• Please read the Announcement concerning missing posts from 10/8/25-10/15/25.
  • This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

History channel making John F Kennedy smear program

Middleground said:
Not necessary. Nixon did a good enough job of smearing himself.
Click to expand...
Maybe so, maybe not. There's a school of thought that says White House counsel John Dean threw Nixon under the bus to save his own ass. [/derail]
 
I have always thought that JFK was one of the most overrated presidents we have ever had. I would put him on the level of Gerald Ford (just a better speaker). Yet he gets ranked up with our greatest presidents.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I have always thought that JFK was one of the most overrated presidents we have ever had. I would put him on the level of Gerald Ford (just a better speaker). Yet he gets ranked up with our greatest presidents.
Click to expand...
I think it is largely because he was physically attractive and was killed in office. But for those two factors he would probably be nothing more than a footnote in presidential history.
 
Coronado said:
I think it is largely because he was physically attractive and was killed in office. But for those two factors he would probably be nothing more than a footnote in presidential history.
Click to expand...

I agree completely. I think he is predecessor Eisenhower is very underrated, and his successor, Johnson, for better or for worse has made more of an imprint on the nation in terms of getting his agenda enacted than any other president before or since. It is amazing what all can be traced back to the Johnson Administration. Our entire society today is still largely built around LBJ's ideas.
 
Last edited:
SouthernDemocrat said:
I have always thought that JFK was one of the most overrated presidents we have ever had. I would put him on the level of Gerald Ford (just a better speaker). Yet he gets ranked up with our greatest presidents.
Click to expand...

Yeah I have agree and I see those tourists at the Grassy Knoll and think "WTF"

Eike was much better.
 
winston53660 said:
Yeah I have agree and I see those tourists at the Grassy Knoll and think "WTF"
Click to expand...
I always see that sign when I'm driving through Dallas and I want to go see the museum there, just out of morbid curiosity.
 
Last edited:
SouthernDemocrat said:
I agree completely. I think he is predecessor Eisenhower is very underrated, and his successor, Johnson, for better or for worse has made more of an imprint on the nation in terms of getting his agenda enacted than any other president before or since. It is amazing what all can be traced back to the Johnson Administration. Our entire society today is still largely built around LBJ's ideas.
Click to expand...

Ain't that a shame, forty five years of welfare & GUBMINT handouts....
The "Great society".....PFFFT..........:Oopsie
 
It is probably justified outrage. Conservatives would likely not trash his handling of the Cuban Missile Crisis, because that was one of the few occasions everyone seemed to come to a consensus about one aspect of the whole scenario they liked and credited him and the administration for. At the same time, any time Sorensen speaks, I take it with skepticism. Think of this too for one minute.

People who work in the administration (likewise, with any administration) will tend to have two reactions to their service: 1) Rant about how stupid everyone was and how you were smart, or normal 2) Defend to the death the reputation of many of your superiors, and most importantly, at least some aspects of the President. Sorensen fits strongly in the second category for a few different reasons: 1) He believes what they, as an administration did was right 2) He was close friends with John F. Kennedy 3) He is still an active Democrat who has not shied away in the least of declaring strange things to make current generations feel better about Kennedy and the Democratic Party (Kennedy would have ended the war, Obama is the next Kennedy, and so forth).

Now, Sorensen and many others will have particular insight about John Kennedy that is incredibly valuable and you cannot discount, but at the same time, consider your sources.

On a side note, meeting Sorensen was fun, intimidating, and funny.
 
Last edited:
Fiddytree said:
It is probably justified outrage. Conservatives would likely not trash his handling of the Cuban Missile Crisis, because that was one of the few occasions everyone seemed to come to a consensus about one aspect of the whole scenario they liked and credited him and the administration for. At the same time, any time Sorensen speaks, I take it with skepticism. Think of this too for one minute.
Click to expand...

A few years ago I did a project on the Cuban Missile Crisis for History Day, and I got to speak with Khrushchev's son who is now a college professor at Brown. He said that his father mostly put the missiles in Cuba because he was PO'd that Kennedy and IKE kept trying to off Castro. If so much effort wasn't put into trying to take out Castro (or at least being competent about it) the crisis may have been averted.
 
apdst said:
Especially the heroes of Liberalism, huh?

Bet you would be as upset about a program smearing Nixon.
Click to expand...

You're right, JFK was and still is the hero of liberalism aka personal freedom, equal rights, the constitution, and an honest government. Thomas Jefferson was also a true liberal. Nixon on the other hand... Well he made a mess of himself.
 
Phantom said:
You're right, JFK was and still is the hero of liberalism aka personal freedom, equal rights, the constitution, and an honest government. Thomas Jefferson was also a true liberal. Nixon on the other hand... Well he made a mess of himself.
Click to expand...

You need to learn some more about the real JFK.

Jefferson was a Classical Liberal. Far from the modern day Liberals.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I have always thought that JFK was one of the most overrated presidents we have ever had. I would put him on the level of Gerald Ford (just a better speaker). Yet he gets ranked up with our greatest presidents.
Click to expand...
Sounds just like Obama.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I have always thought that JFK was one of the most overrated presidents we have ever had. I would put him on the level of Gerald Ford (just a better speaker). Yet he gets ranked up with our greatest presidents.
Click to expand...

Absolutely correct. The reason he was in Texas that day was because he was in danger of being a one term president. His approval numbers before he was shot were terrible and his reelection campaign was in trouble.
 
It is quiet obvious to any pragmatic person that Nixon was a much better President then JFK ever was or could have been. Watergate was a mistake and a bad move, but the illegal failed invasion of Cuba........where he allowed hundreds to die and let to the escallation of the cold war into a potential Nuclear cluster**** a few years later.
 
Gill said:
Absolutely correct. The reason he was in Texas that day was because he was in danger of being a one term president. His approval numbers before he was shot were terrible and his reelection campaign was in trouble.
Click to expand...

Not true. Nixon had him killed and then he had his brother, Bobby killed, along with Martin luther King. It changed history forever.

I never have seen a right winger killed, only liberals.

Now, they are working on obama.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom