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Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

Ok.

Jets 2 cents coming in.

Personal Responsibility is PARAMOUNT!

You don't want your kids to eat Mcdonalds, then don't let them eat it. Come up with a convincing argument why the Advertisements are wrong.

HOWEVER

One simply cannot ignore the power of advertising, it's becoming a science, they spend millions of dollars, get kids in for focus sessions to find the most effective ways of getting to kids. It's maticulous and almost sinister in a way.

HOWEVER ONCE AGAIN

Does not mean that personal responsibility does not take precedent.
 
Hoplite said:
Pobre, making sure kids dont stab themselves with pencils is not the same thing as parenting. You are babysitting and babysitting is not the same thing as parenting. I did the same job with kindergarteners.
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A baby sitter still comes across some of the same problems the parent does. Child throwing a tantrum, child pestering an adult for something after being told no and children doing all kinds of other things.

Im curious why this matters.
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To basically prove that it is easy for a parent to tell a child no.

Biologically, no.


Yes


I raised (and I do mean raised) six nieces and seven nephews from the time I was 12 to about five years ago.
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Were you one of those incapable twits who caved every time a child pestered or nagged you for something? Did your nieces and nephews become obese under your care?
 
jamesrage said:
A baby sitter still comes across some of the same problems the parent does. Child throwing a tantrum, child pestering an adult for something after being told no and children doing all kinds of other things.
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A babysitter doesnt have to do anything except keep the little snot alive until mommy and daddy come to pick them up. It takes almost no skill and can be done by a trained monkey.

To basically prove that it is easy for a parent to tell a child no.
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I'm confused how you plan to work that extrapolation from my own parents.

Were you one of those incapable twits who caved every time a child pestered or nagged you for something? Did your nieces and nephews become obese under your care?
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No, my nieces and nephews stayed very healthy while I took care of them. We went for fast food maybe once or twice a month.

Parents feel obligated to give in to nagging because of a couple of reasons. One, the kid is not old enough to understand that asking repeatedly is more likely to piss someone off than get what you want and the parent is already willing to acquiesce to the request anyways. Two, the parent doesnt see a good reason for saying no. Three, the kid finally bugs the parent into saying yes. We all have finite patience and kids can wear on that patience like nothing else. Everyone (and I do mean EVERYONE) has given in to something or agreed to something because the person trying to convince them has just bugged the **** out of them to get them to agree, it works the same way with kids.

And because I'm losing faith in the ability of certain individuals here to understand that because I dont implicitly state something, I dont believe in it, yes some parents do give in because they find it difficult to say no to their kids. Parenting is a goddamn hard job that (contrary to popular belief) not everyone is good at and they dont always make the best or even good choices. Lumping all parents who agree when a child nags into this last category is incredibly stupid.
 

No no no... the parent's aren't responsible. It's all the big bad companies fault. The parents are forced to feed their kids bad food if the big bad companies give out toys.
 

Advertising directly to the kids DOES impact the parent's buying habits. If it didn't, McDonald's wouldn't include the toys in the first place because they'd be a waste of money. Imagine if cigarette companies started giving away little toys with every pack of cigarettes they sold. There would be an uproar, and rightly so. Sure, parents could CHOOSE to not buy them for their kids...but obviously some would. More than would otherwise, if the toy was not included.
 

All the toy does is give incentive to go to McDonalds vs other fast food joints. If mom has dinner on the stove, she's not going to stop at McDonalds because baby Billy starts whining about it.

The toy helps them decide where they are going to eat out, not IF. The decision to eat out has most often already been made.
 
Does anyone remember anorexia and bulimia?

Do you remember all the movies and stuff that came out centered around stories of famous people who had it and such - I swear - just 20 years ago our country seemed hell bent on beefing everyone up a little.

I imagined that in the future everyone would be a toothpick and that we'd be complaining that everyone was too skinny - and how pathetic that in the richest place on earth everyone was just wasting away for no reason.
 
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winston53660 said:
Would you rather McDonalds do the conditioning?
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I would rather American citizens make their own decisions. Has to do with that, "liberty", thing we've heard so much about for 234 years. Call me crazy!
 
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Do you have kids?
 

Do what I do and tell them, "no!", and when Dad says no, it means no, or somebody is getting an ass whipping when we get home.
 

Not really 3 there as you have 2 points listed in #1... then repeat them in #2 and #3. So it really boils down to:

1. The parent didn't CARE enough to say no (aka they are fine with their child eating crap).
2. The kid pisses the parent off enough to make them cave.

In both cases the parent is to blame. If the kid is pissing you off, send them to their room. Give them a book. Turn off the breaker to the room if need be. No need to get all smacky or turn all authoritarian on them. No means no and kids need to learn this. My mother owns a preschool and she has each and every one of the bratty new 2 and 3 year old ones whipped into shape in a matter of days. They all love her at the end, and so do the parents when the kid starts LISTENING to them.

But nope the poor helpless parent that is so overwhelmed by their child's annoying behavior can't just be expected to say NO when Ronald Mcdonald peddles his chinese plastic crap to their kid via commercials... no way they can actually spend some time with them instead of plopping them down in front of the TV in the first place... we know that parents have WORK to do all day.

