off the stage and fearful of being accused of racism instead pander to them by awarding them the top prize.

Is it any wonder that faculty and white students find that the quality of the educational experience diminishes as the proportion of black and Hispanic students increases?

From the Atlantic:

It used to be that if you went to a college-level debate tournament, the students you’d see would be bookish future lawyers from elite universities, most of them white. In matching navy blazers, they’d recite academic arguments for and against various government policies. It was tame, predictable, and, frankly, boring.

No more.

These days, an increasingly diverse group of participants has transformed debate competitions, mounting challenges to traditional form and content by incorporating personal experience, performance, and radical politics. These “alternative-style” debaters have achieved success, too, taking top honors at national collegiate tournaments over the past few years.

But this transformation has also sparked a difficult, often painful controversy for a community that prides itself on handling volatile topics.

On March 24, 2014 at the Cross Examination Debate Association (CEDA) Championships at Indiana University, two Towson University students, Ameena Ruffin and Korey Johnson, became the first African-American women to win a national college debate tournament, for which the resolution asked whether the U.S. president’s war powers should be restricted. Rather than address the resolution straight on, Ruffin and Johnson, along with other teams of African-Americans, attacked its premise. The more pressing issue, they argued, is how the U.S. government is at war with poor black communities.

In the final round, Ruffin and Johnson squared off against Rashid Campbell and George Lee from the University of Oklahoma, two highly accomplished African-American debaters with distinctive dreadlocks and dashikis. Over four hours, the two teams engaged in a heated discussion of concepts like “nigga authenticity” and performed hip-hop and spoken-word poetry in the traditional timed format. At one point during Lee’s rebuttal, the clock ran out but he refused to yield the floor. “**** the time!” he yelled. His partner Campbell, who won the top speaker award at the National Debate Tournament two weeks later, had been unfairly targeted by the police at the debate venue just days before, and cited this personal trauma as evidence for his case against the government’s treatment of poor African-Americans.

This year wasn't the first time this had happened. In the 2013 championship, two men from Emporia State University, Ryan Walsh and Elijah Smith, employed a similar style and became the first African-Americans to win two national debate tournaments. Many of their arguments, based on personal memoir and rap music, completely ignored the stated resolution, and instead asserted that the framework of collegiate debate has historically privileged straight, white, middle-class students.

Tournament participants from all backgrounds say they have found some of these debate strategies offensive. Even so, the new style has received mainstream acceptance, sympathy, and awards.​

Check this out. When some teams have had enough of this racial theater and wanted to break away and form a new association focused on proper debate, all of the clowns went nuts - the whole point is to force clownishness on everyone. Just like with the homosexual movement, the point isn't about having the freedom to be a clown, it's about transforming standards and making clownishness in debate the new standard.

14 schools expressed interest in sending debaters to Hardy’s proposed alternative tournament, scheduled to occur last month. But after word got out that a group of mostly white teams from elite universities were trying to form their own league, Hardy and his supporters were widely attacked on Facebook and other online forums. Ultimately the competition didn’t happen, purportedly because of logistical issues with the hotel venue. Nonetheless, Hardy wrote in an email that a “toxic climate” has precluded even “strong supporters of ‘policy debate’ from “publicly attach[ing] their name to anything that might get them called racist or worse.”

Korey Johnson, the reigning CEDA champion from Towson University, was one of the students who took offense to the alternative tournament. “Separating debate is a bad move,” she said. “With the increase in minority participation came a range of different types of argument and perspectives, not just from the people who are in debate, but the kind of scholarship we bring in.” Her debate partner Ameena Ruffin agreed: “For them to tell us that we can’t bring our personal experience, it would literally be impossible. Not just for black people—it is true of everyone. We are always biased by who we are in any argument.”​

Look clowns, normal people don't want to associate with you. Get it? Why don't you go and be clowns in your own space instead of forcing yourself on people who are fed up with you?

Oh yeah, Diversity is our Strength™.
 
A non-story (unless one is obsessed with race) and nothing to do with diversity.
 
Is it any wonder that faculty and white students find that the quality of the educational experience diminishes as the proportion of black and Hispanic students increases?

Isn't that cute? RiverDad is making **** up again. Do you have sources to back up this assertion, RiverDad, or are you going to reply with your usual stream of unrelated links and irrelevant material?
 
Isn't that cute? RiverDad is making **** up again. Do you have sources to back up this assertion, RiverDad, or are you going to reply with your usual stream of unrelated links and irrelevant material?

He takes an excerpt out of context and draws conclusions not drawn in the article. This one article (of very questionable methods), which he abuses, is the source for his claim.

For some people, misrepresenting one article is proof enough.
 
Yep, which means he hasn't presented a source yet. :)

He'll present the article. He spams it all the time. He honestly believes misrepresenting one questionable article proves something. It's sad.
 
Do you have sources to back up this assertion, RiverDad, or are you going to reply with your usual stream of unrelated links and irrelevant material?

Does Enrollment Diversity Improve University Education? as published in The International Journal of Public Opinion Research finds:

As the proportion of black students enrolled at the institution rose, student satisfaction with their university experience dropped, as did assessments of the quality of their education, and the work efforts of their peers. . . .

