how much will the Big Beautiful Bill save you every year ?

[eohrnberger]

What makes you think that the CEO of the Hospital who ran the clinic doesn’t know what he is talking about?

“Unfortunately, the current financial environment, driven by anticipated federal budget cuts to Medicaid, has made it impossible for us to continue operating all of our services, many of which have faced significant financial challenges for years,” Community Hospital CEO Troy Bruntz said in a statement.

As I've posted, this CEO is blaming his apparent own failure on just signed legislation which hasn't even come into effect yet.

Did you even read the article?

Wrong again. The story was not posted the day you wrote your post.

Doesn't change my argument nor my opinion.

What’s your point? The Hospital administration can read the bill and they know what the impact is on their business.

Do you believe there's a difference between the CEO's predicted impact of the legislation and the actual impact of that legislation?
I mean people's predicted impact is very often very wrong.

These 'cuts', are they using the 'DC definition', where a lack of an anticipated increase is wrongly called a 'cut'?

Specific to these 'cuts' which have been claimed by many on the left, and on their Lugenpresse, isn't the reality more closely resembling this:

On May 22, the House of Representatives passed the One Big Beautiful Bill (OBBB). The bill contains many health policy provisions aimed at addressing excesses and abuses during the Biden administration. The policies would reform Medicaid by reducing state Medicaid money laundering schemes, introducing work and community engagement requirements, and removing ineligible enrollees. The policies would also significantly increase program integrity in the Affordable Care Act (ACA) exchanges by reversing many Biden administration policies that pursued enrollment at any cost and led to tens of billions of fraudulent spending. The bill also includes a significant expansion of health savings accounts (HSAs).​

Health Care Provisions in the One Big Beautiful Bill: Reducing Waste, Fraud, and Abuse While Empowering American Patients

The OBBB contains many health policy provisions aimed at addressing excesses and abuses during the Biden administration.

paragoninstitute.org

Drawing you attention to:

"aimed at addressing excesses and abuses during the Biden administration" and​

"reducing state Medicaid money laundering schemes", and​

"removing ineligible enrollees".​

Further drawing your attention to:

"significantly increase program integrity in the Affordable Care Act (ACA) exchanges by reversing many Biden administration policies that pursued enrollment at any cost and led to tens of billions of fraudulent spending"​

Reducing excesses, money laundering schemes, removing ineligible enrollees, increase program integrity, reducing tens of billions of fraudulent spending, all seem to be good things to achieve to me, and likely to extend the fiscal soundness and longevity of the programs in question.

None of these or aims, falsely called 'cuts', appear to be unreasonable.

Is that healthcare CEO admitting that his system's financial survival depended on these excesses, fraud, waste and abuse spending?
Don't you think that healthcare systems which depend excesses, fraud, waste and abuse are ones that we shouldn't be keeping alive via those means?

 

[JoeyJoystick]

On overtime / tips etc ?

Using this calculator - how much will ya'll save every year ?

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Hi Cat,

The amazing part is obviously that people sold out there country for just 4,000USD. Max. lol.

Are you gonna do a poll also asking how much people lost? Do that in a year though.

Elections are more an IQ test than anything else.

Joey

 

[hecatmoggie]

Hi Cat,

The amazing part is obviously that people sold out there country for just 4,000USD. Max. lol.

Are you gonna do a poll also asking how much people lost? Do that in a year though.

Elections are more an IQ test than anything else.

Joey

first 18-24 months of Biden we saw 6-10% inflation each quarter - the inflation from those years was crushing, you're absolutely right and lower/middle income people lost bigly

 

[HumblePi]

blame someone else

ok - Biden is to blame for all of Trump's administration issues and Obama in Trump 1.0

there - easy


you're making excuses because the Democrat presidents added Trillions more in national debt than Republican's did - 100% FACT

The US national debt has been impacted by the actions of every president throughout history. Here are the biggest factors that contributed to the national debt in the last 20 years:

• Wars and Military Spending:Military spending increases, such as those during the War in Afghanistan and the War on Terror under President George W. Bush, added to the debt.
• Tax Cuts: Policies involving significant tax cuts can also contribute to rising debt.
• COVID-19 Pandemic: The pandemic triggered massive stimulus spending, leading to a significant jump in the national debt.

How many wars did Republicans get the United States into in recent memory? How many times has the Republican Party given big tax breaks to the rich? The republican spending bill will raise the national debt another three to $4 trillion.

 

[hecatmoggie]

The US national debt has been impacted by the actions of every president throughout history. Here are the biggest factors that contributed to the national debt in the last 20 years:

• Wars and Military Spending:Military spending increases, such as those during the War in Afghanistan and the War on Terror under President George W. Bush, added to the debt.
• Tax Cuts: Policies involving significant tax cuts can also contribute to rising debt.
• COVID-19 Pandemic: The pandemic triggered massive stimulus spending, leading to a significant jump in the national debt.

