Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:**[W:223]**

[sKiTzo]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

The amount of accusations in your post that are unsubstantiated are astounding, but I would ask that you provide some proof of just the two that I bolded.

I'm not going to waste 4 or 5 minutes of my life to dig up information that is common knowledge for someone either pretending not to know or not interested to do it themselves. The information is there.

 

[MrT]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

I'm not going to waste 4 or 5 minutes of my life to dig up information that is common knowledge for someone either pretending not to know or not interested to do it themselves. The information is there.

Then you can take the 4 or 5 minutes to find it. Feel free to wait until you have the time. But I am not going to spend my time looking for something that I believe is a false accusation.

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

The rest of the country will blame Sanders and his name will be mud. If you want an example look at what happened to Nader after he threw the 2000 election to GW Bush. No one will want to hear from any Democratic Socialists for another generation if Trump should win. Keep it up and the SC will be stacked with right wingers that will put the hammer down on anything you might want.

But Sanders is running an honest campaign. Hillary is NOT. We've all now seen the cheating and voter fraud with our own eyes and ears. Shouldn't the one who is trying to steal the nomination drop out? After all, if she was that popular enough to beat Trump she wouldn't have to cheat now would she? No, the dems are digging their own grave.

 

[iguanaman]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

But Sanders is running an honest campaign. Hillary is NOT. We've all now seen the cheating and voter fraud with our own eyes and ears. Shouldn't the one who is trying to steal the nomination drop out? After all, if she was that popular enough to beat Trump she wouldn't have to cheat now would she? No, the dems are digging their own grave.

"Cheating" in the nomination process means someone has broken written rules that cover this election. Please tell me which rules Hillary has broken and don't tell me the million more votes Hillary has received are all frauds either.
BTW Sanders is probably the ONLY Dem that could lose to Trump (He is not really a Dem). If something happened to Hillary, Biden would be a more certain winner for sure. Sanders could not survive Trumps "He's a Commie" insults combined with his tax increases for the middle class. It would shoot him down for sure.

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

Really?

I'm not sure how old you are, or how clearly you remember the parade of obviously-trumped-up accusations thrown at the Clintons back in the 1990's. Investigation after investigation after investigation, from Whitewater to Vince Foster to "Travelgate" and others...and yet each investigation would find nothing of real consequence...except that Bill Clinton had an extramarital affair (and at least two of the GOP congressmen investigating him were having extramarital affairs of their own at the time).

Look at Benghazi. Seven freaking investigations, most of which were chaired by GOP congressmen out for Hillary's blood...and what have they found in ALL the investigations? Zero wrongdoing by Hillary. But even given that, if you ask conservatives if Hillary is guilty of wrongdoing concerning Benghazi, what will most of them answer? You know, don't you? Yes, you do.

So at what point do you realize that the overwhelming majority (though not all) of these scandals, since nearly all of them have found zero wrongdoing by the Clintons, are part of the GOP's political game to take and keep power?

I can't debate with you on this subject if you view all her scandals, especially the despicable travelgate, as "trumped up". That's just denying the glaring reality staring you in the face. Carry on with your fantastic denial - just realize others are not going to simply ignore that these things happened.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

But Sanders is running an honest campaign. Hillary is NOT. We've all now seen the cheating and voter fraud with our own eyes and ears. Shouldn't the one who is trying to steal the nomination drop out? After all, if she was that popular enough to beat Trump she wouldn't have to cheat now would she? No, the dems are digging their own grave.

What on Earth are you babbling on about?

Hillary Clinton leads Sanders by 3,000,000 raw votes...and by almost 200 ELECTED delegates.

Where is she cheating...where is she trying to steal what she has won in the voting?

 

[iguanaman]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

I can't debate with you on this subject if you view all her scandals, especially the despicable travelgate, as "trumped up". That's just denying the glaring reality staring you in the face. Carry on with your fantastic denial - just realize others are not going to simply ignore that these things happened.

You are the despicable one here. I haven't hear one word from you about why Sanders is so great. Only your hatred for Hillary stands out. So stop with the "Sanders supporter" BS and jiust admit you love Trump and we can all ignore you. You actually deserve a Trump in your life but it is not worth what the rest of us would have to endure to teach you a valuable lesson.

