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How to get your enemy using new police and city-money raising tactics via redlight cameras and speeding cameras - or just how to never get a ticket from a police camera.

13 states have speeding cameras and 27 have redlight cameras. These are bringing in massive sums for municipalities (and causing a lot of rear-end collisions as people slam on their brakes at the awkward moment with a light turns yellow).
To get around not having to prove the owner was the driver (you cannot be held criminally responsible for how others use your property), such tickets generally are civil offenses - like a parking ticket.
There are lists to be found stating where it is known such cameras are - though the lists have to be constantly updated as thousands are being added each month.

Here's how to use "the law" to get your enemy.

1. Rent a car or trade in yours and get the same make, model and color.
2. Anywhere, take pictures of license plates until you have that person's license's letters and numbers.
3. Glue up the plate and then photocopy that paste up on photo paper at any copy shop with his/her license plate number.
4. Spray both sides with a couple coats of semi-gloss clear for water protection and do the same for poster board or just use thin foam board.
5. Put that on you car that is identical to theirs. Cops would not detect the difference while you were driving between a real plate and that copy. If you dirty it up just a bit they wouldn't likely detect the difference even on a stop.
6. If you want to do it perfectly, install a license plate flipper. You would flip it to their plate only at the cameras.

Now just drive around any large metro area speeding up to 12 mph over at speed-cameras and run redlights at light-cameras. Police don't work those for radar or red lights anyway because the camera is there.
Metro areas tend to have a dozen or more suburban cities - each with their own court system and own cameras.

One day, your enemy has 27 letters from 7 municipalities. The next day, 14 more from 4 more. Then 8 from still 3 more, plus more from the first ones. Within 2 weeks, they have 137 letters from 23 different cities - and it just keeps on growing. Day after week after month. Dozens of tickets becomes hundreds, and the list of cities grows. They can't arrest you. But they can impound your car. They can put a lien on your house. They can do civil seizures and forfeitures. And in some states freeze you driver's license and prevent you getting tags for your car too.

What can your enemy do about it? He/she would have to dispute them - and in each individual court. But dispute them how? It's not about providing an alibias for yourself (I can prove I was at work), you must prove it wasn't your car/truck. How do you do that? Even if you can, you have to go to each court for a day even to do that.

Finally, your enemy replaces his car/truck - but within a month it has started up again as you also trade in the one you have for another one identical to his/her. And you not only could do that in their state, but 23 other states too. So a person in New York could get 312 tickets from 41 different California courts, 107 from 28 Oregon courts, etc. as you just went on a 2 week driving tour of the West Coast. Heck, if they have a typical late model car, just fly around renting them. It would be a nightmare for your enemy that he/she could never stop year after year.

What is scary? It wouldn't even have to be an enemy of yours doing this to you. It could just be someone with a similar car that doesn't want tickets and spots yours parked at the mall - and decides to use your plate numbers to prevent tickets. Think no one would ever do this? If people will spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on detectors, use camera shields and paint etc, it is predictable some will opt instead for this very easy method of avoiding 100% of redlight and speeding camera tickets.

With this obvious possibility, do you support cities using redlight and speeding cameras?
 

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Can you say that you personally know anyone that has done this? Is modifying your plate not illegal in its own right?

In my city, we NEED red light cameras. People don't take the red lights very seriously and I've had a few near death experiences even though I'm a cautious driver.



How to get your enemy using new police and city-money raising tactics via redlight cameras and speeding cameras - or just how to never get a ticket from a police camera.

13 states have speeding cameras and 27 have redlight cameras. These are bringing in massive sums for municipalities (and causing a lot of rear-end collisions as people slam on their brakes at the awkward moment with a light turns yellow).
To get around not having to prove the owner was the driver (you cannot be held criminally responsible for how others use your property), such tickets generally are civil offenses - like a parking ticket.
There are lists to be found stating where it is known such cameras are - though the lists have to be constantly updated as thousands are being added each month.

Here's how to use "the law" to get your enemy.

