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As it became clear months before the end of the primaries that Bernie would not prevail, I started seriously considering Trump, to the point of leaning his way,I've read a number of threads in the Forum about Trump, Hillary, and the other third party candidates; but I wonder, has anyone actually changed their mind about who they intend to vote for?
I mean we have hardcore Hillary supporters putting up every kind of "he's unfit for office" attack they can muster from the media.
Then we have hardcore supporters of Trump responding in kind with every "she's unfit for office" factoid they can procure.
Meanwhile we have the third party die-hards, hoping this will be the first time in American history a third-party candidate can win (as if that's a new idea) plugging away by pointing out how everyone hates BOTH Trump and Hillary.
But has anyone really changed their position on their candidate, and switched? I know I haven't.
Have you? If not, why? If so, from whom to whom and how did it come about?
As it became clear months before the end of the primaries that Bernie would not prevail, I started seriously considering Trump, to the point of leaning his way,
But he just got deeper & deeper and worse & worse, until I just couldn't do it.
It's a shame, because he initially was supporting single-payer healthcare, which along with illegal immigration are 2 of my 3 top issues of concern.
A combination of economic disparity & money influencing government, which I see as interrelated.What's concern number 3 if you don't mind my asking?
I've read a number of threads in the Forum about Trump, Hillary, and the other third party candidates; but I wonder, has anyone actually changed their mind about who they intend to vote for?
I mean we have hardcore Hillary supporters putting up every kind of "he's unfit for office" attack they can muster from the media.
Then we have hardcore supporters of Trump responding in kind with every "she's unfit for office" factoid they can procure.
Meanwhile we have the third party die-hards, hoping this will be the first time in American history a third-party candidate can win (as if that's a new idea) plugging away by pointing out how everyone hates BOTH Trump and Hillary.
But has anyone really changed their position on their candidate, and switched? I know I haven't.
Have you? If not, why? If so, from whom to whom and how did it come about?
To the bolded;Nope, I was a very early Trump supporter.
but it was not anything Trump said that put me further into his camp.
It was the CONTINUED INSULTS I have received for supporting the candidate of my choice, that have made me hardened. Once early on, there was a thread that started out by only saying this..."If you are a Trump supporter, then you are a ( string of profane personal insults and profanity). That was all the opening post in the thread said. Now how classic is that?
I have always known politics is passionate, but this is the very first time, I have been PERSONALLY ATTACKED on a personal level, for supporting the candidate of my choice.
I have two college degrees in technical majors, several professional certifications & licenses, one US patent, and wrote three songs, yet I am continually told I am a dimwitted moron and uneducated for supporting someone other than Hillary or Sanders.
THAT, my friends, is where the bad blood grows and is born, but I did not give birth to it.
I will cuss the candidate all day, but not YOUR RIGHT TO CHOOSE them, or YOU for that choice.
Hillary and Sanders supporters think otherwise, and DO otherwise, at every opportunity.
I've read a number of threads in the Forum about Trump, Hillary, and the other third party candidates; but I wonder, has anyone actually changed their mind about who they intend to vote for?
I mean we have hardcore Hillary supporters putting up every kind of "he's unfit for office" attack they can muster from the media.
Then we have hardcore supporters of Trump responding in kind with every "she's unfit for office" factoid they can procure.
Meanwhile we have the third party die-hards, hoping this will be the first time in American history a third-party candidate can win (as if that's a new idea) plugging away by pointing out how everyone hates BOTH Trump and Hillary.
But has anyone really changed their position on their candidate, and switched? I know I haven't.
Have you? If not, why? If so, from whom to whom and how did it come about?
Well, after Bernie lost the New York Primary, I kinda lost all hope and was initially considering casting my vote for Trump, as I felt that would be better than voting for Hillary Clinton (who I despise), but I quickly decided against it and decided to go for a third party candidate instead.
I guess I've changed my position that there is no way I'd vote for Hilary.
To the bolded;
Understood, but I would try my best to not let other's poor behaviour influence my political decisions.
But it sounds like you're still leaning to Trump on your own volition, and I can respect that. I looked hard at him, myself.
The basic decision parameters were well known at the beginning. Nothing out of character has happened and not much has become known that was not either known or very probably before. Had BS won the nomination, I might have switched parties and gone unhappily to support Trump as the lesser evil. What has changed it that it appears Clinton is a much greater risk to the nation and its economy than I had initially expected.
