We here a lot of this is Trumps shutdown mainly due to a commit he said to Sen. Chuck at the white house. But for one to actually take the blame for a shutdown he would have to be the one to actually stop something.
All the actual evidence I've seen (not the made up media junk) is that a spending bill passed the Senate but never was brought up in the house. Another bill which passed the senate was amended to add funded for the wall was passed in the house and the senate now is debating it in the senate, but cannot vote on it until a cloture vote is received which democrats are successfully filibustering.
So If the shutdown is Trumps fault were are the bill (please provide the bill number) that are awaiting his signature or veto?
Where is Trump's proposal that Democrats would accept?
We here a lot of this is Trumps shutdown mainly due to a commit he said to Sen. Chuck at the white house. But for one to actually take the blame for a shutdown he would have to be the one to actually stop something.
All the actual evidence I've seen (not the made up media junk) is that a spending bill passed the Senate but never was brought up in the house. Another bill which passed the senate was amended to add funded for the wall was passed in the house and the senate now is debating it in the senate, but cannot vote on it until a cloture vote is received which democrats are successfully filibustering.
So If the shutdown is Trumps fault were are the bill (please provide the bill number) that are awaiting his signature or veto?
No such thing can exist since Trump wants more physical barrier funding and Pelosi wants none.
No such thing can exist since Trump wants more physical barrier funding and Pelosi wants none.
There was a combined bill that passed the senate.. but the republican controlled house (at the time).. would not take it up because trump stated he would not sign the bill.
The democrat house has passed bills that the Senate now refuses to take up (despite its very close to what the senate bill that was passed previously) because the senate majority leader refuses to take up a bill until Trump states that he is willing to sign it.
Basically it hinges all on trump. there are compromise bills.. that give basically trump everything he wants including more money for border security. In fact.. prior bipartisan bills also provided more money for border security which trump has not spent yet. The ONLY thing that democrats and a number of republicans do not support is money specifically designated for a wall which frankly is an idiotic idea..
So.. trump refuses to compromise.. .and republicans are not going to pass a compromise bill.. that he will not back.. because it will make them look foolish if they pass a bill that he vetoes. It will hurt them in their primaries.
We here a lot of this is Trumps shutdown mainly due to a commit he said to Sen. Chuck at the white house. But for one to actually take the blame for a shutdown he would have to be the one to actually stop something.
All the actual evidence I've seen (not the made up media junk) is that a spending bill passed the Senate but never was brought up in the house. Another bill which passed the senate was amended to add funded for the wall was passed in the house and the senate now is debating it in the senate, but cannot vote on it until a cloture vote is received which democrats are successfully filibustering.
So If the shutdown is Trumps fault were are the bill (please provide the bill number) that are awaiting his signature or veto?
Where is Trump's proposal that Democrats would accept?
First,, let's be clear: The government IS open, about 75% of its functions are being performed as normal. That said, as fair as I've seen no bills have been passed to restore funding to the rest.We here a lot of this is Trumps shutdown mainly due to a commit he said to Sen. Chuck at the white house. But for one to actually take the blame for a shutdown he would have to be the one to actually stop something.
All the actual evidence I've seen (not the made up media junk) is that a spending bill passed the Senate but never was brought up in the house. Another bill which passed the senate was amended to add funded for the wall was passed in the house and the senate now is debating it in the senate, but cannot vote on it until a cloture vote is received which democrats are successfully filibustering.
So If the shutdown is Trumps fault were are the bill (please provide the bill number) that are awaiting his signature or veto?
Was going to type up a similar response.
Only thing I would add is that McConnell shares a large part of the blame in the present moment.
He doesn't right legislation, he can make recommendation only and some other Senator or House member would have to bring it up before congress. The proposals to fund the government are already out there and you can track their progress on congress.gov. So where are the Democrats proposals at?
And you never answered the question of what bill Trump is responsible for vetoing or not signing etc.
There was a combined bill that passed the senate.. but the republican controlled house (at the time).. would not take it up because trump stated he would not sign the bill.
The democrat house has passed bills that the Senate now refuses to take up (despite its very close to what the senate bill that was passed previously) because the senate majority leader refuses to take up a bill until Trump states that he is willing to sign it.
Basically it hinges all on trump. there are compromise bills.. that give basically trump everything he wants including more money for border security. In fact.. prior bipartisan bills also provided more money for border security which trump has not spent yet. The ONLY thing that democrats and a number of republicans do not support is money specifically designated for a wall which frankly is an idiotic idea..
So.. trump refuses to compromise.. .and republicans are not going to pass a compromise bill.. that he will not back.. because it will make them look foolish if they pass a bill that he vetoes. It will hurt them in their primaries.
First,, let's be clear: The government IS open, about 75% of its functions are being performed as normal. That said, as fair as I've seen no bills have been passed to restore funding to the rest.
Yep. McConnell needs to let the Senate vote.
But he must sign that legislation, so what has he proposed that they could write, knowing it would be signed? The wall is obviously not going to happen, so what has Trump offered as a compromise?
Was going to type up a similar response.
Only thing I would add is that McConnell shares a large part of the blame in the present moment.
Congress has to offer it, and then we can see what Trump does with it.
Congress has to offer it, and then we can see what Trump does with it.
I don't believe that's true. trump wants money specifically for a WALL.
Democrats have voted from money that goes for upgrading existing physical barriers.. fencing etc. They are not going to give him money to build a useless monument to himself.
Congress has to offer...what?
Thank you for understanding how this is congresses fault.
Please also provide evidence of the bill for the bolded section, I have a feeling this has already been debunked
He really has no choice in this climate. If he allows a vote.. its going to put a lot of republican senators in a tough spot. Go against their party.. or go against the people in their districts.
The only possible thing he can do now really is.. hope the president can make the case for the wall that the majority of americans will accept and pressure the democrats to capitulate (which does not seem likely).
Possibly offer a amazing deal to Pelosi.. which gives them citizenship for the DACA folks, gives them changes for amnesty, basically gives them everything they want on immigration.. in exchange for 5 billion for trump to "build his wall".
(if he can get trump to sign off on it... in all likelihood.. Trump would agree to the plan.. until Limbaugh and Hannity and the other right wing media get wind of the deal and lambast it.. and then Trump will change his mind making republican senators look stupid).
OR.. he can hope that Trump declares an emergency.. starts using other monies for the wall.. and it goes to a long court case. Which hopefully the people don't blame the republicans on.. and the democrats and republicans can now get funding for government.
A bill to Trump to sign or veto
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