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How can this possibly be constitutional?

I'm a little late to this party, but I urge everyone to look up the Ten Commandments. One thing to notice is that there are differences in the numbering used by different traditions. They are backing Protestant, not Catholic numbering - making it clear where the state stands in that ancient and well-known schism. But it gets worse: they EDITED the Commandments. Heavily. For brevity, convenience, and to emphasize their own way of thinking. Many say that it should say "commit murder" instead of "kill", for example.

Now, what would the Jewish tradition say about this, at least as translated by Christians?
Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.
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All told, I think this law should disturb the religious people more than the atheists.
 
LittleNipper said:
What I see are ingrates and nasty people who somehow feel that they owe GOD nothing and that GOD owes them everything. Does GOD really ask for so much? I don't think so.

I Corinthians 1:27-29 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him.
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Maybe the wise understand that all this is just stuff made up by men.
 
Loulit01 said:

The legal battle over Louisiana law requiring schools to display Ten Commandments​

It's pretty specific. It says the Ten Commandments need to be displayed in large, easily readable font. The law also says posters displaying the commandments have to include a context statement, the exact wording of which was included in the law passed by Louisiana's Republican-controlled legislature. It's several paragraphs but, in short, says the Ten Commandments, quote, "were a prominent part of American public education for almost three centuries," though I should say some historians argue that isn't true.

The U.S. Supreme Court struck down a similar law to Louisiana's in 1980. In that ruling, the court said requiring schools in Kentucky to post the Ten Commandments, quote, "had no secular legislative purpose," was plainly religious and therefore unconstitutional. Now, Louisiana's attorney general argues the state's law is different and constitutional. She says it passes a history and tradition test and that it's about teaching morals. Opponents aren't buying that, though. They say this case is about getting something that's already been decided back to the Supreme Court, which now has a conservative supermajority.

Let's explain the 7th Commandment to 3rd Graders.
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But they're going to post the tenet's of Judaism, Islam, Buddhism and Satanism as well aren't they? I mean the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" and later states in the Supremacy Clause "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."
 
The Ten Commandments didn’t come from any god. They came from a man who needed to add some weight to them so he said they came from god. They really are just rules he made in a desperate attempt to reign in an unruly group into a unified one in order to fight their enemies and establish a homeland. The rules were only meant for that group to stop them from doing all the things they are doing that caused disunity. God is always used in this way by leaders trying to get their way, for better or worse. And people tend to fall for it, so they keep on doing it.
 
devildavid said:
The Ten Commandments didn’t come from any god. They came from a man who needed to add some weight to them so he said they came from god. They really are just rules he made in a desperate attempt to reign in an unruly group into a unified one in order to fight their enemies and establish a homeland. The rules were only meant for that group to stop them from doing all the things they are doing that caused disunity. God is always used in this way by leaders trying to get their way, for better or worse. And people tend to fall for it, so they keep on doing it.
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Don't forget there were actually 15 Commandments until Moses accidentally dropped a tablet. [Mel Brooks reference 😆]
 
Gordy327 said:
Don't forget there were actually 15 Commandments until Moses accidentally dropped a tablet. [Mel Brooks reference 😆]
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There are really 613 commandments if you dig into the details. The 10 Commandments are seen as some magical rules that would make us all behave perfectly. They are not and since they hold no real consequences they are easily ignored.

613 commandments - Wikipedia

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devildavid said:
There are really 613 commandments if you dig into the details. The 10 Commandments are seen as some magical rules that would make us all behave perfectly. They are not and since they hold no real consequences they are easily ignored.

613 commandments - Wikipedia

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I certainly ignore them. I dont need religious "commandments" to know how to be a good person.
 
mrjurrs said:
But they're going to post the tenet's of Judaism, Islam, Buddhism and Satanism as well aren't they? I mean the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" and later states in the Supremacy Clause "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."
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The Ten Commandments is a basic tenet of Judaism. It comes from the Torah. Christians stole it, thereby breaking one of the commandments.
 
roguenuke said:
This sort of thing belongs in church, for whatever religion you may believe, not in schools, especially not public schools. That's what freedom of religion is all about.
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Sociology, Philosophy, and History are subjects every decent education should include. I mean they don't teach kids how to even read clocks, or how to write in cursive, or how to read maps. Hopefully education might just return to the standards of the 1950's and not just try not leaving anyone behind --- while students enjoy the same mundane education together. If it wasn't for computers and cell phones the kids would not even be able to communicate with each other because they hardly go outside... Rude is ALL CAPS, but the F word that's just everyday common lingo. And many parents are even more immature than their children... But they certainly do have a passion for body art & piercing, craft beer, computer games, and dressing like they were ten with the vocabulary of a drunken sailor (four letter vocabulary is about all some can handle). Who has time for church with such a heavy roster of pointless frivolity. Society today thinks its freedom from religion instead of freedom of religion. And if you ask someone what they believe, you might just get a little more than a HUH?
 
devildavid said:
Christians are whoever says they are Christian and believe in whatever seems to currently fall under the very broad and exceedingly vague definition that no none can agree upon. And there is no god providing any input to clarify it.
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I blame people like you for the confusion. You think Christians is anyone who says he is... Christians can generally tell by simply talking to any individual to figure if that person is a true believer. But you wont accept that appraisal as being anything other than mean, and narrow minded. YOU are confused and not me.
 
