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how much will the Big Beautiful Bill save you every year ?

Using this calculator - how much will ya'll save every year ?


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blame someone else

ok - Biden is to blame for all of Trump's administration issues and Obama in Trump 1.0

there - easy
Do you have a problem reading? That is not what I have been saying. Presidents are responsible for debt they have approved via the signing of legislation. That should be pretty simple. If you sign it, you own it.

you're making excuses because the Democrat presidents added Trillions more in national debt than Republican's did - 100% FACT
100% nonsense.

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As I've posted, this CEO is blaming his apparent own failure on just signed legislation which hasn't even come into effect yet.
Yes, blame this CEO for the fact that virtually all rural hospitals are struggling.

Do you believe there's a difference between the CEO's predicted impact of the legislation and the actual impact of that legislation?
I mean people's predicted impact is very often very wrong.
When the CEO knows how tenuous their position is right now it’s not hard to see how this legislation will only make things worse. No way will it make things better.
 
Do you understand what the difference is between direct support to a government, and direct aid and support to humanitarian causes? Do you get that?
I didn't bring it up, someone else did and I believe it was a combined post

When it existed, USAID provided over $2 billion in humanitarian assistance to Sudan and neighboring countries.
$2 billion of my US Taxpayer dollars that's right


The next question is, do you have any understanding of exactly what 'humanitarian relief' actually is?
sure

I don't think you do.
I didn't think you would

Humanitarian aid is provided to save lives, alleviate suffering, and protect human dignity. This means providing food, water, shelter, and medical care and essential medicines.
there are 195 countries in the world


The U.S.$146.4 million in 2000 and U.S.$81.8 million in 2008. given to Sudan and how much did it helps ?

that the USA gave $805 million in 2024


so tell me how much better is Sudan for all the billions that have been given because it appears every year they want more and more and more. That's NOT helping the people of Sudan, not really .... its created a dependency.

I think its great that churches pour money into helping people - individuals can too - here is one link for you to send your $$$$$$$$


But don't use US Taxpayer dollars for it IMO




a quick google AI says
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • 2024 Total: $1.8 billion.

  • US Contribution: Approximately $805.7 million (44% of the total).

  • Key Donors: Besides the US, the EU institutions, UK, and Netherlands also provided significant aid.

  • 2025 Appeal: $4.16 billion is needed to reach 21 million people in need.

  • Funding Status: As of early 2025, only a small percentage of the 2025 appeal has been funded.


U.S.$146.4 million in 2000 and U.S.$81.8 million in 2008.
 
Do you have a problem reading? That is not what I have been saying. Presidents are responsible for debt they have approved via the signing of legislation. That should be pretty simple. If you sign it, you own it.


100% nonsense.

you're being dishonest because you refuse to acknowledge Obama/Biden put $16 trillion towards national debt and GW/Trump only 12

you cannot escape the facts

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Yes, blame this CEO for the fact that virtually all rural hospitals are struggling.
That's not what I've posted, and you know it, or you've misread it.

When the CEO knows how tenuous their position is right now it’s not hard to see how this legislation will only make things worse. No way will it make things better.
 
Yes, blame this CEO for the fact that virtually all rural hospitals are struggling.


When the CEO knows how tenuous their position is right now it’s not hard to see how this legislation will only make things worse. No way will it make things better.
"all rural hospitals are struggling." because they are rural hospitals.
Trump's
bill is going to end the scamming between the states and hospitals that get Medicaid funds from the state and then tax the rural hospitals to get back the Medicaid money that came from the Feds and give to the hospitals.

Keep in mind, the Big Bill is not cutting back on Medicaid funds to the states.
It is slowing the increase of Medicaid funding from the Feds to the states.
Medicaid will continue to rise but at a slower rate.
 
I didn't bring it up, someone else did and I believe it was a combined post


$2 billion of my US Taxpayer dollars that's right



sure


I didn't think you would


there are 195 countries in the world


The U.S.$146.4 million in 2000 and U.S.$81.8 million in 2008. given to Sudan and how much did it helps ?

that the USA gave $805 million in 2024


so tell me how much better is Sudan for all the billions that have been given because it appears every year they want more and more and more. That's NOT helping the people of Sudan, not really .... its created a dependency.

I think its great that churches pour money into helping people - individuals can too - here is one link for you to send your $$$$$$$$


But don't use US Taxpayer dollars for it IMO




a quick google AI says
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • 2024 Total: $1.8 billion.

  • US Contribution: Approximately $805.7 million (44% of the total).

  • Key Donors: Besides the US, the EU institutions, UK, and Netherlands also provided significant aid.

  • 2025 Appeal: $4.16 billion is needed to reach 21 million people in need.

  • Funding Status: As of early 2025, only a small percentage of the 2025 appeal has been funded.