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

"Cheating" in the nomination process means someone has broken written rules that cover this election. Please tell me which rules Hillary has broken and don't tell me the million more votes Hillary has received are all frauds either.
BTW Sanders is probably the ONLY Dem that could lose to Trump (He is not really a Dem). If something happened to Hillary, Biden would be a more certain winner for sure. Sanders could not survive Trumps "He's a Commie" insults combined with his tax increases for the middle class. It would shoot him down for sure.

I've watched several campaign speeches of Sanders from beginning to end and I've never heard him say anything about taxing the middle class. He says he wants to tax the sht out of the 1%. Can you post something where he says the middle class?

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

What on Earth are you babbling on about?

Hillary Clinton leads Sanders by 3,000,000 raw votes...and by almost 200 ELECTED delegates.

Where is she cheating...where is she trying to steal what she has won in the voting?

Let me give you some advice so you can get out of the dark: Stop going to the MSM for your information. They're punking you.

 

[SHOOTER]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

He is saying that parties need to be more transparent with the process they use to select candidates. Standardization never hurt anyone either.

are you an AMERICAN,will you vote in this election ,if not then buttttt out.


run don run

 

[Carjosse]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

are you an AMERICAN,will you vote in this election ,if not then buttttt out.


run don run

It should not take an outsider to point out that how the parties select candidates is incredibly flawed.

 

[Redress]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

What on Earth are you babbling on about?

Hillary Clinton leads Sanders by 3,000,000 raw votes...and by almost 200 ELECTED delegates.

Where is she cheating...where is she trying to steal what she has won in the voting?

I believe the Sandernistas are upset that, instead of changing the rules mid-election to give special benefits to Sanders, they have been kept as they where.

 

[Absentglare]

Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

I believe the Sandernistas are upset that, instead of changing the rules mid-election to give special benefits to Sanders, they have been kept as they where.

Come on, Redress, you're better than that !!

"The record number of donations to Sanders is one way to measure the grassroots enthusiasm for his campaign. Another sign of his success has been big turnouts at rallies and town meetings in Iowa and New Hampshire and other states. In Iowa alone, more than 35,000 have come to Sanders-sponsored campaign events"

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-smashes-record-donations/

When you've raised tens of millions of dollars with the average donation being $27, that's a HUGE number of donors. The American democratic public has shown a great deal of support for Sanders. It is understandable for many to be bewildered by Hillary's success. This has felt like it wasn't really a contest, like the head honchos never took Sanders seriously and that hamstrung his campaign.

Further; enthusiasm about Sanders would entice the youth to vote and could have carried considerable momentum into the general. I think the democratic party has a bit of a crisis on two fronts that they're refusing to acknowledge. On the one hand, the perception that the primary was rigged will increase voter apathy among Sanders supporters, and on the other hand, Trump is not very conservative so he will be able to seduce a lot of the wary democrats.

Many people associate Hillary with business interests, and many Sanders supporters consider her eagerness to accept funding from businesses to undermine her ability to appropriately represent the American people's interests.

 

[Redress]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

Come on, Redress, you're better than that !!

"The record number of donations to Sanders is one way to measure the grassroots enthusiasm for his campaign. Another sign of his success has been big turnouts at rallies and town meetings in Iowa and New Hampshire and other states. In Iowa alone, more than 35,000 have come to Sanders-sponsored campaign events"

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-smashes-record-donations/

When you've raised tens of millions of dollars with the average donation being $27, that's a HUGE number of donors. The American democratic public has shown a great deal of support for Sanders. It is understandable for many to be bewildered by Hillary's success. This has felt like it wasn't really a contest, like the head honchos never took Sanders seriously and that hamstrung his campaign.

Further; to the extent that Sanders enthusiasm would entice the youth to vote would have carried considerable momentum into the general. I think the democratic party has a bit of a crisis on two fronts that they're refusing to acknowledge. On the one hand, the perception that the primary was rigged will increase voter apathy among Sanders supporters, and on the other hand, Trump is not very conservative so he will be able to seduce a lot of the wary democrats.

Many people associate Hillary with business interests, and many Sanders supporters consider her eagerness to accept funding from businesses to undermine her ability to appropriately represent the American people's interests.

Well, great job not even remotely addressing what I said....

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

That's true it is the electoral college that matters....

I guess you've only lost 4 out of the last 6 of those so my bad I guess? LOL!!!

Don't worry, I'll helpfully set you straight when you raise useless, irrelevant points.

:2wave:

 

[Absentglare]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

Well, great job not even remotely addressing what I said....

It absolutely addressed what you said. You accused Sanders supporters of being upset that the rules weren't changed.