The same pattern held for the faculty sample's evaluation of the educational milieu. Among faculty members enrollment diversity was negatively related to perceptions of the quality of education, the academic abilities of students, and the work efforts of students, . . .​
 
That's the spam, the out of context excerpt. And he draws conclusions not drawn in the article. As if misrepresenting one questionable article proves something.

It's a racist file dump.


Every prof I've ever known appreciates diversity in their university.
 
misrepresenting one article is proof enough.

Are you going to argue that the college debaters who are trying to break away from this madness are not having their debate experience diminished by these clowns? Keep in mind that these clowns have won debate competitions by ignoring the resolution entirely and launching race-card diatribes.

Here's a very real world example of this process in play.
 
Does Enrollment Diversity Improve University Education? as published in The International Journal of Public Opinion Research finds:

As the proportion of black students enrolled at the institution rose, student satisfaction with their university experience dropped, as did assessments of the quality of their education, and the work efforts of their peers. . . .

The same pattern held for the faculty sample's evaluation of the educational milieu. Among faculty members enrollment diversity was negatively related to perceptions of the quality of education, the academic abilities of students, and the work efforts of students, . . .​

There you go, quoting material I can't read. However, from the abstract:

When student, faculty, and administrators; evaluations of the educational and racial atmosphere were correlated with the percentage of minority students enrolled at a college or university, the predicted positive associations of educational benefits and inter‐racial understanding failed to appear.

All that means is that people weren't magically made happy by an increase in diversity. The abstract says nothing whatsoever to back up anything you've said. Please stop making **** up.
 
That's the out of context excerpt. And he draws conclusions not drawn in the article. As if dishonestly misrepresenting one questionable proves something.

Every prof I've ever known appreciates diversity in the university.

All you know are sociology professors.
 
All that means is that people weren't magically made happy by an increase in diversity. The abstract says nothing whatsoever to back up anything you've said. Please stop making **** up.

You understand that an abstract isn't a paper. Quoting from the paper findings which aren't summarized in the abstract doesn't mean that I'm making stuff up.
 
You understand that an abstract isn't a paper. Quoting from the paper findings which aren't summarized in the abstract doesn't mean that I'm making stuff up.

Quoting from sources not accessible to your audience, especially with how many times I've seen you draw false conclusions and misquote material, means you're making **** up. Present publicly accessible sources.
 
Quoting from sources not accessible to your audience, especially with how many times I've seen you draw false conclusions and misquote material, means you're making **** up. Present publicly accessible sources.

Which has been never.
 
Always remember, diversity "enriches" your college experience. Look at this "enriched" experience. Students attend debate competitions to sharpen their skills and find that the teams who win just ignore the topic of debate and play race-victim cards. The judges are too cowed by political correctness to tell these clowns to get off the stage and fearful of being accused of racism instead pander to them by awarding them the top prize.

Is it any wonder that faculty and white students find that the quality of the educational experience diminishes as the proportion of black and Hispanic students increases?

From the Atlantic:

It used to be that if you went to a college-level debate tournament, the students you’d see would be bookish future lawyers from elite universities, most of them white. In matching navy blazers, they’d recite academic arguments for and against various government policies. It was tame, predictable, and, frankly, boring.

No more.

These days, an increasingly diverse group of participants has transformed debate competitions, mounting challenges to traditional form and content by incorporating personal experience, performance, and radical politics. These “alternative-style” debaters have achieved success, too, taking top honors at national collegiate tournaments over the past few years.

But this transformation has also sparked a difficult, often painful controversy for a community that prides itself on handling volatile topics.

On March 24, 2014 at the Cross Examination Debate Association (CEDA) Championships at Indiana University, two Towson University students, Ameena Ruffin and Korey Johnson, became the first African-American women to win a national college debate tournament, for which the resolution asked whether the U.S. president’s war powers should be restricted. Rather than address the resolution straight on, Ruffin and Johnson, along with other teams of African-Americans, attacked its premise. The more pressing issue, they argued, is how the U.S. government is at war with poor black communities.

In the final round, Ruffin and Johnson squared off against Rashid Campbell and George Lee from the University of Oklahoma, two highly accomplished African-American debaters with distinctive dreadlocks and dashikis. Over four hours, the two teams engaged in a heated discussion of concepts like “nigga authenticity” and performed hip-hop and spoken-word poetry in the traditional timed format. At one point during Lee’s rebuttal, the clock ran out but he refused to yield the floor. “**** the time!” he yelled. His partner Campbell, who won the top speaker award at the National Debate Tournament two weeks later, had been unfairly targeted by the police at the debate venue just days before, and cited this personal trauma as evidence for his case against the government’s treatment of poor African-Americans.

This year wasn't the first time this had happened. In the 2013 championship, two men from Emporia State University, Ryan Walsh and Elijah Smith, employed a similar style and became the first African-Americans to win two national debate tournaments. Many of their arguments, based on personal memoir and rap music, completely ignored the stated resolution, and instead asserted that the framework of collegiate debate has historically privileged straight, white, middle-class students.