U.S.$146.4 million in 2000 and U.S.$81.8 million in 2008.
Foreign aid and humanitarian relief is an incredibly small part of the U.S. federal budget. Many people think as much as 25% of the budget goes to foreign aid. Most people think the appropriate proportion to spend would be about 10%. It is, in fact, less than 1% of the budget. Almost all U.S. foreign aid money is spent in the United States. Most of what winds up in other countries is U.S. goods and services. A lot of foreign aid is food aid, and that money goes to U.S. farmers. A lot of it is weapons, and that money goes to U.S. defense contractors. Some of it is for infrastructure, and most of it goes to pay for U.S. engineering firms. Health programs mostly go to American practitioners and pharmaceutical companies.
 
you're being dishonest because you refuse to acknowledge Obama/Biden put $16 trillion towards national debt and GW/Trump only 12

you cannot escape the facts

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You are being dishonest because you refuse to admit that presidents are responsible for their own legislative actions, not those of their predecessors.
 
you're being dishonest because you refuse to acknowledge Obama/Biden put $16 trillion towards national debt and GW/Trump only 12

you cannot escape the facts

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Where is your link?! Because that list is simplistic and pretty DUMB!

First of all, there is a vast difference between the economy that a POTUS inherits during a recession (or crisis) and that of a POTUS assuming power when the economy is sound. Bush 2 took power with a great economy and chose to cut taxes and enter a stupid costly war with all the costs that weighed on the deficit for decades. Obama inherited a mess of an economy, making deficit spending necessary and tax increases unwise.

Likewise, Biden inherited a national crisis.

Additionally, it is the easiest thing in the world and popular to cut taxes as Rs seem to do whether it is fiscally sound or not. In that respect, I blame the short sightedness of the American voter.
Your precious little tax relief will simply be eaten up by the cost shifting that will hit the states as well as the inevitable price increases of necessities.



"Obama- First of all, much of the debt increase was the result of laws and economic conditions in place before Obama took office rather than laws that passed under his presidency. The Congressional Budget Office’s first current law projections of the Obama presidency already projected debt held by the public would rise from $5.8 trillion to $9.1 trillion when Obama left office – and these projections didn’t incorporate the entire depth of the Great Recession, which reduced revenue and therefore further increased debt."

  • President Trump approved $8.4 trillion of new ten-year borrowing during his full term in office, or $4.8 trillion excluding the CARES Act and other COVID relief.
  • President Biden, in his first three years and five months in office, approved $4.3 trillion of new ten-year borrowing, or $2.2 trillion excluding the American Rescue Plan.
  • President Trump approved $8.8 trillion of gross new borrowing and $443 billion of deficit reduction during his full presidential term.
  • President Biden has so far approved $6.2 trillion of gross new borrowing and $1.9 trillion of deficit reduction.

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That's not what I've posted, and you know it, or you've misread it.
What then do you mean when you talk about the CEO’s own failure. How has the CEO failed? As I said all rural hospitals are having difficulties. Now the new bill is only going to make things worse.
 
Foreign aid and humanitarian relief is an incredibly small part of the U.S. federal budget.
true

funny though how billions add to trillions in a hurry - this isn't chump change regardless of the overall %

Many people think as much as 25% of the budget goes to foreign aid.
they need to prove that

Most people think the appropriate proportion to spend would be about 10%. It is, in fact, less than 1% of the budget. Almost all U.S. foreign aid money is spent in the United States.
that's an oxy-moron

Most of what winds up in other countries is U.S. goods and services. A lot of foreign aid is food aid, and that money goes to U.S. farmers. A lot of it is weapons, and that money goes to U.S. defense contractors. Some of it is for infrastructure, and most of it goes to pay for U.S. engineering firms. Health programs mostly go to American practitioners and pharmaceutical companies.
so the Fed Govt is taking US Taxdollars, spending it on US companies, then giving it all away free to other countries

I have a question then ....

In 2023, the official poverty rate was 11.1%, representing 36.8 million people, according to Congress.gov


take all that's given to other countries and spend on our own people
 
Where is your link?! Because that list is simplistic and pretty DUMB!

its dumb for a President to be held accountable for what happens in his Presidency ? to NOT do that would be dumb OR .... blame Obama and Biden for all of Trump's administration woes. Are you ready to do that ?



First of all, there is a vast difference between the economy that a POTUS inherits during a recession (or crisis) and that of a POTUS assuming power when the economy is sound. Bush 2 took power with a great economy and chose to cut taxes and enter a stupid costly war with all the costs that weighed on the deficit for decades. Obama inherited a mess of an economy, making deficit spending necessary and tax increases unwise.

Likewise, Biden inherited a national crisis.

Additionally, it is the easiest thing in the world and popular to cut taxes as Rs seem to do whether it is fiscally sound or not. In that respect, I blame the short sightedness of the American voter.
Your precious little tax relief will simply be eaten up by the cost shifting that will hit the states as well as the inevitable price increases of necessities.



"Obama- First of all, much of the debt increase was the result of laws and economic conditions in place before Obama took office rather than laws that passed under his presidency. The Congressional Budget Office’s first current law projections of the Obama presidency already projected debt held by the public would rise from $5.8 trillion to $9.1 trillion when Obama left office – and these projections didn’t incorporate the entire depth of the Great Recession, which reduced revenue and therefore further increased debt."