The rules aren't why they are upset. They are upset because the party leadership didn't take the nomination seriously.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

I don't have to hate anyone I think is not presidential material. Your use of the hate word is annoying and old. If any hate exists, I would say it comes from you calling other people such nasty names.

Yeah, I guess people shouldn't use the word "hate", huh?

Considering Islam is like the original KKK, but they are equal opportunity haters. Supremacy is what they all about, and non-Muslims are inferior. 64% of the Koran is devoted to how to treat non-Muslims.

 

[coldjoint]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

Yeah, I guess people shouldn't use the word "hate", huh?

Comparing Hillary to Islam? Or should I say, comparing the truth about Islam to someone who never tells the truth?

 

[Frank Apisa]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

Let me give you some advice so you can get out of the dark: Stop going to the MSM for your information. They're punking you.

Get informed!

Then give advice.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

I believe the Sandernistas are upset that, instead of changing the rules mid-election to give special benefits to Sanders, they have been kept as they where.

Amazing, isn't it?

The rules were in place when he decided to run.

 

[iguanaman]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

I've watched several campaign speeches of Sanders from beginning to end and I've never heard him say anything about taxing the middle class. He says he wants to tax the sht out of the 1%. Can you post something where he says the middle class?

It's not good politics to talk about raising taxes but that won't stop an opponent from pointing it out when your proposals are all about it. $15 Trillion in new taxes is the buzz word. Here's a take using the right wing "Tax Policy Center" analysis of Sanders proposals. There's plenty of material there for a TV campaign but guess what? The GOP hasn't spent a dime opposing Sanders. preferring to let the Dems fight it out to Trumps advantage.

In total, Sanders would raise taxes by about $15.3 trillion over the course a decade, according to an analysis from the Tax Policy Center, via more than two dozen different tax hikes. And although Sanders tax hikes would be concentrated amongst high earners, just about everyone would pay more.

This would substantially cut average incomes. Sanders would raise the average tax burden in the country by about $9,000, and decrease after-tax income by about 12.4 percent, according to TPC’s estimate. Extremely wealthy people would bear the brunt of the hike, with the richest 0.1 percent paying about $3 million more in 2017 than they would with no changes—equal to nearly half (45 percent) of their average pre-tax income of $6.9 million.

But the middle class would face a significant tax hike too: with those in the middle quintile of the income range facing a tax increase of about $4,700, resulting in an average decrease in after-tax income of about 8.5 percent.

That’s worth repeating: With Sanders’ plans in place, middle-class earners would face a nearly 9 percent loss in after-tax income.

The TPC analysis makes clear that these tax hikes would have significant economic effects of the kind that most would describe as negative. “The increases in marginal tax rates under the plan would reduce incentives to work, save, and invest,” the report says. Sanders’ tax plans would also end up “significantly reducing incentives to invest and increasing tax distortions in the allocation of capital.”

One thing those tax hikes wouldn't do is substantially decrease the national debt: Most of the money raised would be plowed into new government spending.

Bernie Sanders? Political Revolution Is a $15 Trillion Tax Hike - Hit & Run : Reason.com

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

I believe the Sandernistas are upset that, instead of changing the rules mid-election to give special benefits to Sanders, they have been kept as they where.

I believe rules have been broken based on what I saw in the video of proceedings in Nevada. What I saw is "the ayes have it" when the neighs were louder and when a standing count was called for, as per the rules, the gavel was dropped with a very smug attitude. That's breaking the rules no matter how you look at it. So you can stop with this "no rules were broken" fantasy and ask yourself why these violations are committed if Bernie is losing so bad. Cheaters only have to cheat when they're going to LOSE if they don't cheat.

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

Get informed!

Then give advice.

Where do you go for news? I had good reason for saying what I said. You seem completely unaware of the shenanigans the DNC is pulling.

Funny how people defend Hillary past scandals while more scandal goes on surrounding her and the DNC in the very present as we speak! This only shows us how much more scandal we can expect w/her in the white house. Can you seriously answer a question for me? Why would you support that?

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

Comparing Hillary to Islam? Or should I say, comparing the truth about Islam to someone who never tells the truth?

Hey - you were the one who was trying to say that the word 'hate' shouldn't be used. And for the record, it's obvious you know far less about Islam than you seem to think.

 

[coldjoint]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

Hey - you were the one who was trying to say that the word 'hate' shouldn't be used. And for the record, it's obvious you know far less about Islam than you seem to think.

Why is it obvious? Be specific. I don't expect an answer.