1. Rent a car or trade in yours and get the same make, model and color.
2. Anywhere, take pictures of license plates until you have that person's license's letters and numbers.
3. Glue up the plate and then photocopy that paste up on photo paper at any copy shop with his/her license plate number.
4. Spray both sides with a couple coats of semi-gloss clear for water protection and do the same for poster board or just use thin foam board.
5. Put that on you car that is identical to theirs. Cops would not detect the difference while you were driving between a real plate and that copy. If you dirty it up just a bit they wouldn't likely detect the difference even on a stop.
6. If you want to do it perfectly, install a license plate flipper. You would flip it to their plate only at the cameras.

Now just drive around any large metro area speeding up to 12 mph over at speed-cameras and run redlights at light-cameras. Police don't work those for radar or red lights anyway because the camera is there.
Metro areas tend to have a dozen or more suburban cities - each with their own court system and own cameras.

One day, your enemy has 27 letters from 7 municipalities. The next day, 14 more from 4 more. Then 8 from still 3 more, plus more from the first ones. Within 2 weeks, they have 137 letters from 23 different cities - and it just keeps on growing. Day after week after month. Dozens of tickets becomes hundreds, and the list of cities grows. They can't arrest you. But they can impound your car. They can put a lien on your house. They can do civil seizures and forfeitures. And in some states freeze you driver's license and prevent you getting tags for your car too.

What can your enemy do about it? He/she would have to dispute them - and in each individual court. But dispute them how? It's not about providing an alibias for yourself (I can prove I was at work), you must prove it wasn't your car/truck. How do you do that? Even if you can, you have to go to each court for a day even to do that.

Finally, your enemy replaces his car/truck - but within a month it has started up again as you also trade in the one you have for another one identical to his/her. And you not only could do that in their state, but 23 other states too. So a person in New York could get 312 tickets from 41 different California courts, 107 from 28 Oregon courts, etc. as you just went on a 2 week driving tour of the West Coast. Heck, if they have a typical late model car, just fly around renting them. It would be a nightmare for your enemy that he/she could never stop year after year.

What is scary? It wouldn't even have to be an enemy of yours doing this to you. It could just be someone with a similar car that doesn't want tickets and spots yours parked at the mall - and decides to use your plate numbers to prevent tickets. Think no one would ever do this? If people will spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on detectors, use camera shields and paint etc, it is predictable some will opt instead for this very easy method of avoiding 100% of redlight and speeding camera tickets.

With this obvious possibility, do you support cities using redlight and speeding cameras?
 

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How to get your enemy using new police and city-money raising tactics via redlight cameras and speeding cameras - or just how to never get a ticket from a police camera.

13 states have speeding cameras and 27 have redlight cameras. These are bringing in massive sums for municipalities (and causing a lot of rear-end collisions as people slam on their brakes at the awkward moment with a light turns yellow).
To get around not having to prove the owner was the driver (you cannot be held criminally responsible for how others use your property), such tickets generally are civil offenses - like a parking ticket.
There are lists to be found stating where it is known such cameras are - though the lists have to be constantly updated as thousands are being added each month.

Here's how to use "the law" to get your enemy.

1. Rent a car or trade in yours and get the same make, model and color.
2. Anywhere, take pictures of license plates until you have that person's license's letters and numbers.
3. Glue up the plate and then photocopy that paste up on photo paper at any copy shop with his/her license plate number.
4. Spray both sides with a couple coats of semi-gloss clear for water protection and do the same for poster board or just use thin foam board.
5. Put that on you car that is identical to theirs. Cops would not detect the difference while you were driving between a real plate and that copy. If you dirty it up just a bit they wouldn't likely detect the difference even on a stop.
6. If you want to do it perfectly, install a license plate flipper. You would flip it to their plate only at the cameras.

Now just drive around any large metro area speeding up to 12 mph over at speed-cameras and run redlights at light-cameras. Police don't work those for radar or red lights anyway because the camera is there.
Metro areas tend to have a dozen or more suburban cities - each with their own court system and own cameras.

One day, your enemy has 27 letters from 7 municipalities. The next day, 14 more from 4 more. Then 8 from still 3 more, plus more from the first ones. Within 2 weeks, they have 137 letters from 23 different cities - and it just keeps on growing. Day after week after month. Dozens of tickets becomes hundreds, and the list of cities grows. They can't arrest you. But they can impound your car. They can put a lien on your house. They can do civil seizures and forfeitures. And in some states freeze you driver's license and prevent you getting tags for your car too.

