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[sKiTzo]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

Rather partial all that, isn't it?

Meaning, you haven't got a really good reason ...
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The reason is that every single thing she says is what she thinks we want to hear and that's the ONLY reason she says it - so why would it matter what she says her platform is?

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

Dude...you are way behind times.

Bernie isn't part of any polling nowadays. He's had his flash in the pan. Time for you to move on.

So he beat Trump in the polling but he's not in the polling anymore so now we are left with Hillary, who cheated and stole the nomination, AND HAS NEVER BEAT TRUMP IN THE POLLING. Boy, you are brilliant to support that...

 

[Lafayette]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

The reason is that every single thing she says is what she thinks we want to hear and that's the ONLY reason she says it - so why would it matter what she says her platform is?

Piffle. Go prattle elsewhere.

This is a debate-forum. You are making a personal attack upon the candidate, without a foundation of any sort whatsoever. Speak to the facts, not the person!

Why not say you didn't like the white dress she was wearing yesterday? It make just about as much sense in a debate-forum ...
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[Lafayette]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

There are none so blind as those who choose not to see....

And there are those who think that whatever they say is so crystal clear and so obviously correct that no further argument is necessary.

You are writing monologues ...
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[Mycroft]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

So he beat Trump in the polling but he's not in the polling anymore so now we are left with Hillary, who cheated and stole the nomination, AND HAS NEVER BEAT TRUMP IN THE POLLING. Boy, you are brilliant to support that...

Who said I supported that? Not me. I just said that's the way it is.

 

[Lafayette]

Hillary should drop out and let Bernie do his job.

Bernie, a declared Social Democrat, cannot get elected PotUS in America. Not even against Trump.

Were he running, I'd certainly vote for him. But most Americans haven't the slightest notion of what is Social Democracy, so I'll spell it out clearly (from WikiPedia):

Social democracy is a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a capitalist economy, and a policy regime involving collective bargaining arrangements, a commitment to representative democracy, measures for income redistribution, regulation of the economy in the general interest and welfare state provisions. Social democracy thus aims to create the conditions for capitalism to lead to greater democratic, egalitarian and solidaristic outcomes; and is often associated with the set of socioeconomic policies that became prominent in Northern and Western Europe.

The key words are outlined in green, because they allow Social Democracy to distinguish itself from Socialism. Socialism, as conceived in the 19th century, held that all the means of production should be owned by the state. That is, there was no such thing as Private Enterprise. And we have all seen how, in Russia and China, that system has failed miserably. (Even if, in China, there is still no means to own privately any enterprise, you can indeed possess its value of ownership. But you cannot sell it without authorization of the state. So management contents itself with the income they earn. Handsomely.)

Bernie has taken any number of chapters out of the Social Democracy handbook. Both National Health Insurance and a very low cost Tertiary Education (which Hillary has adopted in her platform) are foundational compnents to any European social-democracy. Even those, like Germany, run by politicians on the Right who are not social-democrats in nature.

For Hillary to complete her platform however she must touch upon National Health Insurance, and some of us (of a certain age) remember how she stumbled over that issue during her husband's tenure in office. They are nonetheless key elements of any Social Democrat platform, and, yes, they are also very expensive components. Especially HealthCare, which the US has stupidly allowed to cost twice as much per capita as most European countries. See that truth spelled out in this infographic:


If we have the world's most expensive HealthCare system it's because we have allowed "private enterprise", in the form of Insurance Companies and private healthcare suppliers, to provide it. They have been and are gouging the system. A GP today earns nearly 4 (3.7 to be exact) times the national average wage, which is 52K annually. (That is, $192K) Surgeons earn 3.9 times as much, dentists 3.2 times as much, etc., etc., etc. Which is why our healthcare system is so damn expensive.

So what's my point? Well, it's not that I think medical practitioners should not earn a good salary. In France, they do, and England, and Germany. But, what is more important in these Social Democracies is that their access and cost is determined by the state.

Can't have that in America, can we? Well, they have it in Canada - and the Canadians seem to like it. A lot.

My point is that under the principles of a Market-Economy, not all services are submitted to the Law of Supply & Demand, because to do so makes some crucial services far too expensive, and they therefore become selective. It is not right and correct that either Health Care or Education should be "selective", because both are fundamental elements to living our lives well.

Such key services, and quite possibly a good number of others (like Basic Housing) should not be "selective" and go to the highest bidder. Why?

Because of a innovative idea of what are the key needs to a functional society. Which led a psychologist (A. Maslow) in 1944 to come up with his Hierarchy of Needs:


You will see on the above triangle, at the bottom, our physiological and safety needs. That is, they sustain our lives. They are therefore fundamental, and as such, should be guaranteed by any nation that seriously wants to protect its people.