How many wars did Republicans get the United States into in recent memory? How many times has the Republican Party given big tax breaks to the rich? The republican spending bill will raise the national debt another three to $4 trillion.

you're right - impacts do make a difference but inevitably the responsibility is on the President and his administration - don't blame the previous coach for a 5-22 season, don't blame the fans, don't blame the players .... the Head Coach gets all the credit and all the blame

I got a tax break in 2017 and Trump just made them permanent plus the OT break .... I'm not rich

if the national debt rises right now .... blame Biden ??? Blame Democrats ? no ... blame Trump, he's the President and it was like that with Biden, Trump 1.0 and Obama and GW before him etc

the problem is the Fed Govt spending trillions more than it brings in - its a 25 years old problem FYI

 

[rahl]

yes, its called national debt

Raw numbers

don't liberals believe in blaming the President before for everything ?

I don’t know. Ask a liberal.

 

[HumblePi]

you're right - impacts do make a difference but inevitably the responsibility is on the President and his administration - don't blame the previous coach for a 5-22 season, don't blame the fans, don't blame the players .... the Head Coach gets all the credit and all the blame

I got a tax break in 2017 and Trump just made them permanent plus the OT break .... I'm not rich

if the national debt rises right now .... blame Biden ??? Blame Democrats ? no ... blame Trump, he's the President and it was like that with Biden, Trump 1.0 and Obama and GW before him etc

the problem is the Fed Govt spending trillions more than it brings in - its a 25 years old problem FYI

The problem is, and has always been, the generous tax breaks for people making over $500k annually. It's basic math. If every person is not paying their fair share of tax based on their annual income, there will be substantial shortfalls every year.

 

[hecatmoggie]

The problem is, and has always been, the generous tax breaks for people making over $500k annually. It's basic math.

bring in $500 spend $800
bring in $50,000 spend $80,000
bring in $500,000,000 spend $800,000,000
bring in $5,000,000,000, spend $8,000,000,000


do you not see the problem isn't revenue ?

If every person is not paying their fair share of tax based on their annual income, there will be substantial shortfalls every year.

the rich pay almost all of the income taxes in the USA - and you are being lied to when the liberal media says its not their fair share

 

[HumblePi]

bring in $500 spend $800
bring in $50,000 spend $80,000
bring in $500,000,000 spend $800,000,000
bring in $5,000,000,000, spend $8,000,000,000


do you not see the problem isn't revenue ?



the rich pay almost all of the income taxes in the USA - and you are being lied to when the liberal media says its not their fair share

The problem is always revenue. The tax codes are different for every level of an annual earnings. Incidentally, the “big tax breaks” for regular people expire in 2028. However, the tax breaks for the wealthy never expire.

 

[NuffSaid]

so $35 co-pay for hospital visits isn't too much too ask, its not much money anyway

right ?


$2400 buys me a lot of groceries
800-1000 gallons of fuel for a vehicles/mowers/farm
a lot of fishing gear
a lot of hunting gear
a couple of guns and plenty of allnuition
2 house payments
many many months of auto insurance

$2400 to use lower class people is vastly different then $2400 to most of the rich debatepolitics left/liberal/Democrat crowd ... ya'll think $2400 is chump change

Biden gave me nothing back in 4 years - thank you Democrats ! Democrats would TAKE more from me if it wasn't for Republican's. They raise taxes and spend trillions - its what they do and then complain someone else isn't paying enough lol

1000 gallons of gas @ $3 a gallon is $3000.
You're in debt.
Much like what this bill does for America.

 

[dairyair]

On overtime / tips etc ?

Using this calculator - how much will ya'll save every year ?

The One Big Beautiful Bill

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Nothing.

It only pushes a larger bill down to the kids and grandkids and greatgrandkids of the future.

Are you celebrating more debt?

 

[dairyair]

I'm 24x7x365 on-call with few exceptions (PTO)

per this calculator I'll get in my pockets around $2400 extra every year

THANK YOU TRUMP AND GOP !!!

Thank your kids and grandkids.
You are stiffing them with larger bills in the future.

So many selfish people.

 

[NuffSaid]

When have Republicans ever actually done anything about the debt or deficit?

Complained about it constantly when a Democrat is in office.
Then become radio silent when a Republican is in office.

 

[HumblePi]

Here's something great for the American people, paid for by the 'big beautiful bill', right?

 

[iguanaman]

its simple

about $2.4 trillion comes in from income taxes - what % do poor people pay of that and what % of that does rich pay? or just give number, either way

can you do that? or do you even care ?

Tax rates are based on what the earner can afford to pay. Did you know that? Do you think we should change that?

 

[iguanaman]

excuses excuses

Actually I gave you data that says Republicans have added more to the debt than Democrats during their terms. Not to mention that GOP tax cuts are the cause of most all of our debt. US Revenue as a % of GDP is one of the lowest in the OECD. There is your answer to who made our debt. The GOP cut taxes on their donors and put Trillions of dollars on the credit card for our children to pay. The worst part is that people like you cheer them on. What are you thinking?

Yes, the statement is accurate. U.S. total tax revenue as a percentage of GDP is indeed among the lowest in the OECD. In 2022, it was 27.7%, while the OECD average was 34%. The U.S. ranked 31st out of 38 OECD nations in this regard, according to the Tax Policy Center.

 

[eohrnberger]

Right.

