Meh. Children are done to from birth. That is how they become not-children. This includes everything from ear piercing to religious instruction to mountain climbing, swimming and horse riding (all more dangerous than medically supervised transitions) to circumcision and ritual rites of passage.
Are you sincerely claiming that gender identity and consequently gender dysphoria does not exist as a very real mental health issue in both teens and adults?No excuse for convincing or allowing a child to have their penis removed or their breasts cut off.
Yes, I am aware of cultures that do things they shouldn't. Like female "circumcision," or male genital mutilation.
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I abhor such practices on children. But an adult can do whatever they want with their own bodies.
Thus "apples" and "oranges," not simply "fruit."
I don't think she furthers an understanding or good faith discussion by going on Shapiro and Carlson's shows. Unfortunately, it's preaching to an anti LGBT choir. Those who actually need to hear her message will discount it entirely because of the toxic platform. This furthers the divide and false narrative that "right wing bigots" are the only people with concerns. I'm not necessarily blaming her I just think it's unfortunate.
Ear piercings are more dangerous than sex changes for children? We clearly have a very different idea of what constitutes danger.
In the US? few and far between but things are opening up (and it depends what you mean by "the left"). Like most issues this has become black and white, us vs them, no nuance allowed.
There is no transgender industry. There are Drs and psychologists who provide approved supporting care to people who have been diagnosed as transgender.
How is someone of any age encouraged to undergo care that they do not need? The Drs are making the diagnosis and the patient has the power to say yes or no. The Drs aren't pushing anything, nor is the patient making decisions by themselves without medial advice. There is no mutilation involved.
You suggested a few posts back that parents who "refused to see gender incongruence" had their heads up their asses. Strongly implying that gender non-conforming behavior is a problem that needs to be treated with drugs. Sexist/homophobic attitudes like that are how kids are encouraged to undergo care that they do not need.
If they are under 18, they do not have the power to say yes or no. At least not with informed consent.
You yourself are telling us otherwise. In this very thread:
In that post you state that 1) Young teenagers are being drugged and prepped for life-altering surgery before they've finished junior high school, and 2) Mutilation *does* happen when they are still minors. Gross.
If they are gender congruent then there is a need, but the teen gets to make that decision after the Dr makes a disgnosis and offers them their options and explains the risks and benefits of each. You seem think think that this happens in one 45 minute appointment or the Dr is pushing anything.
Surgery at 17-18 is not a child and it is certainly no mutilation. A teen is able to drive a car at 16 and make life-changing decisions is certainly able to make informed medical decisions when offered by a Dr and psychologist. What do you think the time frame on this treatment is? I doubt you have any idea.
Why? Why does a boy who likes other boys, or a girl who likes throwing footballs more than makeup, need medical attention? Why do those behaviors suggest the need to mutilate their bodies?
I'm not interested in a quack doctor "explaining the risks" to an eighth-grader and then hanging their hat on the child "consenting" to this nonsense. The kid should be thinking about their algebra homework and their Nickelodeon cartoons, not whether such-and-such weird hormone therapy carries a greater risk of infertility than such-and-such other weird hormone therapy, which they are totally incapable of evaluating or even understanding. They can wait until they are 18 when their brains have developed and they are better able to understand what they are getting themselves into.
One 45-minute appointment is all it takes to start them down this path. Even if they don't actually get hormones that soon. If they want to meet with a professional for 45 minutes, they can just talk to a psychologist about what they're feeling without this bizarre physical transformation component.
Kids finish middle school at age 14, at the age that you think it's appropriate to start drugging them with sex hormones.
Gay people aren't transgender. 99% of gay people are CIS! JFC on a stick! You don't know the didffence between sexual orintation and gender idenity.
Ah there it is again. When you have no argument, just make some shit up and argue a stupid strawman. I have to assume you know it's a strawman, because no one could possibly be this incapable of reading and understanding sentences. And it's not the first time you've done it. Bye bye.
They aren't allowed to do this. This is illegal and not accepted medical practice. That it has happened in some unfortunate cases does not change this fact any more than the existence of child pornography changes the fact that child pornography is already illegal. But that is the conservative playbook lately, isn't it? Take something that is already illegal, rare, and horrifying, amplify it to a shocked audience who have never been exposed to such monstrous behavior, imply that no one is doing anything about it, associate it with the Democratic Party, pretend it's a national crisis, and then promise to deliver the country from this evil practice if only you give your money and your votes to the Republican Party. New laws giving the government even more power over the people is the reward they get for voting with their hearts rather than their heads.
Who told you that you can make a gay person heterosexual by changing their gender? That idea is a huge red flag and would be an instant stop and block to a transgender diagnosis. Any gay person who mentioned that has internalized homophobia. That would be dealt with by the psychologist by helping them improve their self-image and confidence. You cannot fix a poor self-image and homophobia by changing their gender because they are not transgender. An effeminate gay guy is not a woman, just as a butch lesbian is not male.
An undergrad degree in biology is irrelevant. There are 50 possibly different subspecialties, so unless you are in pre-med that biology degree is meaningless to this discussion.
You did, when you claimed that parents need to watch for gender incongruence so they could start drugging their children to change their gender. I don't know what you mean by "gender congruence," if not conformity to sexist/homophobic gender stereotypes.
But earlier you claimed that something like 50% of trans people are also gay, which might very well be the case. So reading between the lines, you're saying that roughly half of them should not have been diagnosed as trans. That's a hell of an error rate.
I agree. Similarly, you cannot fix internalized misogyny by changing a girl into a boy, because she's not a boy.
I agree. So why do parents have their heads up their asses if they don't medicalize their child's "gender incongruence"? Why not just leave the kids alone and let them be effeminate guys or butch lesbians?
If 50% of trans people are also gay as you previously claimed, then there is clearly some connection. That's nearly 10 times the rate of homosexuality in the general population. This suggests the following possibilities: 1) Some biological pattern in the brain that makes gay people more likely to suffer from gender dysphoria, 2) Social contagion among people in what's left of the "LGBT community", 3) Internalized homophobia among gay people as you mentioned above, 4) Externalized homophobia or sexism that encourages gay or non-conforming people to go down this path.