How can you explain the American GOP voting against limiting the price of insulin?

[Hypothetical]

the only link i see in here deals with republican cutting insulin prices... how about a link about whatever bill they voted against?

 

[Nomad4Ever]

They generally believe in a free market economy.

How can you explain all the ultra-wealthy Democrats who want to reduce the price of insulin not putting their money where their mouths are and investing their money in insulin production and then selling it at reduced prices?

If you believe Republicans also think that reducing insulin price is a good thing, shouldn't Republicans also be doing that?

 

[Slartibartfast]

They generally believe in a free market economy.

How can you explain all the ultra-wealthy Democrats who want to reduce the price of insulin not putting their money where their mouths are and investing their money in insulin production and then selling it at reduced prices?

Opportunity cost. Its easier and more effective to pass legislation and then use that money to do things like fight malaria in Africa. You get more done using investment as one of many tools in a toolbox.

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

Why doesn't Biden fix it with an EO if he can't get the GOP to go along with it?

Why? don't your right wingers love to whine about executive orders? legislation is permanent. any other moronic deflections you want to throw out to avoid actually making an argument?

 

[Noodlegawd]

If you believe Republicans also think that reducing insulin price is a good thing, shouldn't Republicans also be doing that?

Republicans are not the ones complaining about it.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Opportunity cost. Its easier and more effective to pass legislation and then use that money to do things like fight malaria in Africa. You get more done using investment as one of many tools in a toolbox.

It's not "easier" if the legislation doesn't pass, or it results in a reduced supply of insulin or other drugs.

 

[Cardinal]

Republicans are fighting vaccination because keeping the pandemic going will be bad for Democrats in the midterms, and people are wondering why Republicans are against insulin price limits.

 

[Slartibartfast]

It's not "easier" if the legislation doesn't pass, or it results in a reduced supply of insulin or other drugs.

scenario 1 is likely to happen, scenario 2 is extremely unlikely to happen. Insulin has been around for a long time and is very cheap to make, this won't affect that.

 

[Phys251]

If you can't afford life saving medicine that's just the free market at work. If they don't want to work harder to not die, then they better get along with it and die to not be a drain on society. Huh? What do you mean I sound like a sociopath?

When you put it that way, pure capitalists sound like Ebeneezer Scrooge. Because they do.

 

[trouble13]

Why? don't your right wingers love to whine about executive orders? legislation is permanent. any other moronic deflections you want to throw out to avoid actually making an argument?

Make an argument about what? The Republicans don't like the bill and have stated why. There's nothing to add to that.

Progressives, who control both houses, are running around with their hair on fire claiming Republicans are killing people (nothing new). Biden can fix what he broke with the stroke of a pen. So stop whining and start fixing.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Republicans are not the ones complaining about it.

Shouldn't they be? Like, isn't a lower cost of insulin so more people don't die a moral good?

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

Make an argument about what? The Republicans don't like the bill and have stated why. There's nothing to add to that.

Progressives, who control both houses, are running around with their hair on fire claiming Republicans are killing people (nothing new). Biden can fix what he broke with the stroke of a pen. So stop whining and start fixing.

Then why are you posting and asking stupid questions if you have nothing? that's the entire point of the thread, how the republicans can vote against it. And you have provide none.

just more moronic trolling void of any intelligence

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

There is only one possibility: worshiping the devil.

If the devil is Martin Shkreli

 

[Noodlegawd]

Shouldn't they be? Like, isn't a lower cost of insulin so more people don't die a moral good?

Isn't the theme here that Republicans are obviously evil?

I'll ask again, why are the people claiming they are so evil not investing in insulin production themselves? There's at least one perfectly good startup out there waiting for their money. They don't even need to start from scratch.

 

[Greenbeard]

Why doesn't Biden fix it with an EO if he can't get the GOP to go along with it?

Contrary to popular belief, presidents can’t just do anything they want via executive action, those actions need to be underpinned by laws.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Isn't the theme here that Republicans are obviously evil?

I'll ask again, why are the people claiming they are so evil not investing in insulin production themselves? There's at least one perfectly good startup out there waiting for their money. They don't even need to start from scratch.

Here let me try this again;

-> people dying is bad
-> if people can't afford insulin they die (bad!)
-> a moral actor should strive to reduce the cost of insulin

So if Democrats think the best way to do that is through the state, and Republicans think the best way to do that is through the market...shouldn't you be criticizing Republicans for not investing in startups to reduce the cost of insulin? That's the preferred Republican solution isn't it? Democrats are trying to do it through what they see as the best solution, but I don't see Republicans trying to do anything at all.

