How Legitimate Peace And Unity Begins

[SCrider]

99% is anti liberal.

Get over it.

Owning the Libs is all that matters, right? Who cares if you have to align yourself with terrorists.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

Thanks for proving me right you poor pathetic person

I'm feeling left out! I protest!

 

[devildavid]

Well I have seen loads of vido evidence of it.

I suspect that most other open minded and aware people have also seen some of them. That may be why 25% of Democrat voters think the result was a fraud.

What does video evidence of election fraud look like? Was it a close up of hundreds of thousands of ballots being changed? Was is a video of ballots that showed close ups of ballots for Trump being being destroyed? Was it a video of a computer changing votes?

 

[lurchadams]

Blah blah blah

You chickens came home to Roost.

They're your chickens pal. Just like a trumpist like you to blame others for your own failings. Sucks to be you!

 

[lurchadams]

I'm feeling left out! I protest!

I didn't post this. Where did you get it?

 

[ataraxia]

Now, in that context (of displacement and dispossession -- Moore certainly references that in his monologue -- that class struggles to define its interests, in a sense its right to be, and its right to continue, against a very real, a very pointed, and a very deadly attack against all that is required to *be*. We have spoken of that in other places. It has to do with power and also with self-definition.

And that is why I refer -- fairly, and openly, without flinching -- to 'the war on whiteness'.

Now, what is that? Let's attempt to see it. It is a war against America's core definitions of self. The Founders certainly.

You clearly don't know anything about American history, its self-definition, or the founding fathers:
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“Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority (of the legislature), in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan (Muslim), the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination.”
-Thomas Jefferson, autobiography

"I had always hoped that this land might become a safe and agreeable asylum to the virtuous and persecuted part of mankind, to whatever nation they might belong.”
-George Washington

“Born in other countries, yet believing you could be happy in this, our laws acknowledge, as they should do, your right to join us in society, conforming, as I doubt not you will do, to our established rules. That these rules shall be as equal as prudential considerations will admit, will certainly be the aim of our legislatures, general and particular.”
-Thomas Jefferson

"America was indebted to immigration for her settlement and prosperity. That part of America which had encouraged them most had advanced most rapidly in population, agriculture and the arts. "
-James Madison
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If you spent half as much time reading primary source material on the founding fathers rather than whatever stuff you are reading, you would be better informed about true American identity and the founding fathers. You worry about liberals being the ACID dissolving the core of American identity? You may want to look in the mirror. A little shame is a good thing. Your vision of America would have been a very alien one to its founding fathers.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

How many want to see the seditionist MAGA "soldiers" get swapped for the folks who crossed the border? (the ones with otherwise clean records of course) I'd love it if instead of a bunch of MAGA neighbors I could have more Jose's and Marias.
I doubt Geo, CCA and the rest of the privately owned detention corporations care who the inmates are. They only care about the $$$. And I don't have the slightest desire to spend the rest of my life living around people who mourn their "lost cause" (like the Confederacy) because I already spent thirteen years living in the Deep South and that's the part about living down there that sucks.

 

[ultmd]

Republicans must:

• To a man and woman acknowledge the elections were legitimate, Biden won fairly, and Donald Trump’s fantastical claims of election rigging were just that. They must acknowledge the voter fraud hoax they used as a predicate for their campaigning.
• Those who incited the insurrection by backing these claims should resign. Cruz and Hawley have to go, for sure.
• Donald Trump must be impeached with strong bi-partisan support. Removal, should it come now or next congress, same. Both parties must speak with one voice where he is concerned.
• LEadership must ratchet way down the Rush Limbaification of their rhetoric. Stop using commie marxist socialist interchangably in response to virtually every policy proposal a Democratic politician makes (be adults, and stop with the dumb DEMOCRAT POL shit). Stop calling your voters “patriots” vs everyone else.
• Republican voters themselves need to take a breath and instead of demanding we listen to ”74m of us” stop to think there were 81m who disagreed, we are Americans too, and we should have a say as well. The idea that the 74m are the single most important group of humans in the country demanding all of our oxygen is an idea that needs to be put to bed.

Notice none of these bullet points require accepting policies you don’t agree with, polticians you don’t wish to vote for, etc. But if your expression of peace and unity is simply demanding no accountablity for the GOP while still telling us it was a rigged election and we’re all commies, and George Soros, blah blah nope. Nope.

Elections have consequences.

Excellent.

It's time for the Gopers to begin to understand what "F Your Feelings" actually feels like, from the business side of that slogan.

And, whether or not the Gopers are able (or willing) to meet such reasonable requirements, the Dems need to move swiftly to render the Electoral College moot. Statehood for DC and Puerto Rico is probably the easiest way to accomplish that in the short term.

Other agenda items to pursue with "republican-like" focus:

• -Federalize the entire COVID pandemic response
• -Restore Voting Rights protections (i.e. John Lewis Voting Rights Act)
• -a Massive federal infrastructure plan to:
  • -rebuild our highways, roads, bridges, public schools.....
  • -establish nationwide broadband
  • -establish highspeed rail from coast to coast
• -A Green energy "Manhattan Project"
• -Federally mandated congressional redistricting laws
• -Reverse the Trump Tax Cuts for the top 3% and revise the Corporate rates

All are long-standing agenda items that enjoy STRONG bipartisan public support....but have have opposed and blocked by congressional republicans over the last 2 decades.

The Democrats need to tell the Gopers "F Your Feelings", and ram all of these agenda items through Congress while they have majorities in both houses. The more they can accomplish from that list, the better the economy will be...and the more likely the Dems will be to gain seats in the midterm elections (and in 2024).

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Excellent.

It's time for the Gopers to begin to understand what "F Your Feelings" actually feels like, from the business side of that slogan.

And, whether or not the Gopers are able (or willing) to meet such reasonable requirements, the Dems need to move swiftly to render the Electoral College moot. Statehood for DC and Puerto Rico is probably the easiest way to accomplish that in the short term.

Other agenda items to pursue with "republican-like" focus:

• -Federalize the entire COVID pandemic response
• -Restore Voting Rights protections (i.e. John Lewis Voting Rights Act)
• -a Massive federal infrastructure plan to:
  • -rebuild our highways, roads, bridges, public schools.....
  • -establish nationwide broadband
  • -establish highspeed rail from coast to coast
• -A Green energy "Manhattan Project"
• -Federally mandated congressional redistricting laws
• -Reverse the Trump Tax Cuts for the top 3% and revise the Corporate rates

All are long-standing agenda items that enjoy STRONG bipartisan public support....but have have opposed and blocked by congressional republicans over the last 2 decades.

The Democrats need to tell the Gopers "F Your Feelings", and ram all of these agenda items through Congress while they have majorities in both houses. The more they can accomplish from that list, the better the economy will be...and the more likely the Dems will be to gain seats in the midterm elections (and in 2024).

I can do business with a man like you.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

Your vision of America would have been a very alien one to its founding fathers.

This is an unsupported declaration in lieu of a coherent argument. You are free however to declare what you wish.

 

[ataraxia]

This is an unsupported declaration in lieu of a coherent argument. You are free however to declare what you wish.

The quotes I provided are as direct a support as can be. What do you have? Don’t tell me 30+ books and it’s all so metaphysical. What’s next? I suppose next you are going to tell us the founders really wanted a Catholic theocracy in this country? How do we know that? Read 30+ books and it’s metaphysical, right? What you think we are all 5 years old? Maybe you think we should all go have fun looking for Obama’s secret birth certificate for another 6 years straight too? Anything less would be Alinskeyesque , right?

It would be amusing if it all wasn’t so maliciously sadistic and you weren’t so breathlessly excited at the prospect of hurting others. You are barely containing your enthusiasm. Oh but don’t tell me, you haven’t even begun to make any moral judgments yet, huh?

You may be looking for a more gullible and uneducated audience.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

I just dislike the man because I think he is petty and small-minded, rude, ignorant, arrogant, and ill-mannered -- a very poor choice to represent this great nation on the world stage.

How you feel, of course, has validity and I don't dismiss it. There is something somewhat grotesque in the manner of Donald Trump. I wrote about that in my second bulleted post.

But at the same time how you feel means nothing to those who feel and think differently. I always make an effort to try to see how they see him, and of course by 'they' I refer to approximately half of the nation that you-plural refer to as citizens of Dumbf***kistan and someone else here referred to as 'rubes'. What interests me -- sociologically -- is this radically different perception, a radically different way of seeing, a radically different interpretation.

I came across this video presentation and watched it last night. What I find interesting in it is that the view that it offers, the glimpse into the activity of Donald Trump, does not appear in 'the legacy media', though perhaps I should limit what I say to the NYTs, for the simple reason that, like you, they have deliberately allowed themselves and their reporting and seeing to become clouded by their hysterical rage and focused hatred.

