How racist are liberals?

[code1211]

I've pointed this out many times over the last 4 years, starting back in 2016 during the primary processes.

It's why when Trump got elected while the Senate and House were both Republican controlled, he couldn't get much done. The Old Guard Republican's didn't like him. IMO if it weren't for the tea party members in the House he wouldn't have even got his tax cut passed.

I voted for him for two reasons.

First because I researched each claim of "campaign misconduct" (reviewed the video/audio) and found most were lies/misrepresentations by the MSM. IMO when the MSM pushes lies like those so forcefully to oppose an election, then that's the person who NEEDED to be elected. Meanwhile, IMO Trump is not a racist.

Second, because I saw him as the "maverick" candidate I felt we've needed to shake, rattle, and roll the Two-Party Establishment our nation has turned into. Bull-in-the-China Shop who'd tear things down and knock them around, to get real things done.

IMO he's met my expectations faults and all.

My thoughts and thought process almost exactly!

 

[LouC]

I hear this one a lot from the right, like a LOT. Accusations of racism right to left might equal or outnumber the reverse.

No choice on the Poll that reflects what I think. Racism is a case by case basis and is revealed or not by the individual. There is no such thing as racism being endemic of either major political party.

 

[code1211]

Racism isn't based only on race. It can be skin color to the eye, also, and other qualities. Spanish are considered Euro white, North Africa and the ME are considered "white".

I'm not sure what you mean by your last sentence. Clarity, please.

As people, we are "difference assessment machines". In every circumstance, in every location and in every encounter with anyone and anything, we are assessing the situation for threats and weaknesses and possible advantage.

That is very likely the basis of Racism. However, the Racist sees everything first, last and always in terms of Race.

Studies have shown that other factors, like language, presentation, attitude, courtesy, facial expression and so on can quickly overcome racial biases that cause suspicion or fear. Hate, though, is less movable.

Our Federal Government seems pre-occupied with Race. The Democrat-Socialists seem pre-occupied with Race. My wife, as an example, represents 5 of the 6 categories shown below. Besides beautiful, what is she?

The last sentence from my previous post:

"The motivated actions following, beneficial or hurtful to those recognized, are the product of racism."

When any action occurs that is based primarily on the recognition of race in another, that is racism. Does that help?

New Federal Race and Ethnicity Category FAQ - Carleton College

FAQ to support Carleton's implementation of new federal race and ethnicity categories

www.carleton.edu

Federal Definitions for New Race and Ethnicity Categories

• Hispanic or Latino A person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race.
• American Indian or Alaska Native A person having origins in any of the original peoples of North and South America (including Central America) who maintains cultural identification through tribal affiliation or community attachment.
• Asian A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian Subcontinent, including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam.
• Black or African American A person having origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa.
• Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Hawaii, Guam, Samoa, or other Pacific Islands.
• White A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.

 

[Kreton]

I hear this one a lot from the right, like a LOT. Accusations of racism right to left might equal or outnumber the reverse.

Lincoln and Republicans of that day held liberal beliefs.

 

[Kreton]

He is absolutely a liberal.

Or he simply doesn't exist.

 

[skeptic llc]

Depends on the area. Inner city, mostly minority, 99% on free or reduced lunch; about 60-70% below grade level by at least two years. Often much lower. In a very good suburban district; reverse all the previous numbers. Sometimes 90% will be at grade level or above. So it depends.

Why such a difference? my son and I have discussed it many, many times. Hint, it's not a money issue.

It's definitely not a money issue, and the overwhelming majority of people still assume it is.

 

[Phys251]

I hear this one a lot from the right, like a LOT. Accusations of racism right to left might equal or outnumber the reverse.

Racism exists on the left, and I'd love to have a conversation about it, but DP has way, way too many people who cannot handle a conversation like that. It'd be like trying to teach calculus to someone who can't even add.

 

[dex4974]

It'd be like trying to teach calculus to someone who can't even add.

Or somebody that doesn't believe in math.

