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Harry Potter - Spawn of Satan?

Bigbird said:
There is a lot of contradictory information in the bible and you CANNOT refute that. I repeat CANNOT refute that.

it says "shalt not kill" but then says to stone my neighbor if he works on the sabbath. or to put the death any man that has slept in the bed that a woman has had her period.

Do you understand the scriptures? and if so HOW?
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This is the way that Catholics are taught to understand the full meaning of those four words, "Thou shalt not kill.": http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm
So god is the only one who can judge.... yet religious people wont let Gay's get married and then be judged when they meet him ( even though thats a complete fairy tale told thousands of years ago)
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This is the way that Catholics are taught to understand the full meaning of those five words, "Thou shalt not commit adultery.": http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/sixth.html#SIXTH

Which brings me to another rant which is... I think religious people are not just holding onto their beliefs because they need to hold onto "holier then thou" attitude, but that they don't want to call their own parents, grandparents and all the rest of their family who follows the same religion... WRONG. They don't want to think they have been wasting their time all along . So holding onto their beloved fantasy that good little boys and girls get to go to heaven simply because they are BORN into a religion.

Just realize that if you were born in saudia arabia you would be spouting out the koran. You didn't choose your religion. it chose you.
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Those who have faith, have faith. Those who have not faith, have not faith. Simply having been exposed to faith does not ensure that one will have faith. What the exposure to faith does, however, is to deepen its understanding for those who have it.

Think of the old adage, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." Among many other things, those words apply to religious faith, don't they?

Religious faith comes to some, early; to some, late; to some, never.

Another old adage, "Seek and you will find."
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Bigbird said:
Are you seriously going to take that lame cop out answer of i don't understand the scriptures?


There is a lot of contradictory information in the bible and you CANNOT refute that. I repeat CANNOT refute that.

it says "shalt not kill" but then says to stone my neighbor if he works on the sabbath. or to put the death any man that has slept in the bed that a woman has had her period.

Do you understand the scriptures? and if so HOW?

So god is the only one who can judge.... yet religious people wont let Gay's get married and then be judged when they meet him ( even though thats a complete fairy tale told thousands of years ago)

Which brings me to another rant which is... I think religious people are not just holding onto their beliefs because they need to hold onto "holier then thou" attitude, but that they don't want to call their own parents, grandparents and all the rest of their family who follows the same religion... WRONG. They don't want to think they have been wasting their time all along . So holding onto their beloved fantasy that good little boys and girls get to go to heaven simply because they are BORN into a religion.

Just realize that if you were born in saudia arabia you would be spouting out the koran. You didn't choose your religion. it chose you.
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How does the Bible contradict itself?

I don't get to go to heaven because I was "born" into a religion... I haad to admit to God that I was a sinner and to let Him into my life as my Lord and Savior... Anyone in the world can do that... Including YOU...
 
Just to leap right in here - As a Christian reading the Harry Potter books I've never felt the urge to renounce my religion and go out and practice anything evil. I actually think, for anyone thats read the books, that Rowling does a good job of making the evil guy, Voldemort, out as more of the evil 'satanist' out to get everyone.
 
Plain old me said:
Just to leap right in here - As a Christian reading the Harry Potter books I've never felt the urge to renounce my religion and go out and practice anything evil. I actually think, for anyone thats read the books, that Rowling does a good job of making the evil guy, Voldemort, out as more of the evil 'satanist' out to get everyone.
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Ah, but when anyone even suggests that one should do things their "own" ways, this is a problem... The seed of Rebellion starts small, but if given room, will grow into a redwood...
 
Quertol said:
Ah, but when anyone even suggests that one should do things their "own" ways, this is a problem... The seed of Rebellion starts small, but if given room, will grow into a redwood...
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Isn't that how Jesus did it? Was it a problem when he did it?
 
Quertol said:
Ah, but when anyone even suggests that one should do things their "own" ways, this is a problem... The seed of Rebellion starts small, but if given room, will grow into a redwood...
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But what is Harry Potter influencing a rebellion against? Christianity? So what if some children do think witchcraft is a preferable idea over Christianity? Surely it deserves its place as a religion as much as Christianity, Hinduism, Wicca and Islam?
 
Plain old me said:
But what is Harry Potter influencing a rebellion against? Christianity? So what if some children do think witchcraft is a preferable idea over Christianity? Surely it deserves its place as a religion as much as Christianity, Hinduism, Wicca and Islam?
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Ummm....Sure if you want your kids to go to HELL...
 
What are you trying to say, that all kids should not read these books?
 
nkgupta80 said:
What are you trying to say, that all kids should not read these books?
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Umm...Yeah... Thats what I'm saying...They are more than meets the eye...
 
Well the books have been out for almost 6 years now, and i don't see a sudden surge in the occult.
 