LittleNipper said:
I blame people like you for the confusion. You think Christians is anyone who says he is... Christians can generally tell by simply talking to any individual to figure if that person is a true believer. But you wont accept that appraisal as being anything other than mean, and narrow minded. YOU are confused and not me.
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I blame Christians for the confusion. They came up with way too many variations showing how confused Christians are about their own beliefs. There really is no such thing as a true Christian and any Christian who claims there is will end up in grave disagreement with other Christians. I don’t really think there is such a thing as true any religious belief but many believers get hung up on this. And it never leads to anything good or worthwhile. It is a believers who caused the confusion, not non believers.
 
quietlady said:
The way to test whether this would bother you or not. Is put another faiths,other than christianity,in the classrooms on the wall. Would this bother you?
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I worked as a teacher, in both the areas of History and Life Sciences (having degrees in Biology and History).

So to answer your question, No. In fact, I would use the opportunity to designate an area of space on one of the walls to put up some element of other faiths. Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, etc. along with the Christian commandments. I would use that to allow for educational discussions on the history and geographical spread of each.

It would encourage the students to learn, and interact in class with each other on the topic of religious differences and similarities. Also backgrounds for historical actions like the crusades, or the fall of Constantinople and the Islamic religion of the Turkish victors in conflict with the Eastern Orthodox Christians.
 
quietlady said:
The way to test whether this would bother you or not. Is put another faiths,other than christianity,in the classrooms on the wall. Would this bother you?
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I want no...I DEMAND...the commandments of L. Ron Hoover of The Church of Appliancetology.
My wife and kid are all involved in the appliance business and that's our church.

The Catholics have Vatican City, we have Spatula City.
Our virgin is Madge, Our Lady of Palmolive and our prophet is The Maytag Man.
The Tidy Bowl man built our ark.
You guys anoint with oil, we anoint with Vick's Vapo-Rub.
You guys talk a lot about sin, but your hypocrisy would choke a mule.
Our Saint Ajax is Stronger Than Dirt.
 
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LittleNipper said:
Sociology, Philosophy, and History are subjects every decent education should include. I mean they don't teach kids how to even read clocks, or how to write in cursive, or how to read maps. Hopefully education might just return to the standards of the 1950's and not just try not leaving anyone behind --- while students enjoy the same mundane education together. If it wasn't for computers and cell phones the kids would not even be able to communicate with each other because they hardly go outside... Rude is ALL CAPS, but the F word that's just everyday common lingo. And many parents are even more immature than their children... But they certainly do have a passion for body art & piercing, craft beer, computer games, and dressing like they were ten with the vocabulary of a drunken sailor (four letter vocabulary is about all some can handle). Who has time for church with such a heavy roster of pointless frivolity. Society today thinks its freedom from religion instead of freedom of religion. And if you ask someone what they believe, you might just get a little more than a HUH?
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So now you just use hyperbole and BS claims to deflect from what I said?

If you don't have time for church, don't go. That's a choice you make. I will tell people in a minute or less what I believe in the context you're talking about as can my oldest son. My youngest, being autistic, would likely just wonder why you're asking him such a question and why it matters.
 
Captain Adverse said:
I worked as a teacher, in both the areas of History and Life Sciences (having degrees in Biology and History).

So to answer your question, No. In fact, I would use the opportunity to designate an area of space on one of the walls to put up some element of other faiths. Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, etc. along with the Christian commandments. I would use that to allow for educational discussions on the history and geographical spread of each.

It would encourage the students to learn, and interact in class with each other on the topic of religious differences and similarities. Also backgrounds for historical actions like the crusades, or the fall of Constantinople and the Islamic religion of the Turkish victors in conflict with the Eastern Orthodox Christians.
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You should really put up the reasons why the founders of the nation feared Christianity’s internal conflicts that led to many of them coming to the New Word, to begin with. And how religions gaining even a small foothold of political favoritism can easily lead to Christians persecuting Christians.

World religions is a topic for course study, not something to fill walls with just because certain Christian groups think the Ten Commandments should be posted on walls. Why not put pictures of great scientists, mathematicians, philosophers etc. on the walls to encourage real learning which wouldn’t be such an obvious attempt to placate non Christians?
 
devildavid said:
I blame Christians for the confusion. They came up with way too many variations showing how confused Christians are about their own beliefs. There really is no such thing as a true Christian and any Christian who claims there is will end up in grave disagreement with other Christians. I don’t really think there is such a thing as true any religious belief but many believers get hung up on this. And it never leads to anything good or worthwhile. It is a believers who caused the confusion, not non believers.
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You are not a Christian and shouldn't be making any determination as to what constitutes one.
 
devildavid said:
I blame Christians for the confusion. They came up with way too many variations showing how confused Christians are about their own beliefs. There really is no such thing as a true Christian and any Christian who claims there is will end up in grave disagreement with other Christians.
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If you think that's bad, you should see the taxonomists. :)

Just because things beyond the normal and scientific are hard to perceive or study, doesn't mean there isn't anything out there. We rely on notions of self, consciousness, right and wrong every single day. Either we can examine those things with the tools of traditional concepts, or not, but not examining them does not make them go away, and does not stop us from making decisions they could have informed.
 
LittleNipper said:
You are not a Christian and shouldn't be making any determination as to what constitutes one.
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You don’t get any say in who is or isn’t a Christian lol.
 
Loulit01 said:
Wait until the Satanists insist on putting their literature on the walls because the government can't discriminate. Then you can imagine the horror.
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I suspect a lot of people would say that is exactly what the LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ +1@4 dogma in K-12 classrooms is.
 
j brown's body said:
It rather begs the question about who this is for. The students won't care about it.

This seems more like a virtue signaling trick.
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I actually agree with you.

But it reveals the insane hypocrisy of the virtue signaling left for melting down over it. Virtue signaling dominates public schools - this is just the "wrong" virtue according to the left.
 
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