What I assume you cannot understand, because you have willed not to understand, is that what this man talks about, and what is important to him, though absolutely irrelevant to you and totally unimportant, indeed a sign of ignorance and rubishness, nevertheless is a substantial part of Dumbf***kistan's and those rube's value-system. And in my own case -- though I am deeply suspicious of American political machinations generally and am chary to invest in handing over confidence to them -- I have gotten the impression that Donald Trump as a man has grown and changed during the course of his presidency. I think he 'rose to the occasion'. I assume that the weight of the responsibility moved him in certain ways. Donald Trump is a flawed man, no doubt of this, yet he has done many things that seem to me -- within the context of American presidencies -- very worthy.

If we are to be honest and if we were to speak honestly about perceptions of Americans in a general sense, we might have to stop and linger over your running description: petty and small-minded, rude, ignorant, arrogant, and ill-mannered. All that I want to point out is that these are national *character defects*. As you know I have written about 'the dumbing-down of America'. And I believe that I am clear and on the mark if I refer, with some compassion and empathy, to the malnutrition of America's working class (and of course with special focus on those regions Michael Moore has been concerned with through his entire neo-journalistic career, and those regions which determined DT's election). So, where I have set my stake, as it were, is in defending and appreciating that class of person -- those people -- that you refer to as Dumbf***kistan.

[cont. next]

 

[Alizia Tyler]

[cont. from previous]

I want to comment on:

How many want to see the seditionist MAGA "soldiers" get swapped for the folks who crossed the border? (the ones with otherwise clean records of course) I'd love it if instead of a bunch of MAGA neighbors I could have more Jose's and Marias.

The Legacy Media has not in any sense offered a fair and realistic picture of those -- about 1/2 of the voting nation -- who favor and appreciate Trump. So right now they are working a very pointed angle of representing them in the worst possible light. This is a devious PR and propaganda effort and is related, of course, to the original description: the deplorables. [French déplorer, lament, regret, from Latin dēplōrāre : dē-, de- + plōrāre, to wail.]

What takes place here is that The Legacy Media through PR and propaganda techniques focuses your hatred and your virulent contempt into a hatred . . . for your own people. This is something -- a phenomenon -- that needs to be examined closely. You will betray your own people, but this also means your own selves, through some strange but very questionable moral manoeuvre. I simply want to say that though you are free to sell out your own people, and your own nation, I can definitely state that I will never go along with you. And as I say I will work 24/7/364 to expose you for what (I believe) you are.

That 'focused hatred' and 'hysterical rage' do interest me, I mean in the sense that it is a phenomenon worthy of objective study. I suppose I must confess that it is one of the reasons why I simply do not believe anything you say, nor anything the leaders of the Progressive-Left ideological regime through the mouthpiece of the Democratic Party says. This is why I wrote about their duplicitousness.

We are in no sense at the beginning of some *healing* process -- only an idiot could fall into such a ludicrous belief -- we are at the beginning of a long and protracted political and social struggle. "We are men of action. Lies do not become us".

 

[ataraxia]

How you feel, of course, has validity and I don't dismiss it. There is something somewhat grotesque in the manner of Donald Trump. I wrote about that in my second bulleted post.

But at the same time how you feel means nothing to those who feel and think differently. I always make an effort to try to see how they see him, and of course by 'they' I refer to approximately half of the nation that you-plural refer to as citizens of Dumbf***kistan and someone else here referred to as 'rubes'. What interests me -- sociologically -- is this radically different perception, a radically different way of seeing, a radically different interpretation.

I came across this video presentation and watched it last night. What I find interesting in it is that the view that it offers, the glimpse into the activity of Donald Trump, does not appear in 'the legacy media', though perhaps I should limit what I say to the NYTs, for the simple reason that, like you, they have deliberately allowed themselves and their reporting and seeing to become clouded by their hysterical rage and focused hatred. What I assume you cannot understand, because you have willed not to understand, is that what this man talks about, and what is important to him, though absolutely irrelevant to you and totally unimportant, nevertheless is a substantial part of Dumbf***kistan's and 'those rubes' value-system. And in my own case -- though I am deeply suspicious of American political machinations generally and am chary to invest in handing over confidence to them -- I have gotten the impression that Donald Trump as a man has grown and changed during the course of his presidency. I think he 'rose to the occasion'. I assume that the weight of the responsibility moved him in certain ways.

If we are to be honest and if we were to speak honestly about perceptions of Americans in a general sense, we might have to stop and linger over your running description: petty and small-minded, rude, ignorant, arrogant, and ill-mannered. All that I want to point out is that these are national *character defects*. As you know I have written about 'the dumbing-down of America'. And I believe that I am clear and on the mark if I refer, with some compassion and empathy, to the malnutrition of America's working class (and of course with special focus on those regions Michael Moore has been concerned with through his entire neo-journalistic career). So, where I have set my stake, as it were, is in defending and appreciating that class of person -- those people -- that you refer to as Dumbf***kistan.