I don't see why children will go to hell for taking up a religion different from Christianity. Surely God will judge us not purely on the basis of faith but also on how we've lived our lives, how we have treated our fellow man and how we have put into practice His teachings, whether we take them from the Bible, the Koran or the Dhamma.
 
Quertol said:
How Jesus did what?
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Quertol said:
Ah, but when anyone even suggests that one should do things their "own" ways, this is a problem... The seed of Rebellion starts small, but if given room, will grow into a redwood...
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Jesus suggested people do thing his way. Which was against the romans. Which was the start of a rebellion.
 
shuamort said:
Jesus suggested people do thing his way. Which was against the romans. Which was the start of a rebellion.
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Did you know that historians believe that at one time Jesus had more than a million followers... At any time He could have taken over the Roman empire...
 
shuamort said:
Jesus suggested people do thing his way. Which was against the romans. Which was the start of a rebellion.
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His message was quite simple. In fact, it boiled down to just two words; "Follow Me."
 
Plain old me said:
I don't see why children will go to hell for taking up a religion different from Christianity. Surely God will judge us not purely on the basis of faith but also on how we've lived our lives, how we have treated our fellow man and how we have put into practice His teachings, whether we take them from the Bible, the Koran or the Dhamma.
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I know you don't understand...

The bible tells us in John 3:3 "that unless a man is born again that he will by no means see the kingdom of God"...

You see we are all sinners... We all have lied, stolen, did things that we knew weren't right... The bible says in Rom 3:10 that "there are none righteous, not even one"... And in verse 23 "that all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God"... We all have the problem of sin...

Jesus came to this planet 2000 years ago and lived a perfect life, He never sinned, because He was God... He died a terrible death upon a cross so that He could take away the sins of the world... The bible states in Rom 6:23 "that the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesu Christ"... He came and gave freely of Himself... That He might take away your and my sins...

The bible says in Rom 10:9-10 " that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth, confession is made unto salvation"

That is all it takes...
 
Fantasea said:
His message was quite simple. In fact, it boiled down to just two words; "Follow Me."
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Thusly doing something his way.
 
shuamort said:
Thusly doing something his way.
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So if I am going home, and my friend is coming, we get in our cars and I say "follow me", I'm a Rebel and doing things my own way...
 
Quertol said:
Did you know that historians believe that at one time Jesus had more than a million followers... At any time He could have taken over the Roman empire...
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One of the greatest disappointments of many would-be Christians was that Christ preached, "...a Kingdom not of this world"

What they were looking for was a temporal leader who would free them from the rule of the Romans.

Much like today, when the concept of eternity is alien to those who are unable to believe anything they cannot see. Especially if it means inconvenience, annoyance, or sacrifice.
 
I still fail to see why a loving forgiving God will cast one of his children to hell for living a good life, but simply doing it in the name of a different religion.

But I'm going off on a tangent, Harry Potter is a peice of fiction and I just don't see it leading to mass satanism in the schoolyards.
 
Plain old me said:
I still fail to see why a loving forgiving God will cast one of his children to hell for living a good life, but simply doing it in the name of a different religion.

But I'm going off on a tangent, Harry Potter is a peice of fiction and I just don't see it leading to mass satanism in the schoolyards.
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A loving and forgiving God that is also a JUST God...Rejecting Christ is what you'll have done, and you can not enter into heaven if you are not born again...


Never said that it would lead to mass satanism on the schoolyards... It will lead to more rebellious youth though...
 
Ah, I see what you mean....
....but similarly I don't see a book such as this to leading to more rebellious youths, so far I havn't seen any of my religious friends, children or not, question their faith based on a book, I think modern children have quite a clear seperation between fiction and reality, and if they don't they should learn it in later life. I genuinelly believed in Father Christmas as a young child, but that doesn't mean I believe in him now. Similarly a child who believes Hogwarts to be real should eventually realise it isn't.
 
Plain old me said:
Ah, I see what you mean....
....but similarly I don't see a book such as this to leading to more rebellious youths, so far I havn't seen any of my religious friends, children or not, question their faith based on a book, I think modern children have quite a clear seperation between fiction and reality, and if they don't they should learn it in later life. I genuinelly believed in Father Christmas as a young child, but that doesn't mean I believe in him now. Similarly a child who believes Hogwarts to be real should eventually realise it isn't.
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It's not about whether or not it is fiction, but rather the attitudes and behavior that is inherent within the storyline... I dont have a problem with fiction, but I do with this book... I'm not doubting that people including children can look upon this and tell that it is make believe, but the attitudes and actions I take as wrong...
 
Quertol said:
So if I am going home, and my friend is coming, we get in our cars and I say "follow me", I'm a Rebel and doing things my own way...
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Well, there's that concept that if your friend didn't follow you, they would go to hell too. :rofl
 
shuamort said:
Well, there's that concept that if your friend didn't follow you, they would go to hell too. :rofl
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Don't follow me, follow Christ...
 
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