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Not quite true.
The Israel/Palestine tragedy is really much simpler: Foreign Immigrants & Zionist Terrorist gangs invaded distant Palestine from Russia, Brooklyn, England, Poland etc & with the near omnipotent clout of Zionist Lobbies in England & the U.S., forced their Colony on Native Residents. The Foreign UN then awarded 56 percent of Palestine to its new 650,000 Jewish inhabitants, and 44 percent to its existing 1,300,000 Muslim and Christian Arab inhabitants. The U.N. was just a Colonial entity doing the will of the Zionist Lobby dominated, Colonial Governments.
The US & British Zionist lobbies were as influential in the early 1900s as they are now.
The unfortunate Arabs who lived up to their agreement (“The McMahon Agreement”)* with the British government were simply betrayed due to the machinations of the British Zionist Lobby & have been cheated, slaughtered & expelled from their land ever since......The Arabs knew nothing of & had no reason to cede their land & any authority to the Foreign U.N..
It's that simple but Israelis & members of the Israeli Hasbara network need to obfuscate the simple truth with blaming the Arabs for not meekly submitting to slaughter, Evictions & agreeing to outrageously unfair Foreign dictates.
Thanks
* The McMahone Agreement
The McMahon Agreement
EXCERPT “The McMahon-Hussein Agreement of October 1915 was accepted by Palestinians as a promise by the British that after World War One, land previously held by the Turks would be returned to the Arab nationals who lived in that land."CONTINUED
The McMahone Agreement preceded the Balfour Declaration by 3 years. The Balfour Declaration was created under Lord Rothschild's influence over Lord Balfour
I'm not too comfortable with "well we ****ed them over, but they're irreparable now, so **** em'."
Then again, they probably would rather we left them alone...
Hey, I hear ya. But - did we f**k'em over; started in 1953. We raided their natural resources and tried to put a thumb on'em.
They have always been over the top sectarian and rather like Australian Bush Men. After WWI we made kings and nations, and this is the result.
We should just walk away - they deserve it.
I assume you mean the CIA overthrow of democratically elected & reformist Mossedegh in 1953 as a favor for the exploitative Anglo-Iranian Oil company. The US installation of the Shah with his dreaded SAVAK was the primary cause of Iran's later, hostile Islamic Revolution.
Most historians point to Truman's recognition of Israel as a major mistake / "screw-up". Truman's action was not out of any noble sentiments for democracy or fondness for the Zionist cause but simply to get the American Jewish vote & to placate already influential Zionist lobbies.
Truman's political actions were against the advice of US Military, Intelligence & Diplomatic advisors & is outlined in:
“Against Our Better Judgment: The Hidden History of How the United States Was Used to Create Israel”
Against Our Better Judgment: The Hidden History of How the United States Was Used to Create Israel by Alison Weir
EXCERPT “Ambassador Andrew Killgore Soon after WWII, US statesman Dean Acheson warned that creating Israel on land already inhabited by Palestinians would "imperil" both American and all Western interests in the region.
Despite warnings such as this one, President Truman supported establishing a Jewish state on land primarily inhabited by Muslims and Christians.
Few Americans today are aware that US support enabled the creation of modern Israel. Even fewer know that US politicians pushed this policy over the forceful objections of top diplomatic and military experts.
As this work demonstrates, these politicians were bombarded by a massive pro-Israel lobbying effort that ranged from well-funded and very public Zionist organizations to an "elitist secret society" whose members included Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis” CONTINUED
The consequences of his rash & counterproductive political decision exaggerated already existing tensions & left the US facing these two salient realities. The establishment of a Zionist / Jewish State was not inherently wrong, the folly was in the place & way in which it was forcing a Foreign, alien Culture on a long pre-existing Christian & Muslim Community.
“There was not a single act of Arab terrorism against Americans before 1968, when the U.S. became the chief supplier of military equipment and economic aid to Israel.”
"Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can't help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East."-- John Sheehan,
"Israel" was essentially a Foreign Colony imposed on a long pre-existing Community by outside, Foreign powers.