What can your enemy do about it? He/she would have to dispute them - and in each individual court. But dispute them how? It's not about providing an alibias for yourself (I can prove I was at work), you must prove it wasn't your car/truck. How do you do that? Even if you can, you have to go to each court for a day even to do that.

Finally, your enemy replaces his car/truck - but within a month it has started up again as you also trade in the one you have for another one identical to his/her. And you not only could do that in their state, but 23 other states too. So a person in New York could get 312 tickets from 41 different California courts, 107 from 28 Oregon courts, etc. as you just went on a 2 week driving tour of the West Coast. Heck, if they have a typical late model car, just fly around renting them. It would be a nightmare for your enemy that he/she could never stop year after year.

What is scary? It wouldn't even have to be an enemy of yours doing this to you. It could just be someone with a similar car that doesn't want tickets and spots yours parked at the mall - and decides to use your plate numbers to prevent tickets. Think no one would ever do this? If people will spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on detectors, use camera shields and paint etc, it is predictable some will opt instead for this very easy method of avoiding 100% of redlight and speeding camera tickets.

With this obvious possibility, do you support cities using redlight and speeding cameras?

The govt sees all and knows all .... have you done this personally or "if" you did
 

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Don't really have an 'enemies' list or anything, but, after getting 2 of these tickets making an illegal right on red (on a newly shortened yellow light) I've often wanted to just make 2 temp plates that say 'screw you' and put them on only to go through the light again, let the photos be taken, then pull over and remove the plates out of sight of the cameras.
 

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How to get your enemy using new police and city-money raising tactics via redlight cameras and speeding cameras - or just how to never get a ticket from a police camera.

13 states have speeding cameras and 27 have redlight cameras. These are bringing in massive sums for municipalities (and causing a lot of rear-end collisions as people slam on their brakes at the awkward moment with a light turns yellow).
To get around not having to prove the owner was the driver (you cannot be held criminally responsible for how others use your property), such tickets generally are civil offenses - like a parking ticket.
There are lists to be found stating where it is known such cameras are - though the lists have to be constantly updated as thousands are being added each month.

Here's how to use "the law" to get your enemy.

1. Rent a car or trade in yours and get the same make, model and color.
2. Anywhere, take pictures of license plates until you have that person's license's letters and numbers.
3. Glue up the plate and then photocopy that paste up on photo paper at any copy shop with his/her license plate number.
4. Spray both sides with a couple coats of semi-gloss clear for water protection and do the same for poster board or just use thin foam board.
5. Put that on you car that is identical to theirs. Cops would not detect the difference while you were driving between a real plate and that copy. If you dirty it up just a bit they wouldn't likely detect the difference even on a stop.
6. If you want to do it perfectly, install a license plate flipper. You would flip it to their plate only at the cameras.

Now just drive around any large metro area speeding up to 12 mph over at speed-cameras and run redlights at light-cameras. Police don't work those for radar or red lights anyway because the camera is there.
Metro areas tend to have a dozen or more suburban cities - each with their own court system and own cameras.

One day, your enemy has 27 letters from 7 municipalities. The next day, 14 more from 4 more. Then 8 from still 3 more, plus more from the first ones. Within 2 weeks, they have 137 letters from 23 different cities - and it just keeps on growing. Day after week after month. Dozens of tickets becomes hundreds, and the list of cities grows. They can't arrest you. But they can impound your car. They can put a lien on your house. They can do civil seizures and forfeitures. And in some states freeze you driver's license and prevent you getting tags for your car too.

What can your enemy do about it? He/she would have to dispute them - and in each individual court. But dispute them how? It's not about providing an alibias for yourself (I can prove I was at work), you must prove it wasn't your car/truck. How do you do that? Even if you can, you have to go to each court for a day even to do that.

Finally, your enemy replaces his car/truck - but within a month it has started up again as you also trade in the one you have for another one identical to his/her. And you not only could do that in their state, but 23 other states too. So a person in New York could get 312 tickets from 41 different California courts, 107 from 28 Oregon courts, etc. as you just went on a 2 week driving tour of the West Coast. Heck, if they have a typical late model car, just fly around renting them. It would be a nightmare for your enemy that he/she could never stop year after year.

What is scary? It wouldn't even have to be an enemy of yours doing this to you. It could just be someone with a similar car that doesn't want tickets and spots yours parked at the mall - and decides to use your plate numbers to prevent tickets. Think no one would ever do this? If people will spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on detectors, use camera shields and paint etc, it is predictable some will opt instead for this very easy method of avoiding 100% of redlight and speeding camera tickets.

With this obvious possibility, do you support cities using redlight and speeding cameras?



I really, really, strongly recommend that NOBODY do anything like this.

Odds are good you'll get caught at it and the ways and depths to which you could be in trouble are many and deep.
 

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Can you say that you personally know anyone that has done this? Is modifying your plate not illegal in its own right?

In my city, we NEED red light cameras. People don't take the red lights very seriously and I've had a few near death experiences even though I'm a cautious driver.

Sounds like you're one of those people who floors the gas pedal the instant the light turns green without checking cross traffic. Basically all intersection accidents by someone running a redlight is the person didn't see the light at all or sees a green turn arrow come on and that car start to go, so they go too. Red light cameras would NOT prevent neither of those accidents.

What red light cameras do is known. They cause lots and lots of rear end collisions. Every driver is commonly in that situation where the light turns yellow at the exact moment where you don't know whether to all but slam on your brakes or risk the back of your car technically being still in the intersection. Thus, to take no chance of getting a ticket? Slam on your brakes. And if the driver behind you is talking to the person beside them or looking at the rear view mirror or left or right, POW! an accident - and that car's fault too.

No sweat off the city. That accident doesn't cost the city $1. It makes them money because they now get to write that driver a ticket. The more accidents the city can cause, the more money the city makes. Whether causing accidents or not, the city makes money. That is the purpose of the cameras. To bring in millions of dollars to the city.

Red light cameras aren't about safety. It is known if they add 1 second to yellow lights it would eliminate 95% of red light tickets so they don't make the change. Even changing it to 0.2 seconds longer was found to eliminate 75% such tickets. So why the hell would the add that 0.2 seconds? Red light cameras bring in millions per year to a city - free money.

"Public Safety" has been replaced with "public endangerment for government profit."

As for personally doing it? Not in relation to cameras as they weren't around yet. Years ago (many) I did use a made-up plate in the method I described that selecting the number off an identical color, year and model Lincoln - and used it for almost 3 years. That was in Chicago. If a police cruiser ran the plate? It showed the other person. Since the real car was from a wealthy part of town, it unlikely to have any unpaid tickets or warrants for the owner.

I also did it for my own car's front plate for my own real rear plate on another car as I didn't have the front plate. At no time was I stopped with any police detecting the difference between a photocopy and a real license plate - even if stopped. Police don't study the plate, never check VIN numbers on the dash behind the windshield, and aren't fixated on the plate, but on the occupant(s) for safety.

Red light cameras cause accidents - and lots of them for obvious reason.
 
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I really, really, strongly recommend that NOBODY do anything like this.

Odds are good you'll get caught at it and the ways and depths to which you could be in trouble are many and deep.


I'm not recommending it. Just pointing out the prospect and how easy it is. However, I think the odds are low at getting caught unless reckless about it. The repercussions would be high if caught doing it.
 

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A few state legislatures have outlawed such cameras to prevent cities from using them. ckeThey are EXTREMELY profitable to cities. Imagine how many speeding tickets they'd get per day just by putting up a sign in an open zone that is 50 mph that suddenly drops to 30 mph over a hill? 2 out of 3 cars?
 

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Cool gadget, simply leave one side blank for use at camera monitored locations. ;)

Or put "GTFO-FU2" on the other side on a plate flipper or just giving the camera the finger literally flipping it the finger. :lol:

I know someone who tried to get GFO-FU2 on a vanity plate. The state said no to that one.
 
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Or put "GTFO-FU2" on the other side on a plate flipper or just giving the camera the finger literally flipping it the finger. :lol:

I know someone who tried to get GFO-FU2 on a vanity plate. The state said no to that one.

Promoting illegal actions now?
 

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I'm not recommending it. Just pointing out the prospect and how easy it is. However, I think the odds are low at getting caught unless reckless about it. The repercussions would be high if caught doing it.

Explaining and championing it equates to recommending it.
 
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