[cont. next]

This would all be fine if they weren’t so gleefully malicious, hurtful, petty, and scared like a little girl. That makes them less sympathetic characters. And they have been so frightened and beaten by the right wing media that they will bite any hand that tries to help them, and only lick the boot that kicks them. All because the Koch brothers want to cut their personal taxes a little more.

The immigrants they so loathe, the hardworking Pedros and Marias whose children they so heartlessly take hostage from them for daring to seek refuge, are better representative of the pioneering spirit and “lift yourself up by the bootstraps” vision of this country than the frightened, petty, small-minded, and mean-spirited vision they have shown.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

The quotes I provided are as direct a support as can be. What do you have?

The quotes have a certain relevancy, of course, but what I point out is that up until 1965 the nation The United States of America was an Anglo-Saxon nation. This is not my word-choice. It was part of the lexicon of terms that were used to describe America by America.

In 1965 through new legislation there was a deliberate effort to 'change the face of America'. And from 1965 until 2021 the demography of the United States has changed radically. I suggest that it is this, this cultural and demographic shift, that is producing cultural and social conflict in the United States. And in my own case I understand and I appreciate, and I support, those who talk about and write about what is resulting within the Republic from these changes. For example Pat Buchanan and Ann Coulter, among many.

You see I think I fully understand, and I also think that you-plural in fact state it quite directly (see Checkerboard Strangler for example), that you are actively choosing a sort of cultural betrayal. You are the people who, if I may use such a bold term, would 'sell out America'. It is this complex sentiment of yours -- a sort of self-contempt, a turning against your own self, a turning against your own people and your nation -- that motivates ideological elites in the determining echelons of America. And you employ a devastating moral argument against anyone who feels differently or desires a different outcome to your Multi-Cultural dilution-plan.

So in regard to this, in regard to all of it, what I make an effort to do is to *put it out on the table* for conversation. I try to get to the heart of the matter. Then, it is possible to make ethical and moral assessments.

But your-plural tactics are absolutely reprehensible! You fight tooth and claw using emotional and shaming arguments so that these things cannot even be discussed in a fair-minded way. For this reason you-plural are devious.

Noticing this, describing this, putting emphasis on this as a factor, and understanding that the present social conditions in America today -- profound discontent, deep anger, a sense of betrayal, and a sense of 'being under siege', and a sense of being 'sold out' but not given allowance to speak about any of this, is not a moral failing on my part. It is not immoral to notice this and speak about it.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

How many want to see the seditionist MAGA "soldiers" get swapped for the folks who crossed the border? (the ones with otherwise clean records of course) I'd love it if instead of a bunch of MAGA neighbors I could have more Jose's and Marias.
I doubt Geo, CCA and the rest of the privately owned detention corporations care who the inmates are. They only care about the $$$. And I don't have the slightest desire to spend the rest of my life living around people who mourn their "lost cause" (like the Confederacy) because I already spent thirteen years living in the Deep South and that's the part about living down there that sucks.

The undocumented population > MAGA assholes. Ain’t even close.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

This would all be fine if they weren’t so gleefully malicious, hurtful, petty, and scared like a little girl. That makes them less sympathetic characters. And they have been so frightened and beaten by the right wing media that they will bite any hand that tries to help them, and only lick the boot that kicks them. All because the Koch brothers want to cut their personal taxes a little more.

They immigrants they so loathe, the hardworking Pedros and Marias whose children they so heartlessly take hostage from them for daring to seek refuge, are better representative of the pioneering spirit and “lift yourself up by the bootstraps” vision of this country than the frightened, petty, small-minded, and mean-spirited vision they have shown.

This is a fantastic post and you should be proud of contributing a wholly good work to the internet. Many thanks.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

This would all be fine if they weren’t so gleefully malicious, hurtful, petty, and scared like a little girl.

Now THAT is ad hominem! A chemically-pure example. You are entitled to your opinion and your assertion of course. However, it is not a tactic that works in upstanding argumentation.

Yet it nicely illustrates the essential tactic of the duplicitous Left-Progressive regime. Their essential focus is in blame & shame. The wielding of a sentiment -- an assignment -- of moral evil to those who see things differently. You pull out the Heavy Armaments of an absolute moral condemnation.