The Foreign nature of the ever expanding Zionist state is best exemplified y the fact that out of the 37 signers of Israel's Declaration of Independence, only 1 was from Palestine.
Yeah, things were much better with state genocide and court sentences of gang rape.
US mistakes go back far further than 2001. Mistake number one: Kermit Roosevelt Jr.
But you weren't alone and shouldn't try to shoulder all the responsibility. External forces have been meddling in the ME for ever. Anyone heard of Alexander the Great? The Crusades? More recently, has the ME been generally at peace since WWI?
Hopefully you will be able to follow my response without your quotes.
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Justify that empirically please. Statistics and numbers would be helpful.
Please be more specific. What exactly do you mean by "that"
Do you mean this:
The first, accurate census shows that even after decades of massive Jewish immigration, Muslims still comprised the majority population:
PALESTINE.
REPORT ON
PALESTINE ADMINISTRATION, 1922.
http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/A682CABF7...
XVI.--CENSUS.
Moslems .......... 590,890
Jews .......... 83,794
Christians .......... 73,024
Druzes .......... 7,028
Samaritans .......... 163
Bahais .......... 265
Metawallis .......... 156
Hindoos .......... 1,454
Sikhs .......... 408
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“Demographic history of Palestine”
Demographic history of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Numbers in thousands
Year 1890
Jews 43
Christians 57
Muslims 432
Total 532
Year 1914
Jews 94
Christians 70
Muslims 525
Total 689
Year 1922
Jews 84
Christians 71
Muslims 589
Total 752
Mistake number one. Bush should not have invaded Iraq.
Mistake number two. Everything Obama has done in Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Syria and Yemen.
Short memory huh.
1921 - Britain draws up arbitrary state lines in M.E.
1949 - CIA backs coup in Syria to oust elected government
1953 - MI6/CIA backed coup to overthrow Mossadegh in Iran
1954 - Privatization of Iranian Oil to put Britain and US in control
1963 - CIA supports coup in Iraq
1973 - US arms kurdish rebels in Iraq to help strengthen Iran
1980 - US renews diplomatic ties with Iraq
1986 - US sells weapons to Iran
1988 - US accidently shoots down passenger flight over Persian Gulf killing ~300 civillians
1988 - US allegiance in Iraq/Iran war switches to Iraq
1991 - US coalition launches attack on Iraq after they attack Kuwait
1993 - US launches missile strikes on Iraq
1995 - US imposes trade ban on Iran
Actions have consequences. Even if an act seemed like the right thing to do at the time, the US (and the west in general) has had absolutely zero interest in the long term stability in the M.E. or the wellbeing of its people. That is what is coming back to bite us.
Have we (the US) screwed up the Middle East?
I think we have, and for decades to come. For good or for bad, and as imperfect as it was, it was somewhat stable. Now, it's chaos.
Discuss.
_____________________You claimed most historians believe that it was a mistake. This is a gigantic claim made with no evidence.
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Simply put, I meant the way in which the British promised the same land to two different groups of people.
Do you normally make conflicting promises to 2 different people i.e. sell the same car to two people, & consider it wise?
What, specifically, do you want to know?
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Simply put, I meant the way in which the British promised the same land to two different groups of people.
Do you normally make conflicting promises to 2 different people i.e. sell the same car to two people, & consider it wise?
What, specifically, do you want to know?
Have we (the US) screwed up the Middle East?
I think we have, and for decades to come. For good or for bad, and as imperfect as it was, it was somewhat stable. Now, it's chaos.
Discuss.
I want to know your evidence for the assertion that "most historians" think it was a mistake. This was a bold claim. Do you have any evidence?
the US (and the west in general) has had absolutely zero interest in the long term stability in the M.E. or the wellbeing of its people.
Sovereignty belongs to the people and not a tyrant. Where tyrants rule, the people are not sovereign. Protecting the sovereignty of a tyrant that has taken sovereignty from the people is intellectually pathetic garbage.