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How can this possibly be constitutional?

Ganondagan said:
American culture and traditions were absolutely based on Christian values. Leftists Christianity haters have a point if they talk about the American government, but are absolutley and pathetically wrong in thinking the American polity never was, or is not now, based on Christianity.
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No, they were based on British Common law and British culture. The American polity was never based on Christianity. It was based on the Enlightenment.
 
devildavid said:
No, they were based on British Common law and British culture. The American polity was never based on Christianity. It was based on the Enlightenment.
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You're sadly wrong, and apparently happy to be uneducated. You can make the case that the American government is based on enlightenment ideas, but you can't make the same case for the American polity.

BTW, where do you imagine the foundation of British culture comes from if not Christianity?
 
Ganondagan said:
You're sadly wrong, and apparently happy to be uneducated. You can make the case that the American government is based on enlightenment ideas, but you can't make the same case for the American polity.

BTW, where do you imagine the foundation of British culture comes from if not Christianity?
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English Common law, part of the basis of the US Constitution (which makes no reference or link to christianity) predates widspread christianity in Europe by about 200 years.
 
Ganondagan said:
You're sadly wrong, and apparently happy to be uneducated. You can make the case that the American government is based on enlightenment ideas, but you can't make the same case for the American polity.

BTW, where do you imagine the foundation of British culture comes from if not Christianity?
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No, what I stated is a fact of history. Don’t think you can tell me what it means to be uneducated as you fall for Christian propaganda. Christianity is not the main source of Western culture at all. And you apparently don’t know what polity means.
 
devildavid said:
No, what I stated is a fact of history. Don’t think you can tell me what it means to be uneducated as you fall for Christian propaganda. Christianity is not the main source of Western culture at all. And you apparently don’t know what polity means.
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The Influence of Christianity on World Civilization, Education, Science, and Inventions — From the Inception of the Faith to the Modern Age​

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The Influence of Christianity on World Civilization, Education, Science, and Inventions — From the Inception of the Faith to the Modern Age

“You are the salt of the earth… You are the light of the world.” – Matthew 5:13–14 Introduction: The Global Reach of Christianity Since the birth of Christianity in the 1st century A.D., this faith…
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Christian theology profoundly influenced Western political thought, shaping the foundational principles of governance and the moral framework within which societies operate. Throughout history, theologians and philosophers integrated religious beliefs with political theory, proposing that divine authority underpins the legitimacy of rulers and the laws they enact.

This interplay between faith and politics led to the development of concepts such as the divine right of kings and the idea of a just war, profoundly affecting the evolution of statecraft. Furthermore, the emphasis on human dignity derived from theological perspectives contributed to the emergence of human rights discourse, ensuring that individual freedoms and social justice became integral part of political ideologies. In contemporary times, the remnants of this theological influence continue to resonate within various political systems and debates, illustrating the enduring legacy of Christian thought in shaping the principles that govern modern societies.
 
it’s simple really. Keep all religions out of government. If an entity receives government funding it harms everyone. No religion should be permitted to be present in any government entity. Not your religion, not my religion, no religion allowed.

No religion should have preference. No state sponsored religion. No religious governance. If your faith needs to prove it was here first, fine. That’s OK. Be number one all you want, but there cannot be government sponsored special treatment.

Equal treatment, same same, for all religions. That really should not be difficult to accept. If there is NO religion in any form in government all the arguments in this thread would have no meaning. That would be a good thing and a step toward peace.
 
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Individual said:
Public schools, NO. Sunday schools, Okay.
I moved my Daughter, when in the 4th grade, from the local school about 2km from home, to another school about 23km away when she brought home some schoolwork containing text from the Bible. Most people are Buddhist where we live, though there are a few who have been converted to Christianity. Most of my relatives are/were religious, Episcopalian, Catholic, Baptist, though I was an atheist from about age 6, and later found my Grandfather also was.
Our education system should concentrate on teaching what our young need to know to succeed in life.
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Yes Public schools too. We need God EVERYWHERE public school work where ever we go.
 
Careyap87 said:
Yes Public schools too. We need God EVERYWHERE public school work where ever we go.
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Speak for yourself! God should not be promoted by the government or its institutions, per the separation of church and state.
 
Careyap87 said:
Yes Public schools too. We need God EVERYWHERE public school work where ever we go.
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I have no problem with God coming to school and speaking to the students.
 
Gordy327 said:
What part of separation of church and state do you not understand?
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"Separation of church and state" is a shibboleth, calling on dead men and faded paper to fight battles for us. They have grown weary of our hypocrisy and abandoned us in the care of such courts as we have.

The reason to keep government out of religion is that government is brutal and corrupt, and religion is a delicate instrument. It is officially a miracle any time religion tunes into God. And a religion tuned into targeted subsidies if the governor of Texas likes your film or at risk of demise if Trump orders the IRS to investigate your tax exemption ... that is no religion at all. It is the burnt-out remains of a television with a dull fire flickering inside, presented to gullible children as a broadcast from some lost age of civilization.
 
bythoughts said:
"Separation of church and state" is a shibboleth, calling on dead men and faded paper to fight battles for us. They have grown weary of our hypocrisy and abandoned us in the care of such courts as we have.

The reason to keep government out of religion is that government is brutal and corrupt, and religion is a delicate instrument. It is officially a miracle any time religion tunes into God. And a religion tuned into targeted subsidies if the governor of Texas likes your film or at risk of demise if Trump orders the IRS to investigate your tax exemption ... that is no religion at all. It is the burnt-out remains of a television with a dull fire flickering inside, presented to gullible children as a broadcast from some lost age of civilization.
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Your rhetorical nonsense does not address or refute what I said.
 
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