Tournament participants from all backgrounds say they have found some of these debate strategies offensive. Even so, the new style has received mainstream acceptance, sympathy, and awards.​

Check this out. When some teams have had enough of this racial theater and wanted to break away and form a new association focused on proper debate, all of the clowns went nuts - the whole point is to force clownishness on everyone. Just like with the homosexual movement, the point isn't about having the freedom to be a clown, it's about transforming standards and making clownishness in debate the new standard.

14 schools expressed interest in sending debaters to Hardy’s proposed alternative tournament, scheduled to occur last month. But after word got out that a group of mostly white teams from elite universities were trying to form their own league, Hardy and his supporters were widely attacked on Facebook and other online forums. Ultimately the competition didn’t happen, purportedly because of logistical issues with the hotel venue. Nonetheless, Hardy wrote in an email that a “toxic climate” has precluded even “strong supporters of ‘policy debate’ from “publicly attach[ing] their name to anything that might get them called racist or worse.”

Korey Johnson, the reigning CEDA champion from Towson University, was one of the students who took offense to the alternative tournament. “Separating debate is a bad move,” she said. “With the increase in minority participation came a range of different types of argument and perspectives, not just from the people who are in debate, but the kind of scholarship we bring in.” Her debate partner Ameena Ruffin agreed: “For them to tell us that we can’t bring our personal experience, it would literally be impossible. Not just for black people—it is true of everyone. We are always biased by who we are in any argument.”​

Look clowns, normal people don't want to associate with you. Get it? Why don't you go and be clowns in your own space instead of forcing yourself on people who are fed up with you?

Oh yeah, Diversity is our Strength™.
yea. while you are at it, start your white-only basketball team so you don't get beat by people of color in that collegiate activity as well
funny watching people as they see their white privilege dissipate
 
It's interesting watching the boilerplate liberal reactions so far in this thread. They've all taken care to avoid engaging in the issue and have instead focused their efforts at disqualification.

Why don't you liberals defend the new clown standards for debate?
 
It's interesting watching the boilerplate liberal reactions so far in this thread. They've all taken care to avoid engaging in the issue and have instead focused their efforts at disqualification.

Why don't you liberals defend the new clown standards for debate?

reminds me of the hue and cry back in the early days when blacks were playing collegiate basketball, when many of the white viewers would complain that there needed to be a rule to keep the negroes from dunking
 
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I've called you on it several times. This is just the latest example. I'm starting to think your problem is pathological.

He once claimed that all blacks in a university averaged in the 52 percentile on the SAT. The article clearly stated that this was only the blacks that were given race preference admission.

Did he admit his mistake? No. He spewed some crap about how blacks are all the same so the number was close enough to whatever reality might be.
 
It's interesting watching the boilerplate liberal reactions so far in this thread. They've all taken care to avoid engaging in the issue and have instead focused their efforts at disqualification.

Why don't you liberals defend the new clown standards for debate?

It's boring watching fabricators of fact label everyone who takes issue with their half-assed bull**** tactics "liberals," as if that meant anything.
 
It's boring watching fabricators of fact label everyone who takes issue with their half-assed bull**** tactics "liberals," as if that meant anything.

The desperation is kind of amusing.
 
He once claimed that all blacks in a university averaged in the 52 percentile on the SAT. The article clearly stated that this was only the blacks that were given race preference admission.

Did he admit his mistake? No. He spewed some crap about how blacks are all the same so the number was close enough to whatever reality might be.

No, I told you that black admissions are almost always disjoint from the admissions of whites. The overlap is minimal. This means that, effectively, most admissions are due to Affirmative Action. Again, let me shove your face into the real world data. Here is the data for the University of Maryland Medical School. Notice the lack of overlap between black and white MCAT scores.

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Here are the USLME results, the exams which all medical students need to pass in order to be state qualified as physicians. Again, look at the overlap. Most black students are admitted under Affirmative Action and that's why we see these types of distributions.

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It's boring watching fabricators of fact label everyone who takes issue with their half-assed bull**** tactics "liberals," as if that meant anything.

I notice that you're still relying on the tactic of not engaging in the details of the Atlantic's article and are doubling down on your strategy of distraction. Boring, but I get it, when you can't defend the "benefits" of diversity, then you really do have to resort to lighting your hair on fire and running around screaming in order to create a distraction.
 
Is it any wonder that faculty and white students find that the quality of the educational experience diminishes as the proportion of black and Hispanic students increases?
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When some teams have had enough of this racial theater and wanted to break away and form a new association focused on proper debate, all of the clowns went nuts - the whole point is to force clownishness on everyone. Just like with the homosexual movement, the point isn't about having the freedom to be a clown, it's about transforming standards and making clownishness in debate the new standard.
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Look clowns, normal people don't want to associate with you. Get it? Why don't you go and be clowns in your own space instead of forcing yourself on people who are fed up with you?

Wow, unbelievable. You are obviously not afraid of being called a racist or a homophobe. Why don't you take your hatred and contempt to your own space instead of forcing it on the rest of us.
 
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