Yup. Let's just make it illegal. Way easier, and hey who gives a **** about the actual RESPONSIBLE parent next door that can SOMEHOW manage to slip in a few trips here and there over to mcdonalds for a kids meal AND a toy, all while keeping their child(ren) happy, under control, and HEALTHY.

 
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Hoplite said:
A babysitter doesnt have to do anything except keep the little snot alive until mommy and daddy come to pick them up. It takes almost no skill and can be done by a trained monkey.
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A babysitter feeds children probably twice a day depending on what time of day that person babysits. Children do the same stuff in front of a baby sitter that they would in front of their parents which throw fits and many other things a child would do in front of their parents.

I'm confused how you plan to work that extrapolation from my own parents.
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They didn't cave to your demands did they when you threw a fit or pestered the hell out of them for something?

No, my nieces and nephews stayed very healthy while I took care of them. We went for fast food maybe once or twice a month.
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So it was not hard to tell them no if they nagged or pestered for candy?


This is why you punish the child if the child repeatedly keeps asking for something after being told no. You can spank the child, have the child stand in the corner or some other form of punishment that is immediate and that the child is able to understand that doing certian things have undesired results or consequences.



Two, the parent doesnt see a good reason for saying no.
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****ty parents like these are why there are obese kids

Three, the kid finally bugs the parent into saying yes. We all have finite patience and kids can wear on that patience like nothing else.
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Again this is why you punish the child when that child pesters or nags you for something. It is not that ****ing hard.

Everyone (and I do mean EVERYONE) has given in to something or agreed to something because the person trying to convince them has just bugged the **** out of them to get them to agree, it works the same way with kids.
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When you cave you encourage that behavior. You basically tell that child that "no" just means bug the **** out of someone to get what you want.

And because I'm losing faith in the ability of certain individuals here to understand that because I dont implicitly state something, I dont believe in it,
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When you try to question someone's experience in handling children it looks like you are trying to excuse ****ty parenting with the Oh do not know what its like card.

yes some parents do give in because they find it difficult to say no to their kids.
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They cave because they are weak willed.

Lumping all parents who agree when a child nags into this last category is incredibly stupid.
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No its not. Parents all of the world know how to tell their kid no and how to remedy the situation if the child persists in whining or nagging for something. Some use spankings, if standing a child in a corner works then they use that, if taking a toy away works then they do that, they do what ever it takes to make the child understand that pestering or nagging for something will only have undesirable consequences.
 
Kandahar said:
Advertising directly to the kids DOES impact the parent's buying habits. If it didn't, McDonald's wouldn't include the toys in the first place because they'd be a waste of money.
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McDonalds is not the only one who gives a prize with their childrens meal, practically any fast food chain gives a toy or some other prize. Even a resturaunt gives a couple of crayons and a coloring page to children.


Imagine if cigarette companies started giving away little toys with every pack of cigarettes they sold.
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They used to give out baseball cards and other kinds of cards and sometime later you could save the UPCs to purchase lighters and other things. I do not know if they still do that I haven't smoked in years.

There would be an uproar, and rightly so.
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Only with the anti-smoking nazis.

Sure, parents could CHOOSE to not buy them for their kids...but obviously some would. More than would otherwise, if the toy was not included.
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Parents would not buy their children cigarette regardless of what came with it. Now if a parent smokes or collects stuff then it might entice that parent to buy that brand of cigarettes for him or herself. If they did buy their children cigarettes then they would have to be some ****ed up parents.
 
he children can have a statin after they eat at McDonalds,tongue-in-cheek, so there u go lads

just passing by and let them do that.

mikeey
 
jamesrage said:
They used to give out baseball cards and other kinds of cards and sometime later you could save the UPCs to purchase lighters and other things. I do not know if they still do that I haven't smoked in years.
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LOL I have a tent, a lantern, and an awesome fleece sweater from my Marlboro Miles. :mrgreen:
 
theangryamerican said:
Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

Oh, those wacky Californians, conditioning children at an early age that it's ok for the governement to tell you what to eat. :shock:
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Where I live the govt goes so far as to tell restaurants how to run their businesses--who they can and can't hire, how many hand-washing sinks they must have, etc. The govt even goes so far as to tell a business what temperature their refrigerators need to be. Talk about Big Brother, sheesh.
 
rivrrat said:
LOL I have a tent, a lantern, and an awesome fleece sweater from my Marlboro Miles. :mrgreen:
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Does Marlboro still do that? Or did the anti-smoking nazis put a stop to that?
 
There is nothing wrong with eating at McDonalds on occassion.

Just take a peak at the parents of the kids that eat there too much. It's not a mystery, folks.
 

I don't think we agree on much, but this we agree on. But... it's people's choices.
Horseback riding is out, gardening is out, hard labor is pretty much out. Now it's mechanized transport, tough jobs are mechanized, and computers replace outdoor activity.

If you think they ate a lot back then, you should have seen the tests given for 8th graders 100-years ago. I had one such test (can't find it unfortunately) and it illustrates how sad our schools have become.

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Not to mention, the food wasn't genetically, or hormonally enhanced.
 

Would you like that red herring pan-seared or hand-battered and fried?
 
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