How many more gays does god have to create...

[The Baron]

I'm still confused. Why does "traditional Christianity" not exist?

 

[ThePlayDrive]

You're trying to tell me that those words are there, only because I believe they are there. I can't believe you would support such an asinine claim.

I think the argument is usually, "those words are true only because you believe they are". Nobody doubts that they are there...

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Error. God does not create homosexuals. People make choices in life based on influences and their own beliefs. You might as well argue that God creates prostitutes, lawyers, murderers, politicians, etc. God's word clearly states it's a sin, so no God would not "create" them.

If you are correct, then God does not create hetreosexuals, either.

 

[digsbe]

If we are really going to turn the entire Bible into legal US law then we should be consistent in what is legal and what is not. You can't pick and chose things you don't personally like and uphold what sins you do like to keep legal. If we are going to legislate morality then we should make divorce illegal only in cases of marital unfaithfulness (physical abuse/adultery). We should make it illegal to have premarital sex, and depending on who's interpretation of sodomy is right we may outlaw every sexual act besides coitus.

 

[Jerry]

Then by god's own rules you'll be judged and he'll decide whether your actions warrant repraisal or praise.

And see, I'm ok with that. I accept that I will be judged by the measure that I judge.

 

[Wake]

(To be honest, this topic can be so dull and repetitious..

I'd rather discuss how Lady Gaga factors into our perception of "normality." )

 

[Wake]

If you are correct, then God does not create hetreosexuals, either.

God made us to be fruitful and multiply. He condemns homosexuality. I understand you like logic, and we all do to varying degrees, but logic cannot understand God.

 

[dontworrybehappy]

I think religion f**cks up your thinking.

I think liberalism f**ks up your thinking.

 

[ADG]

You assume God hates people.

No. God hates sin.

It is merely my belief in traditional Christianity; in the field of debate I needn't feel demonized for stating my beliefs.

I disavow any god that 'hates'.

 

[tessaesque]

"'traditional Christianity' doesn't exist. It would be more accurate to say you have a belief in your family/cultural group's version of Christianity." - tessaesque

Why doesn't "traditional Christianity" exist?

Because it has been bastardized, interpretted, divided, and restructed repeatedly since Constantine sat down 2000 years ago and created it.

 

[Jerry]

(To be honest, this topic can be so dull and repetitious..

I'd rather discuss how Lady Gaga factors into our perception of "normality." )

Lady Gaga is just Madana reloaded. Nothing original about her at all.

 

[Wake]

Lady Gaga is just Madana reloaded. Nothing original about her at all.

Dude, she came out of a huge egg on live TV and wore a full-meat loincloth. ">_>

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

So you're saying homosexuals are like a flood, killing people. I hear ya.

So all sin is equal.....you're saying homosexuals are no better than baby rapists. I understand what you're saying now.

I'm curious, Jerry. Is this going to be another thread where you make out of context, overgeneralized statements in order to get others to argue with you? Let us know, now, so we can respond accordingly.

 

[Jerry]

I think the argument is usually, "those words are true only because you believe they are". Nobody doubts that they are there...

Tucker and I both accept the authority of the bible, so 'belief' is already controlled for here.

 

[Tucker Case]

Well, I'm entitled to my copy of the bible, not even my Drill Sergeants could take that away, and I'm entitled to the education which gave me the ability to read basic English.

When I see written in Leviticus, “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable", I'm not imagining these words are there. It's no dream. I'm awake, sober, lucid, I'm holding the book in my hand, and those words are there. Anyone can look it up for themselves independently and see, so it's no hallucination. Leviticus was written thousands of years before my birth, so it can't be my subjective belief that I wrote down, either.

Anyone can also look at Leviticus and see that "But anything in the seas or the rivers that has not fins and scales, of the swarming creatures in the waters and of the living creatures that are in the waters, is detestable to you. 11You shall regard them as detestable; you shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall detest their carcasses. 12Everything in the waters that has not fins and scales is detestable to you.", but most christians chose to ignore these passages.

It is their subjective belief that allows them to ignore these passages.

It's fundamentally easy to take a token gay couple, compare their behavior to this passage, and deduce that that God is against that behavior.

It is fundamentally easy to take the token shellfish eater, compare their behavior to the passages I quotesm and deduce that God is against that behavior. Yet most people don't. This is because they ignore portions of th ebible based on tehir own subjective beliefs about those portions.

You're trying to tell me that those words are there, only because I believe they are there. I can't believe you would support such an asinine claim.