What I suggest -- to one and to all -- is seeing this and deliberately *getting out from under its weight*. That is, seeing through it, and seeing that it is a deeply immoral and a profoundly unethical mode of argument.

 

[ataraxia]

The quotes have a certain relevancy, of course, but what I point out is that up until 1965 the nation The United States of America was an Anglo-Saxon nation. This is not my word-choice. It was part of the lexicon of terms that were used to describe America by America.

Which is funny, because even then, as now, the majority ethnic groups were Irish and German.

Your vision of America is filled with inaccuracies and falsehoods.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

This is a fantastic post and you should be proud of contributing a wholly good work to the internet. Many thanks.

Ah yes, the *chiming in* with declarations of *agreement. It is part of a psuedo-moral game, moralism badly played. You want to bolster him in an essentially ad hominem position that he came to through not having a substantial and a sustainable argument.

Suddenly, it becomes a game of the pack. A team effort. What I suggest is that this plays out at a massive, cultural level.

These are, as I say, very common techniques that are used every day. They are empty, they are vacuous, they are also profoundly immoral and unethical, and they are used all the time and with great force and effect.

 

[Geoist]

How about we have a decent proper investigation of the claims of fraud first and if the investigation comes up with the result that fraud did change the election result there is another election?

Why? So you can delay the inauguration and have Trump stay as president a bit longer? The courts have already spoken. Trump lost.

If there is a proper, open, investigation with all claims of fraund fully looked at you will find that 99% of the Trump supporters will accept the result.

Lol, no they won't. They will just say the investigation was compromised.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

Your vision of America is filled with inaccuracies and falsehoods.

Actually, what I said is entirely accurate. But what I hope that you will notice is that simply by stating a fact you implicate me in moral malevolence. And this is all that I wish to point out: the assignment of moral defectiveness. Your-plural essential argument, insofar as it is an argument, is in this. It begins in this and it reduces to this. And when you are seen as losing a bad argument, you turn really viscious.

That viciousness is present and visible all around us. And the Left-Progressives in the form of the American Democratic Party wield this viciousness in a destructive. acidic manner.

Now is it becoming clear to you? How many times must I drag you through the same rehearsals?!?

What I suggest is that you linger on this. Examine it. Think about it. Talk about it.

Turn the lens of examination around to focus on yourself.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Ah yes, the *chiming in* with declarations of *agreement. It is part of a psuedo-moral game, moralism badly played. You want to bolster him in an essentially ad hominem position that he came to through not having a substantial and a sustainable argument.

Suddenly, it becomes a game of the pack. A team effort. What I suggest is that this plays out at a massive, cultural level.

These are, as I say, very common techniques that are used every day. They are empty, they are vacuous, they are also profoundly immoral and unethical, and they are used all the time and with great force and effect.

I’m sorry your posts sucked and his were better on this subject.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Why? So you can delay the inauguration and have Trump stay as president a bit longer? The courts have already spoken. Trump lost.



Lol, no they won't. They will just say the investigation was compromised.

I would love to have each of these guys be contacted by police and told that people in the neighborhood “believe” their wife was raped by them. If they have nothing to hide, the wife will take a rape kit test and the hubby will be fingerprinted immediately.

Right? that’s how this works. You just keep casting aspersions as though they’re real and demanding investigation. “BUT IF YOU DIDN’T RAPE HER, WHY ARE YOU AGAINST AN INVESTIGATION? WHAT ARE YOU HIDING?”

 

[ataraxia]

Now THAT is ad hominem! A chemically-pure example. You are entitled to your opinion and your assertion of course. However, it is not a tactic that works in upstanding argumentation.

Yet it nicely illustrates the essential tactic of the duplicitous Left-Progressive regime. Their essential focus is in blame & shame. The wielding of a sentiment -- an assignment -- of moral evil to those who see things differently. You pull out the Heavy Armaments of an absolute moral condemnation.

What I suggest -- to one and to all -- is seeing this and deliberately *getting out from under its weight*. That is, seeing through it, and seeing that it is a deeply immoral and a profoundly unethical mode of argument.

Anyone

Actually, what I said is entirely accurate. But what I hope that you will notice is that simply by stating a fact you implicate me in moral malevolence. And this is all that I wish to point out: the assignment of moral defectiveness.

What I suggest is that you linger on this. Examine it. Think about it. Talk about it.

The talk of being Anglo-Saxon was mostly propaganda during WWII to express solidarity with the UK against Germany. Like all propaganda, it was not accurate of course, but only to serve a political purpose. Do you really think the majority ethnic group in the US during WWII was Anglo—Saxon? Not at all. It was actually only around 12%.