FWIW, your positions are similar to mine, though I'm probably more moderate on 2A (strongly support right-to-own & Castle Doctrine, lukewarm on carry, and against stand-your-ground).The members know by now that I support Trump. I have posted reasons in various threads, but I guess this is as good a place as any to consolidate my position.
- I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment as an individual right allowing common citizens to own the basic kinds of weapons that the average Infantryman would have. That means I oppose most gun control efforts, and support the appointment of Justices who agree with this position. Hillary Clinton is my political opposite on this issue, and has assured America that if elected she will appoint Justices who support reducing that right into near non-existence. Trump has at least stated he would appoint Justices who intend to preserve that right.
- I oppose government corruption. I am tired of candidates who have been bought and paid for by wealthy special interests. Trump is not as rich as he claims but he is definitely not under the control of other wealthy citizens, hence their antipathy to his candidacy. IMO Hillary is definitely corrupt, she is owned and happy to be bought.
- I oppose unrestricted Immigration and ALL refugee Migrations. That means I want to see our government vet immigrants to insure they are seeking to assimilate and not undermine our society. That I consider refugee migrants a problem because they simply want to transplant their whole culture and society here, with no intention to assimilate. Trump seems to agree, Hillary does not.
- I want to see our economy restored, and I oppose all of these International Trade Agreements which profit Corporations and foreign nations at the expense of our workforce. Trump seems to want to rebuild here, Hillary not so much.
These are the main reasons I support Trump. I can't commit to a Third Party because I honestly believe that means Hillary might win.
I despise third party voters, atleast trump voters are supporting a legitimate candidate of a real political party, there is no 3rd party in America, just a bunch of self aggrandizing politicians trying to sell a few books and raise a quick dollar, if you want a real 3rd party you have to win elections on the local level, mayors, senators, governor elections, there isn't any, you could probably find more people who would vote for their state's secession than you could find who would vote for a 3rd party of any kind right now in America. Even if there were a 3rd party that had local support anywhere in the USA, you would still have to prove to the average american voter that a 3rd party is necessary since both parties are unwilling to reform to whatever the 3rd parties demands were, there is no such necessity.
I think you are wrong on this because there are many people who are fed up with the corruption in the two present parties. The parties know they are corrupt, and at the same time, they are arrogant enough to believe that there isn't much that the average Jack & Jane can do about it. If enough people start voting 3rd party, it will eventually gain the attention needed from other voters to mount a serious challenge in future elections.
I will admit that this is a recent change of view on my part, but I am beginning to see the need for additional parties. The USA is not straight line democrat or republican anymore. There are millions of hybrids like myself who have liberal social ideas, along with old fashioned fiscal conservative ideas.
First of all I disagree that there are many people who think their own party is corrupt, especially today in 2016. If you want proof look at the fact that Obama has an over 50% approval rating. If he had 22% like George bush had and congress had the 11% approval rating it does now. Then I might believe you.
Individual favorability rating means very little in terms of the overall mistrust in political parties.
Your analogy reminds my someone reaching into the bottom of a Porta-John to select the best turd.
Rasmussen sort of nails it in this article.
53% Think Neither Political Party Represents the American People - Rasmussen Reportsâ„¢
I'd like to clarify that by stating "illegal immigration" as an issue, that I'm vehemently against it and want it stopped.
[hard to believe I felt the need to clarify that, because there are those that support illegal immigration!]
I despise third party voters, atleast trump voters are supporting a legitimate candidate of a real political party, there is no 3rd party in America, just a bunch of self aggrandizing politicians trying to sell a few books and raise a quick dollar, if you want a real 3rd party you have to win elections on the local level, mayors, senators, governor elections, there isn't any, you could probably find more people who would vote for their state's secession than you could find who would vote for a 3rd party of any kind right now in America. Even if there were a 3rd party that had local support anywhere in the USA, you would still have to prove to the average american voter that a 3rd party is necessary since both parties are unwilling to reform to whatever the 3rd parties demands were, there is no such necessity.
why would people support illegal immigration?
Cheaper than cheap labor. Illegals can't complain if you offer them below lawful minimum wages or market wages.
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