  • President Trump approved $8.4 trillion of new ten-year borrowing during his full term in office, or $4.8 trillion excluding the CARES Act and other COVID relief.
  • President Biden, in his first three years and five months in office, approved $4.3 trillion of new ten-year borrowing, or $2.2 trillion excluding the American Rescue Plan.
  • President Trump approved $8.8 trillion of gross new borrowing and $443 billion of deficit reduction during his full presidential term.
  • President Biden has so far approved $6.2 trillion of gross new borrowing and $1.9 trillion of deficit reduction.

now post the real numbers of debt added under each POTUS

like this



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we're not GIVING them anything, its taking LESS

and me? I'm thankful for every dime less the Fed Govt takes from me, absolutely
So the rich buying a 2nd private jet is worth the extra $4 trillion added to the national debt then?
 
true

funny though how billions add to trillions in a hurry - this isn't chump change regardless of the overall %


they need to prove that


that's an oxy-moron


so the Fed Govt is taking US Taxdollars, spending it on US companies, then giving it all away free to other countries

I have a question then ....

In 2023, the official poverty rate was 11.1%, representing 36.8 million people, according to Congress.gov


take all that's given to other countries and spend on our own people
The amount the U.S. government spends on foreign aid, as a percentage of the federal budget, typically ranges between 0.7% and 1.4% NOT 25%
 
"all rural hospitals are struggling." because they are rural hospitals.
Trump's
bill is going to end the scamming between the states and hospitals that get Medicaid funds from the state and then tax the rural hospitals to get back the Medicaid money that came from the Feds and give to the hospitals.
Not true. The bill doesn’t end what you are describing. It only reduces it.

Keep in mind, the Big Bill is not cutting back on Medicaid funds to the states.
It is slowing the increase of Medicaid funding from the Feds to the states.
Medicaid will continue to rise but at a slower rate.
LOL! Where did you come up with that?

Probably from the carefully worded WSJ editorial. What the article said is that Medicaid spending will be higher 10 years from now than it is now.

What the editorial doesn’t say is that the bill IS going to cut back on Medicaid funds to the states but of course over the next 10 years funding will increase from that reduced amount to end up higher than it is today.
 
So the rich buying a 2nd private jet is worth the extra $4 trillion added to the national debt then?

you're confused

if you make $50,000 a year and spend $70,000 ..... that's going to get you in debt

raising your income to $60,000 and increasing your spending to $85,000 isn't going to help


do you see how that works ?
 
The amount the U.S. government spends on foreign aid, as a percentage of the federal budget, typically ranges between 0.7% and 1.4% NOT 25%

I never said 25% did I ?
 

its dumb for a President to be held accountable for what happens in his Presidency ? to NOT do that would be dumb OR .... blame Obama and Biden for all of Trump's administration woes. Are you ready to do that ?
Stop beating this dead horse. There are good reasons and poor ones to deficit spend. Your graph is dumb. And ea POTUS inherits the last one's mistakes. Sorry you cannot tell the differences. I, for one, am happy to point out the mistakes made by presidencies of all political stripes. I am most worried about the shit show the younger generation will inherit.
I believe that Biden, was too generous handing out money during COVID, but you are OKAY that the U.S. run up a deficit largely in order to give it to people who make $700,000. and up, each year, and to waste it on the DOD and Homeland security. I got that.
 
Stop beating this dead horse. There are good reasons and poor ones to deficit spend.
you can use all the excuses and reasons you want to - bottom line is what those administrations spent. EVERY POTUS has excuses and reasons

Your graph is dumb.
and incredibly accurate and factual

And ea POTUS inherits the last one's mistakes. Sorry you cannot tell the differences. I, for one, am happy to point out the mistakes made by presidencies of all political stripes. I am most worried about the shit show the younger generation will inherit.
I believe that Biden, was too generous handing out money during COVID, but you are OKAY that the U.S. run up a deficit largely in order to give it to people who make $700,000. and up, each year, and to waste it on the DOD and Homeland security. I got that.

fine

Trump was an incredibly good POTUS and only what Obama handed him kept him from being 100% brilliant and perfect and in 2.0 he's dealing with all that Biden left him

fair's fair - all that happened with Trump was Obama's fault and Bidens, right ?
 
right - I never said 25%

thank you for admitting you were wrong
How was I wrong? It's you that didn't read the complete comment accurately. Stop being such a big baby and own your mistakes.
 
good gawd

ya'll absolutely CANNOT justify voting Democrat then after the trillions Obama and Biden's administrations added

I'm surprised to see liberals concerned at all about national debt
Reagan spent the most of any president in history as a percent of gdp.
You were shown this and then left the discussion.
Bush 2 was right there with Obama.

You are blind to the spending of both parties. Likely, based on your joy, you don't care.

Just admit, you are greatfiul you save a couple thousand $$$$ while your kids and grandkids are left paying the bill.

Stop blaming dems when you cheer about more debt when R's contribute as much and more.

I am more conservative than you. And just because I am NOT MAGA, doesn't make me liberal. To most of the world.

I am not surprised MAGA or so called fake conservatives don't care about the national debt. They make it more than any other group in history.
 
just say that fair share = paying everything and more so people can get free stuff

at least that's honest
LOL, as you cheer in this thread about how much free stuff you are getting.
 
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