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

Piffle. Go prattle elsewhere.

This is a debate-forum. You are making a personal attack upon the candidate, without a foundation of any sort whatsoever. Speak to the facts, not the person!

Why not say you didn't like the white dress she was wearing yesterday? It make just about as much sense in a debate-forum ...
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Prattle from the horses mouth - her self-described "campaign talk". Or have you not researched her enough to know this? Regardless, The FBI director confirmed 3 days ago the extent of all her lies under oath. Why don't you care about just that? How good for the country is a president who goes far and way beyond the expected dishonesty of a politician to the point of disgust. We know what she's all about. It's not you, me, or the people. What more is there about her to know or care about, let alone support?

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

And there are those who think that whatever they say is so crystal clear and so obviously correct that no further argument is necessary.

You are writing monologues ...
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Just the product of 2 important things that you either know nothing or care nothing about: Research & DISCERNMENT.

 

[sKiTzo]

Bernie, a declared Social Democrat, cannot get elected PotUS in America. Not even against Trump.

Were he running, I'd certainly vote for him. But most Americans haven't the slightest notion of what is Social Democracy, so I'll spell it out clearly (from WikiPedia):

The key words are outlined in green, because they allow Social Democracy to distinguish itself from Socialism. Socialism, as conceived in the 19th century, held that all the means of production should be owned by the state. That is, there was no such thing as Private Enterprise. And we have all seen how, in Russia and China, that system has failed miserably. (Even if, in China, there is still no means to own privately any enterprise, you can indeed possess its value of ownership. But you cannot sell it without authorization of the state. So management contents itself with the income they earn. Handsomely.)

Bernie has taken any number of chapters out of the Social Democracy handbook. Both National Health Insurance and a very low cost Tertiary Education (which Hillary has adopted in her platform) are foundational compnents to any European social-democracy. Even those, like Germany, run by politicians on the Right who are not social-democrats in nature.

For Hillary to complete her platform however she must touch upon National Health Insurance, and some of us (of a certain age) remember how she stumbled over that issue during her husband's tenure in office. They are nonetheless key elements of any Social Democrat platform, and, yes, they are also very expensive components. Especially HealthCare, which the US has stupidly allowed to cost twice as much per capita as most European countries. See that truth spelled out in this infographic:
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If we have the world's most expensive HealthCare system it's because we have allowed "private enterprise", in the form of Insurance Companies and private healthcare suppliers, to provide it. They have been and are gouging the system. A GP today earns nearly 4 (3.7 to be exact) times the national average wage, which is 52K annually. (That is, $192K) Surgeons earn 3.9 times as much, dentists 3.2 times as much, etc., etc., etc. Which is why our healthcare system is so damn expensive.

So what's my point? Well, it's not that I think medical practitioners should not earn a good salary. In France, they do, and England, and Germany. But, what is more important in these Social Democracies is that their access and cost is determined by the state.

Can't have that in America, can we? Well, they have it in Canada - and the Canadians seem to like it. A lot.

My point is that under the principles of a Market-Economy, not all services are submitted to the Law of Supply & Demand, because to do so makes some crucial services far too expensive, and they therefore become selective. It is not right and correct that either Health Care or Education should be "selective", because both are fundamental elements to living our lives well.

Such key services, and quite possibly a good number of others (like Basic Housing) should not be "selective" and go to the highest bidder. Why?

Because of a innovative idea of what are the key needs to a functional society. Which led a psychologist (A. Maslow) in 1944 to come up with his Hierarchy of Needs:
View attachment 67203892

You will see on the above triangle, at the bottom, our physiological and safety needs. That is, they sustain our lives. They are therefore fundamental, and as such, should be guaranteed by any nation that seriously wants to protect its people.

I have to agree with all of that. Good post.

 

[Lafayette]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

Just the product of 2 important things that you either know nothing or care nothing about: Research & DISCERNMENT.

Unsubstantiated accusations, tantamount to sarcasm.

Try harder ...
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[sKiTzo]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

Unsubstantiated accusations, tantamount to sarcasm.

Try harder ...
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lol, yeah. Even the MSM aired the FBI statement - "unsubstantiated", huh? I don't need to try, you do.

 

[Lafayette]

Re: Here is how we know the democratic party is cheating americans:

lol, yeah. Even the MSM aired the FBI statement - "unsubstantiated", huh? I don't need to try, you do.

I suggest you look up the word in a dictionary.

Moving right along ...
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