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Redress said:
Oh good god when did conservatives become such whiny victims? Kids act like assholes, it must be the liberals fault and my feelings are hurt...
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Not all kids act like ***holes, and I would even go further and say that it isn't all liberal students that are projecting this. But it only takes a small number to be constantly grabbing attention, and you have perception. So tell me, are you willing to just turn a blind eye? Or, should we hold institutions like Colleges accountable for their blatant lie of being an "open forum, and open exchange of ideas" when we know this to be false?


j-mac
 

Why would you be so scared of the openness? Is it only the liberal ideas that deserve debate? How very "Moderate" of you.


j-mac
 


What liberal ideals have these kids espoused?

I have little doubt they could be classified as reactionaries and are probably leftists, but let's not confuse that with actual liberalism, shall we?
 

J-mac,

Issues that undermine academic freedom or more broadly have a harmful impact on student learning outcomes should be addressed sooner rather than in the long-term. Today's graduates need to be prepared to have a chance to be as fully productive members of society (workforce and in life in general) as possible. If they cannot be fully productive, that would have adverse implications for the nation's productivity, competitiveness, economy, and finances. In short, even if my answer didn't fully convey it, I believe it is imperative that significant situations that deprive students of a good education should be treated as urgent matters by colleges/universities, their accrediting bodies, and also public policy leaders given the investments made in higher education. As a caveat, I do not believe public policy officials should attempt to dictate curricula. Their focus should be on outcomes, graduation success, etc.
 
SE102 said:
Sorry, that evil men that are evil because they just are and hate us because we are free as they plot to kill us everyday is absurd. Theres nothing intellectual about it and it received the natural and human reaction of absurd dismissal.
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Bin Laden's letter to America
9/11 attacks

How many foiled attacks?

Sorry your naivety is the only thing absurd and lacking anything "intellectual"?
 
UtahBill said:
Would you include topics like creationism in "academic freedom"?
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IMO, "creationism" would be a fair topic for perhaps a discussion dealing with the role some interepretations of religion have with respect to contemporary issues. It should not be part of a science course/curricula, especially a higher education curricula, on account of its non-empirical nature, religious/philosophical underpinnings, etc. Academic freedom is not synonymous with granting license for an "anything goes" approach to courses and curricula.
 
j-mac said:
Why would you be so scared of the openness? Is it only the liberal ideas that deserve debate? How very "Moderate" of you.


j-mac
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Keeping creationism out of a science course is not a "liberal idea."

Liberals don't have a problem with creationism in a religion or philosophy course.
 
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I'm not proud of my alma mater in times like these, but I can't say I'm really surprised.
Rarely a week went by when I could get to class without me seeing some anti-war protesters.
Bollinger is a fierce defender of first amendment rights and always has controversial speakers come, but any even relatively pro-military speaker is going to get heckled and protested at Columbia.

Having said that, I don't even know why they would want ROTC back on campus. ROTC has never been "banned" btw http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/25/opinion/25Mazur.html

It isn't cost-efficient to hold ROTC centers for the handful of students that would participate. It's possible to attend it through another university and ivy league colleges have historically had 2-3 people actually do so.
 

That is completely false information.
 
SheWolf said:
Why are they angry?
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Because they're Liberal pieces of ****. This is why I don't like Liberals, in general. Libbos can say what they want about Conservatives, but you won't see Conservatives pulling this kind of crap.
 
Maschek yesterday offered the following comment in the Columbia newspaper:


" To all who have expressed concern or outrage over the reported events at the Columbia University ROTC Town Hall meeting:

Comments by a small number of individuals at the town hall meeting have not changed my positive experiences at Columbia. Thus far, my fellow students have been very interested in hearing about my past life and military experiences. Columbia has been attempting to get more veterans to share their experiences here, and the atmosphere here has been supportive despite the actions of a very small minority of the town hall participants."
 
j-mac said:
Why would you be so scared of the openness? Is it only the liberal ideas that deserve debate? How very "Moderate" of you.


j-mac
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We are all free to "learn" any subject we want but that doesn't mean it has to be part of a publicly funded schools curriculum....whether far right conservatism or far left liberalism, I don't see any of it being taught in high schools or college. Certainly there are some liberals in the profession, but that doesn't mean that they are trying to brainwash the masses.
If you are insisting that your particular brand of "knowledge" be taught in public, be aware that once that door is open, the freaks will take over academics and we will fall further behind other nations.
 
Deuce said:
Keeping creationism out of a science course is not a "liberal idea."

Liberals don't have a problem with creationism in a religion or philosophy course.
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They shouldn't have a problem with evolution in another course vice a science class, because it's a belief just like creationism is. It's the anti-religion, which is the same thing.
 
Also guys, read the transcript and listen to what he says and the reactions, also realizing that there were a lot of people condemning the jeerers.
 
OscarB63 said:
because their retarded arsed, limp wristed, pacifistic professors told them they should be.
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That's why Obama wants so many more kids to go to college; so they can get re-educated.
 
apdst said:
Because they're Liberal pieces of ****. This is why I don't like Liberals, in general. Libbos can say what they want about Conservatives, but you won't see Conservatives pulling this kind of crap.
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"You lie", anyone?
 

Agree with him? No, because we live in a free country. Show him just a little ****ing respect? Most certainly.

I would love to know exactly what contribution to society those cat calling ********ers have made. I'm willing to be it's, zilch.
 
iamitter said:
"You lie", anyone?
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He was censured... but that was totally worth it though. Just watching Pelosi almost have an aneurysm was worth the price IMO.
 
apdst said:
Agree with him? No, because we live in a free country. Show him just a little ****ing respect? Most certainly.

I would love to know exactly what contribution to society those cat calling ********ers have made. I'm willing to be it's, zilch.
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As someone who went to these things at Columbia often, I'll inform you we had a very vocal republican club that did the exact same thing to liberal speakers. Bollinger and even Rupp made points of inviting controversial speakers and neither ever let protestors voice their opinions. Ahmadinejad anyone?

As someone who knows quite a few of those "********ers", I'm willing to bet they've contributed more than you have.
 
apdst said:
"The Cambridge Police actedly...stupidly!", anyone? It's in their blood.
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So, you're going with an attack rather than admitting your blatant falsehood? Gotcha.
 

Riiiiiiiight, riiiiiiiight, and we're supposed to just take your word for it. Yes? Care to prove it? I got a better idea, how many Libbo speakers were actually assaulted by Conservatives, while speaking at Columbia? Can't wait for that.

As someone who knows quite a few of those "********ers", I'm willing to bet they've contributed more than you have.
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Ohhhhhhhhh, really? Wanna make a list and compare? I'm game, but I promise you won't out-do me.
 
iamitter said:
So, you're going with an attack rather than admitting your blatant falsehood? Gotcha.
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What falsehood? Last time I checked, this thread is about Columbia University, not Congress. Did I miss something? If you want to expand things to all Liberal dumb ****s, then we can do that, too. I'm thinking you prolly don't wanna go there.
 
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apdst said:
What falsehood? Last time I checked, this thread is about Columbia University, not Congress. Did I miss something? If you want to expand things to all Liberal dumb ****s, then we can do that, too. I'm thinking you prolly don't wanna go there.
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HECKLING.
"Libbos can say what they want about Conservatives, but you won't see Conservatives pulling this kind of crap."
I showed that conservatives do pull this crap.

As for the republicans not heckling at columbia, you've clearly never been there.
 
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