 

[code1211]

No choice on the Poll that reflects what I think. Racism is a case by case basis and is revealed or not by the individual. There is no such thing as racism being endemic of either major political party.

I'm not sure that stands up under examination.

One party bases EVERYTHING it does on race- maybe more accurately, connects everything it does TO race.

"Poor and minorities hardest hit" seems to be an idea they over use.

The other party employs the iconic "Rising tide lifts all boats" in their approaches and policies. It's a good thing the Democrat-Socialists don't use it anymore.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Sure you can. You are just mixing language without translating. I'd say the klan, patriot prayer, proud boys, many of the militia... are all christian jihadist. And that's if you want to use this modern definition of jihad as being violent instead of a more traditional definition of it meaning more of a personal struggle.

"Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war."

You appear to be overlooking the fact that, to the Muslim, "Jihad" has more meanings than "terrorism".

To a Christian, "Crusade" has more meanings than "conquer the Holy Land and kill all the infidels".

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

It's entirely possible for someone to think and/or claim they are a liberal while harboring some racism, even if they don't realize they are.

I m reminded of a remark that David Lam (a former Lt. Governor of BC) once made (and which I have to paraphrase)

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"I do not 'tolerate' and I dislike 'toleration' because to 'tolerate' is like saying 'You stink but I'm not going to mention it because I am better than you are.'. Either 'accept' or 'reject' - don't *****foot around pretending that you are morally pure when you aren't.".​

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"Racism" (as with any other bigotry) ends when you simply don't care what "race" someone else belongs to.

 

[Luce]

Both sides. Hell, the left has (had?) smartcat on this forum, and he is the worst racist I have seen in years.

 

[MrWonka]

I hear this one a lot from the right, like a LOT. Accusations of racism right to left might equal or outnumber the reverse.

Here's the thing. Everyone is a little bit racist, but racism is kind of like alcoholism. It's never really cured. It's just something that you can acknowledge and make a conscious effort to not let it impact you. You can be in recovery from alcoholism, and you can be in denial of alcoholism, but you're never truly cured. It's never really just gone.

Liberals are in recovery, while Conservatives are for the most part completely in denial. They can't acknowledge that they have unconscious biases in the first place and as a result they have no hope of accounting for them or trying to mitigate the damage done by them.

 

[Felis Leo]

Racism is a form of belief that one regarding the superiority of one's own race versus others that one can have irrespective of their other political, economic and other social positions.

Asking "how racist are liberals" is like asking "How Christian are liberals?"

One can be a racist liberal who believes in a greater social safety net, greater social freedoms, and greater levels of governmental accountability but only for members his own race exclusively.

 

[poweRob]

You appear to be overlooking the fact that, to the Muslim, "Jihad" has more meanings than "terrorism".

To a Christian, "Crusade" has more meanings than "conquer the Holy Land and kill all the infidels".

In the post you quoted, I provided an alternate definition to Jihad. I don't think you read my post completely.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

I hear this one a lot from the right, like a LOT. Accusations of racism right to left might equal or outnumber the reverse.

Slavery is the only ammunition Republicans have to claim members of the Democratic Party are racist. They have no proof the Democratic Party was founded by southern slave owners only for the purpose of encouraging slavery, which began before 1400 in Europe. Do any conservatives truly believe there were no Democrats in the Union or Republicans in the Confederacy before the Civil War? Do they really think all African-Americans are Republicans based only on fact that slave owners were Democrats? The truth is most blacks are Democrats and most Republicans are white. If slavery was still legal, Republicans would be enslaving Democrats.

 

[Big Eye]

Those that constantly talk about race are the racists. The liberal left is the home of the race baiters and those that wish to cause race division...at least in the U.K.

BLM are a clear example of leftist racism. It operates by driving a wedge between races whilst acting as though it is protecting its favoured group against a non-existent oppression...bear in mind that they primarily operate in a country that recently had a mixed race president.