Unless you don't see the high cost of insulin as a problem and don't think it is morally necessary to take steps to reduce that cost of course.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Here let me try this again;

-> people dying is bad
-> if people can't afford insulin they die (bad!)
-> a moral actor should strive to reduce the cost of insulin

So if Democrats think the best way to do that is through the state, and Republicans think the best way to do that is through the market...shouldn't you be criticizing Republicans for not investing in startups to reduce the cost of insulin? That's the preferred Republican solution isn't it? Democrats are trying to do it through what they see as the best solution, but I don't see Republicans trying to do anything at all.

Unless you don't see the high cost of insulin as a problem and don't think it is morally necessary to take steps to reduce that cost of course.

How many people died last year because they couldn't afford insulin?

 

[Nomad4Ever]

How many people died last year because they couldn't afford insulin?

Well this might be surprising, but when the choice is "death vs anything else" people usually choose anything else. Whether that means selling their belongings, taking out loans, or using unsafe products.

The price is so high that people are doing desperate things to get by, like using expired insulin, relying on crowdfunding to pay their bills, or taking less insulin than they need in an effort to ration their supplies. Rationing is extremely dangerous and can lead to a deadly condition known as diabetic ketoacidosis. Four people died in 2017 while rationing their insulin. Four more died in 2018. Five died in 2019. (Source)

Nobody should be dying because they were forced to ration their insulin just because they couldn't afford as much as they needed. Nobody should be using expired insulin. Nobody should be selling belongings or skipping meals to afford insulin.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Well this might be surprising, but when the choice is "death vs anything else" people usually choose anything else. Whether that means selling their belongings, taking out loans, or using unsafe products.

Nobody should be dying because they were forced to ration their insulin just because they couldn't afford as much as they needed. Nobody should be using expired insulin. Nobody should be selling belongings or skipping meals to afford insulin.

So about 5 people per year. Sounds like a problem Nancy Pelosi could solve with the change she finds in her couch. But her solution is to take money from other people instead.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

So about 5 people per year. Sounds like a problem Nancy Pelosi could solve with the change she finds in her couch. But her solution is to take money from other people instead.

Bro, most people are going to go into crippling debt before letting themselves die. If they don't take insulin, the DIE.

Diabetic ketoacidosis is how Nicole Smith-Holt lost her son. Three days before his payday. Because he couldn't afford his insulin. (Source)

1/4 people with diabetes admit to rationing their insulin and taking less than is safe.

Rationing insulin, as Nicole Smith-Holt's son Alec did, is a dangerous solution. Still, 1 in 4 people with diabetes admits to having done it. I've done it. (Source)

You don't risk DYING for shits and giggles. They literally cannot afford it. They are choosing between insulin or food at this point. How can you not admit this is a serious issue?

 

[Noodlegawd]

Bro, most people are going to go into crippling debt before letting themselves die. If they don't take insulin, the DIE.

1/4 people with diabetes admit to rationing their insulin and taking less than is safe.


You don't risk DYING for shits and giggles. They literally cannot afford it. They are choosing between insulin or food at this point. How can you not admit this is a serious issue?

I never claimed it wasn't a serious issue, but you keep moving the goalposts.

Just because it's a serious issue doesn't mean there's only one solution to it, or that we have to throw our principles out the window to solve it.

 

[Integrityrespec]

For a reason, sometimes the details are important, because typically everything Trump did was not well thought out

Biden Administration Rescinds Trump Administration Insulin Pricing Rule

One of the final healthcare actions made by the Trump Administration has been rescinded by the Biden Administration. On December 23, 2020, the Trump Administration finalized a rule that directed the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to ta

www.policymed.com

That's liek the idiocy of demanding drug testing for welfare recipients wehre they found so little tested positive and it cost more to run the test than any potential money going to someone on drugs.

Also, the Bill was intended to fix that, and do the same thing Trump had but without the burden his rule had in place, as well as a bill is more permanent than just an order. So your deflection is stupid, there is no defense of this its just that Republicans are scum

Here's what Trump did.

Trump slashes cost of insulin for Medicare enrollees to $35 a month

WASHINGTON — President Trump on Tuesday will announce a prescription plan drastically reducing the cost of insulin for American seniors who rely on Medicare. The deal struck with the nation&#…

nypost.com

And Biden undid it because he didn't bother to look at anything but, "Trump did it so I have to kill it'.

 

[Greenbeard]

Here's what Trump did.

Trump slashes cost of insulin for Medicare enrollees to $35 a month

WASHINGTON — President Trump on Tuesday will announce a prescription plan drastically reducing the cost of insulin for American seniors who rely on Medicare. The deal struck with the nation&#…

nypost.com

And Biden undid it because he didn't bother to look at anything but, "Trump did it so I have to kill it'.

If we're going to pretend the GOP supports $35/month insulin, they've got to vote for the bill! They didn't.

 

[Integrityrespec]

What else was in the democrat bill, that's what you have to look at. I doubt the bill was rejected because of he insulin price cut.

 

[trouble13]

Contrary to popular belief, presidents can’t just do anything they want via executive action, those actions need to be underpinned by laws.

Trump did it