How many of you call yourselves a PROUD AMERICAN?

[Robertinfremont]

Yes they tried to abort me but I got a lawyer

Fast thinking as an Embryo.

 

[vegas giants]

Fast thinking as an Embryo.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Is there a forum of Canadians where I can visit them to tell them how to run their country too?

When you refuse to defend your own country, we have a name for such people.
When you value the foreigner above our citizens, then fly the flag of the foreigner at your abode.

DACA was to be a 2 year program. What happened to that part of DACA?

DACA was to be a 2 year "holding pattern" that would allow for Congress to work out a reasonable and logical method of dealing with people who did NOT voluntarily enter the US without going through the necessary bureaucratic hoops.

That proved to be an impossibility as the "Republicans" (whatever that means) held firm to the position that the only reasonable and logical method of dealing with people who did NOT voluntarily enter the US without going through the necessary bureaucratic hoops - REGARDLESS of what their age was when they entered and REGARDLESS of how long they had been in the US and REGARDLESS of their conduct whilst in the US and REGARDLESS of whether or not they had any actual connection with the country that they had been born in and REGARDLESS of whether or not they even knew that they were not legally in the United States of America was to

SEND "THOSE PEOPLE" BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM
AND
DO IT IMMEDIATELY
REGARDLESS
OF WHAT EFFECT IT HAS ON ANYONE ELSE.​

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

With all our faults I'm still proud of my country. Nobody said democracy would be pretty. Especially in such a diverse, tribal culture as we live in. The most diverse society in the world. I'm often amazed we get along as well as we do.

I have to take issue with your "The most diverse society in the world." since there are 24 countries that are more diverse than the United States of America.

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However, I probably wouldn't take any issue with "Based on what little I know of the world outside of the United States of America, and accepting what I have been told to believe as 100% true, then I think that the US is the most diverse country in the world.".

 

[pamak]

To the point that he is who stopped it.

I watched and heard all words in your video. I do not pull Democrats cheap stunts by barking, do you have a point? I saw the point.

Now get my point. Those separated kids were only separated due to laws that when you check, you will find they are Democrats laws.

I made the point clear that you want to have a debate about issues for which you do not know or (pretend that you do not know) basic facts .

When you asked me to "prove" that Trump was responsible for separating the kids, you revealed your ignorance.

So, I took the time to prove your ignorance. Thus, you cannot have a serious point

 

[CaughtInThe]

If you think I am clueless, now you understand what I believe about your own poorly crafted posts.

your boys (the Confederacy) killed, murdered and maimed Proud Americans/US Military members.

they should have hung.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The argument has never been over that point. I understand courts of law.

So did Al Capone.

 

[pamak]

Yeah right.

Obama put them in cages and everything was copacetic with liberal clowns.

Obama bused them around the country while losing track of the parents and liberals never said a word.

LOL

Even YOUR post talked about " unaccompanied kids"

Were you whining when Obama was busing unaccompanied kids around the USA

I see pathetic excuses to justify separating kids from their mothers which was a decision made by the Trump administration!

Clinton was right about the deplorables!

 

[Waddy]

I have to take issue with your "The most diverse society in the world." since there are 24 countries that are more diverse than the United States of America.

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However, I probably wouldn't take any issue with "Based on what little I know of the world outside of the United States of America, and accepting what I have been told to believe as 100% true, then I think that the US is the most diverse country in the world.".

I grew up in a military family and attended over 2 dozen different schools in many foreign countries. Trust me, we are one of the most diverse countries you will ever live in. In many of those countries "ahead" of us, segments of the population are isolated, or in open warfare on one another, have no common language, hate each others religions, and often cannot turn over political power peacefully. We get along pretty well all things considered.

 

[Robertinfremont]

So did Al Capone.

Your specialty can be the Mafia and my specialty how courts work. MMMMkay?

 

[Robertinfremont]

I made the point clear that you want to have a debate about issues for which you do not know or (pretend that you do not know) basic facts .

When you asked me to "prove" that Trump was responsible for separating the kids, you revealed your ignorance.

So, I took the time to prove your ignorance. Thus, you cannot have a serious point

Watch the Patty Mayo show on You tube and see him arguing with bail jumpers. IF you like his program, jump bail.

 

[skeptic llc]

So you suggest putting children into the same prison their parents got sent to?

Trump defends our moral values. He does not waste time claiming non citizens need to take up residence here. We pay taxes for protection at the border. And damned proud to pay for our protection. Why aren't you proud?

My "moral values" suggest that defending children is a primary goal. They are ^&*%ing children.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I grew up in a military family and attended over 2 dozen different schools in many foreign countries. Trust me, we are one of the most diverse countries you will ever live in. In many of those countries "ahead" of us, segments of the population are isolated, or in open warfare on one another, have no common language, hate each others religions, and often cannot turn over political power peacefully. We get along pretty well all things considered.

Since the US ranks as #25 out of over 200, I would have no qualms about "one of the most diverse".

Whether or not the various segments of a country's population

1. are isolated,
   
   
2. or in open warfare on one another,
   
   
3. have no common language,
   
   
4. hate each others religions,
   
   
   or
   
   
5. can turn over political power peacefully

has absolutely noting to do with the level of diversity in the country.