 

[Big Eye]

Slavery is the only ammunition Republicans have to claim members of the Democratic Party are racist. They have no proof the Democratic Party was founded by southern slave owners only for the purpose of encouraging slavery, which began before 1400 in Europe. Do any conservatives truly believe there were no Democrats in the Union or Republicans in the Confederacy before the Civil War? Do they really think all African-Americans are Republicans based only on fact that slave owners were Democrats? The truth is most blacks are Democrats and most Republicans are white. If slavery was still legal, Republicans would be enslaving Democrats.

I think you mistake what modern racism is...it’s not about one race holding another race down , it’s about political forces driving race division. People should just stop talking about ****ing race and treat others as they treat you.

 

[dex4974]

I think you mistake what modern racism is...it’s not about one race holding another race down , it’s about political forces driving race division. People should just stop talking about ****ing race and treat others as they treat you.

I often have thought that racism is empowered by those who are deeply offended by mild versions of it. For example if a racist word upsets you then it did exactly what the person hoped for. Your emotions gave it power.

 

[bluesmoke]

As people, we are "difference assessment machines". In every circumstance, in every location and in every encounter with anyone and anything, we are assessing the situation for threats and weaknesses and possible advantage.

That is very likely the basis of Racism. However, the Racist sees everything first, last and always in terms of Race.

Studies have shown that other factors, like language, presentation, attitude, courtesy, facial expression and so on can quickly overcome racial biases that cause suspicion or fear. Hate, though, is less movable.

Our Federal Government seems pre-occupied with Race. The Democrat-Socialists seem pre-occupied with Race. My wife, as an example, represents 5 of the 6 categories shown below. Besides beautiful, what is she?

The last sentence from my previous post:

"The motivated actions following, beneficial or hurtful to those recognized, are the product of racism."

When any action occurs that is based primarily on the recognition of race in another, that is racism. Does that help?

New Federal Race and Ethnicity Category FAQ - Carleton College

FAQ to support Carleton's implementation of new federal race and ethnicity categories

www.carleton.edu

Federal Definitions for New Race and Ethnicity Categories

• Hispanic or Latino A person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race.
• American Indian or Alaska Native A person having origins in any of the original peoples of North and South America (including Central America) who maintains cultural identification through tribal affiliation or community attachment.
• Asian A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian Subcontinent, including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam.
• Black or African American A person having origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa.
• Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Hawaii, Guam, Samoa, or other Pacific Islands.
• White A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.

The basis for racism is the belief that people have separate and intrinsic attributes because of their race, et al.

If the action taken, beneficial or hurtful, is taken because the given race is considered superior or inferior due to its own intrinsic attributes, then, yes, that’s racism.

 

[Big Eye]

The basis for racism is the belief that people have separate and intrinsic attributes because of their race, et al.

If the action taken, beneficial or hurtful, is taken because the given race is considered superior or inferior due to its own intrinsic attributes, then, yes, that’s racism.

There are clearly some differences between races...there are no non- blacks of west African descent in the top 100m sprinters in the world for instance, there are no great black swimmers... there are also IQ differences..but in moral terms there are no differences...and that is the only measure that really matters.

 

[dex4974]

there are also IQ differences

 

[Big Eye]

Asians consistently score highest....but don't worry mate there are plenty of highly intelligent black brown and white people. The bell curve thing is true...but not particularly important.

 

[dex4974]

Asians consistently score highest....but don't worry mate there are plenty of highly intelligent black brown and white people. The bell curve thing is true...but not particularly important.

I've seen some very ugly debates over that. I remain neutral.

 

[Big Eye]

I've seen some very ugly debates over that. I remain neutral.

I think that it's pretty clear that some cultures , which are generally marked by a domination of particular racial characteristics, do better than other cultures... That does not mean that I consider one race better than another ,just that there are differences in over all IQ of the groups. As it happens education, memory and persistence can more than make up for the difference. Obviously western culture has so much racial mixing that any differences are even more marginal than they would otherwise be.