Of course, that is not I was telling you. It's what you invented because you have no real argument against what I actualy told you. It is a strawman, otehrwise known asyour typical approach. Can you ever just present a rebuttal without relying on a strawman? Ever?

 

[Wake]

Because it has been bastardized, interpretted, divided, and restructed repeatedly since Constantine sat down 2000 years ago and created it.

Again, should people preach the Word of God or not?

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

God made us to be fruitful and multiply. He condemns homosexuality. I understand you like logic, and we all do to varying degrees, but logic cannot understand God.

God created the ability to be fruitful and multiply. Homosexuals can do that. So, by your current logic, God DID create homosexuals... which is a contradiction to what you said before. So, which is it?

 

[The Baron]

“If you are correct, then God does not create hetreosexuals, either.” - CaptainCourtesy

Curious? How do you rationalize? If you concede that God creates then I think it can be safe to say that He creates according to a design. To Wake’s point, He made us to be “fruitful and multiply”.

Heterosexuality fits neatly into this design.

Homosexuality does not.

 

[Tucker Case]

Tucker and I both accept the authority of the bible, so 'belief' is already controlled for here.

Actually, I stated that the truth of God's laws cannot be gleaned from the bible by man due to the fact that all interpretations of th ebible must be filtered through the mind of man, which cannot know the mind of God.

Even if the bible is the inerrant word of God, Man could not interpret it perfectly due to man's imperfection.

 

[The Baron]

"Because it has been bastardized, interpretted, divided, and restructed repeatedly since Constantine sat down 2000 years ago and created it." - tessaesque

Ah! So Constatine created Christianity and it's been recreated numerouse times since then?

Gotcha.

 

[digsbe]

“If you are correct, then God does not create hetreosexuals, either.” - CaptainCourtesy

Curious? How do you rationalize? If you concede that God creates then I think it can be safe to say that he creates according to a design. To Wake’s point, He made us to be “fruitful and multiply”.

Heterosexuality fits neatly into this design.

Homosexuality does not.

I can't speak for CC, but I agree with him for this reason. Biblically, there is still heterosexual sin. The vast majority of sexual sin in the Bible was heterosexual sin as well. If you ban homosexuality on the premise that it's a sin then be consistent and ban premarital sex and make divorce illegal only in cases of marital unfaithfulness (abuse and adultery). I said this in my previous post.

 

[Wake]

If I may, I have a question in connection to this issue.

Should American pastors be penalized for preaching against homosexuality?

 

[Jerry]

Anyone can also look at Leviticus and see that "But anything in the seas or the rivers that has not fins and scales, of the swarming creatures in the waters and of the living creatures that are in the waters, is detestable to you. 11You shall regard them as detestable; you shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall detest their carcasses. 12Everything in the waters that has not fins and scales is detestable to you.", but most christians chose to ignore these passages.

It is their subjective belief that allows them to ignore these passages.



It is fundamentally easy to take the token shellfish eater, compare their behavior to the passages I quotesm and deduce that God is against that behavior. Yet most people don't. This is because they ignore portions of th ebible based on tehir own subjective beliefs about those portions.

We already agree that sin is rampant and integrity lacking, yes.

Of course, that is not I was telling you.

That's the only thing you could have meant. The words are there, the behavior comparable, it's position relative to the written rule, described. Belief doesn't even enter into it. An atheist can deduce the same.

 

[Tucker Case]

If I may, I have a question in connection to this issue.

Should American pastors be penalized for preaching against homosexuality?

Not in my view.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

It's never stated that God HATES homosexuals. It's stated that homosexuality is a sin. If you engage in homosexual sex, you're a homosexual. I believe your actions and choices create your lifestyle. You choose to be homosexual and engage in homosexual acts; undoubtedly homosexuals will engage in homosexual acts because they're homosexual. Geez.

If you're having sex with the same sex, you're homosexual, or at least "bisexual."

There are so many flaws with this post, I don't know where to start. Firstly, you need to define "homosexual sex"... which I doubt you can. Secondly, you would need to identify what a homosexual lifestyle is... and remember, one's sexuality does not define them, unless you walk up to folks and say, "hi, I'm Wake and I'm straight". Lastly, you do not need to be homosexual to engage in homosexual acts... firstly because of point #1, and secondly because there are other reasons that people have sex with those of the same sex; situational sexuality in prisons, where control and dominance are the main factors, for example. These folks are not gay or even bisexual.