Of those five points,

1. "are isolated" could be applicable to the US but that would depend on how you define "isolated" (some segments of the American population have next to no contact with other segments)
   
   
2. "in open warfare on one another" likely isn't applicable to the US (on any major scale) at present [and I'm not fool enough to "predict" whether it will be applicable during the rest of my lifetime],
   
   
3. "have no common language" could well be applicable to the US depending on how you define "language" because it appears that some words have diametrically opposite meanings when you ask different segments of the American society what they mean,
   
   
4. "hate each others religions" could easily be applicable to a small, but significant, portion of the American populace (depending on the "target religion" that segment could well be growing),
   
   
   and
   
   
5. "can turn over political power peacefully" MIGHT NOT turn out to be applicable to the US (again, depending on how you define "peacefully" [in the country where I choose to live it is defined as "giving full cooperation to the incoming government in order to assure a smooth transition of government as seamlessly and rapidly as possible".

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Your specialty can be the Mafia and my specialty how courts work. MMMMkay?

If that's what you think you can pull off.

Of course, I rather suspect that a track record of over 80% "wins" in court, PLUS a track record of legislative and constitutional drafting and interpretation, PLUS a track record of making a very good living "finding out stuff" and drawing the correct conclusions from it, PLUS a string of letters after my name that is probably longer than your whole name, just might give me a bit of an edge.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

My "moral values" suggest that defending children is a primary goal. They are ^&*%ing children.

I don't see what your problem is. After all the "Right To Life" ends at birth and they chose to be born to criminals so now they have to deal with the consequences of their own choices.

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[Waddy]

Since the US ranks as #25 out of over 200, I would have no qualms about "one of the most diverse".

Whether or not the various segments of a country's population

1. are isolated,
   
   
2. or in open warfare on one another,
   
   
3. have no common language,
   
   
4. hate each others religions,
   
   
   or
   
   
5. can turn over political power peacefully

has absolutely noting to do with the level of diversity in the country.

Of those five points,

1. "are isolated" could be applicable to the US but that would depend on how you define "isolated" (some segments of the American population have next to no contact with other segments)
   
   
2. "in open warfare on one another" likely isn't applicable to the US (on any major scale) at present [and I'm not fool enough to "predict" whether it will be applicable during the rest of my lifetime],
   
   
3. "have no common language" could well be applicable to the US depending on how you define "language" because it appears that some words have diametrically opposite meanings when you ask different segments of the American society what they mean,
   
   
4. "hate each others religions" could easily be applicable to a small, but significant, portion of the American populace (depending on the "target religion" that segment could well be growing),
   
   
   and
   
   
5. "can turn over political power peacefully" MIGHT NOT turn out to be applicable to the US (again, depending on how you define "peacefully" [in the country where I choose to live it is defined as "giving full cooperation to the incoming government in order to assure a smooth transition of government as seamlessly and rapidly as possible".

split hairs, slice and dice it any way you want. spin it to your heart's content. We are one of the most diverse societies on the planet. and thanks for making my point.

 

[post]

Who but Obama declared to his minions that to pass DACA would be a violation of our constitution?

Supreme Court Upholds DACA, Ruling Against Trump ...
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/18/829858289/supreme-court-upholds-daca-in-blow-to-trump-administration
Jun 18, 2020 Supreme Court Upholds DACA, Ruling Against Trump Administration The decision is a dramatic victory for immigration advocates and gives a new lease on life for the so-called DREAMers, immigrants ..."

I remind you, I am trying to be nice. Can you see your post was misleading, compared to Trump's executive orders on steroids, hypocritical considering you are echoing his objection to DACA? Have you ever heard Trump admit one of his E.O.s conflicted with the Constitution?
Do you consider at all that Obama went out on a limb to help hundreds of thousands?

Post an example of a Trump executive order that assisted anyone in need aside from Trump, aside from Trump attempting a political advantage.

 

[Oborosen]

I'm not proud of what we've become, and I'm ashamed of many things we've done in the past.

It isn't all bad, but unless you accept that we did wrong as well as right we won't avoid the same mistakes in the future.


I suppose you could say I'm hopeful we can become something I'll be proud of, and I want to do things that further that goal.

What exactly have we become then?

 

[The Mark]

What exactly have we become then?

The same thing we always have been, and perhaps always will be.

Potential wrapped in failures and success in a confused mix.

 

[pamak]

Watch the Patty Mayo show on You tube and see him arguing with bail jumpers. IF you like his program, jump bail.

I prefer to read or watch documentaries to learn basic things about the political issues I discuss....
I suggest you do the same

 

[HumblePi]

How can I love a country that only loves you back if you're White, Christian and born here? That's not the America that people used to love. That's a country that treats people very differently depending on their skin color or religion.

 

[Robertinfremont]

I prefer to read or watch documentaries to learn basic things about the political issues I discuss....
I suggest you do the same

You want me to specialise in socialism?

 

[pamak]

You want me to specialise in socialism?

I want you to stop asking stupid questions lke the ones you keep asking in this thread.

This can happen if you have knowledge of the basic facts around the subject you want to debate.

 

[Robertinfremont]

I want you to stop asking stupid questions lke the ones you keep asking in this thread.

This can happen if you have knowledge of the basic facts around the subject you want to debate.

You are not the kind to discuss up with the regulars, check the basement where you can spew bile all you want to.

 

[pamak]

You are not the kind to discuss up with the regulars, check the basement where you can spew bile all you want to.

You say these thing only after I exposed your ignorance. A day before you wanted me to prove things that you should have known in order to have a reasonabe conversation. After I proved to you that the Trump administration was responsible for the change of pollcies that resulted in the separation of children from their parents, you "suddenly" decided that you did not like the way I talk.

The real bile comes from the people like youu who without knowledge of even the basic facts, try to invent stupid excuses to justify policies that separate kids from families. And from comments like

...

Were this American kids, I would give two figs. These children were illegal to enter. And if parents did not want to keep them, then blame the parents.

Giving "two figs" only for American kids is not a sign of patriotism. It is a sign of fanatic nationalism of the kind that morons have used to justify the moral decay of their countries.