Rural southwest Nebraska clinic closes, blaming expected Medicaid cuts

McCook-based Community Hospital said it is shutting down its clinic in Curtis, a town of about 900 people.

www.klkntv.com

Ignore your eyes. Let us tell you what you are seeing!

So about this claim that this just passed legislation is what's killing rural hospitals.

Big Beautiful Bill Rural Hospitals​

The final form of the Big Beautiful Bill includes a $25 billion Rural Hospital Transformation Fund, intended to help offset reduced Medicaid funding and support rural hospitals affected by changes to Medicaid provider taxes. Additionally, there was a proposed increase to this fund to $50 billion over five years, which was included in a last-minute amendment but ultimately voted down by both Republicans and Democrats in the Senate. Despite the rejection of the $50 billion amendment, the original $25 billion fund remains in the bill to assist rural hospitals.​

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Your push narrative that the recently passed and signed into law legislation is caused by that signed into law legislation is specious.

 

[iguanaman]

So about this claim that this just passed legislation is what's killing rural hospitals.

Big Beautiful Bill Rural Hospitals​

The final form of the Big Beautiful Bill includes a $25 billion Rural Hospital Transformation Fund, intended to help offset reduced Medicaid funding and support rural hospitals affected by changes to Medicaid provider taxes. Additionally, there was a proposed increase to this fund to $50 billion over five years, which was included in a last-minute amendment but ultimately voted down by both Republicans and Democrats in the Senate. Despite the rejection of the $50 billion amendment, the original $25 billion fund remains in the bill to assist rural hospitals.​

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Your push narrative that the recently passed and signed into law legislation is caused by that signed into law legislation is specious.

Your belief that a bandaid is all those hospitals need to treat the gaping wound the bill creates in their funding is laughable an so so typical. Half assed "fixes" for the humongous problems that you create is not "winning".

The new analysis highlights that the $25 billion fund falls short of what is needed. Even if every single dollar of the new fund went exclusively to rural hospitals, it would not fill even half of the gap in funding created by the One Big Beautiful Bill Act (OBBBA). More specifically, the OBBBA generates $58 billion in Medicaid cuts over the next ten years for rural hospitals. But the rural transformation fund is limited to $25 billion over this time period, which is only 43 percent of previous funding levels (if all the funds were to go to rural hospitals). Many of America’s states with large rural populations would fare especially poorly under the fund. Manatt’s estimates show that southern and mid-western states with sizable rural populations that have expanded Medicaid face the largest remaining gaps.
Reductions in Medicaid funding of this magnitude would likely accelerate rural hospital closures and reduce access to care for rural residents, exacerbating economic hardship in communities where hospitals are major employers. A state-by-state analysis of the impacts can be found here.
“We appreciate the recognition of Senate leadership regarding of the plight of rural hospitals and of the significant impacts the reconciliation package may have on rural health care. However, the proposed Rural Health Transformation Fund by itself doesn't offset the cuts to Medicaid coverage. The changes to Medicaid will result in significant coverage losses, reduce access to care for rural patients, and threaten the viability of rural facilities,” said Alan Morgan, CEO of the National Rural Health Association.

https://www.ruralhealth.us/blogs/20...al-–-impacts-of-the-rural-transformation-fund

 

[hecatmoggie]

The problem is always revenue. The tax codes are different for every level of an annual earnings. Incidentally, the “big tax breaks” for regular people expire in 2028. However, the tax breaks for the wealthy never expire.

you are in favor of no accountability and drunkard spending - clearly - and when this Fed Govt overspends by $37 trillion you think the spending is a taxation issue


its fascinating - I'm curious how much money do you send to the Fed Govt every year ? you think we should all pay more taxes, I assume your'e sending more on your own ?

 

[hecatmoggie]

1000 gallons of gas @ $3 a gallon is $3000.
You're in debt.
Much like what this bill does for America.

1000 @ $2.40 and I'm not

remember Biden and $4-$5.50 gas and no breaks ?

I do

 

[hecatmoggie]

Nothing.

It only pushes a larger bill down to the kids and grandkids and greatgrandkids of the future.

Are you celebrating more debt?

As Democrats and Republican's have for 20+ years

 

[hecatmoggie]

Thank your kids and grandkids.
You are stiffing them with larger bills in the future.

So many selfish people.

good gawd

ya'll absolutely CANNOT justify voting Democrat then after the trillions Obama and Biden's administrations added

I'm surprised to see liberals concerned at all about national debt

 

[ColdHardTruth]

you had to move goalposts - typical

educate yourself vs listening to liberal media


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Believe It or Not - the Richest Americans DO Pay Most of the Federal Income Tax

Do the wealthy pay their fair share? You decide.

howmuch.net

More nonsensical bullshit.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Tax rates are based on what the earner can afford to pay. Did you know that? Do you think we should change that?

just say that fair share = paying everything and more so people can get free stuff

at least that's honest

 

[hecatmoggie]

More nonsensical bullshit.

just giving you hard truths and facts


you no any other liberals can show any evidence at all that the lower income people of the US pay the bulk of the taxes - do you know why ?

because they don't - the wealthy do