I've looked all over the net using Geneva Conventions as a keyword but I still cannot find a law that permits to target police.
I'm genuinely interested in finding that law for personal education.
Thank you in advance for your help.
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Right there he is making a clear distinction [having already mentioned the police] between members of the police and the civilian population. This suggests they are not one and the same as you and no others claim.
Pretty much actually means that I recognize they are acting also as militants and not solely as a civil order branch, and due to that I also recognize that international law openly permits their targeting.
They do not need to be officially associated with the military wing to be targeted, they merely need to be used as militants.
Not all of the terrorists are militants. The militants are the ones who execute the murdering of the innocent civilians, sure, but there are also those who plan how those innocent human beings will be murdered by the terrorist group's militants, when they will be murdered and where they will be murdered. There are also those who act to plan the propaganda that will be spread after the murder of the innocents and there are those who need to stand in front of the crowd and declare the great success in the murder of those innocents and make them feel proud.
Basically every single member of a terrorist organization, whatever be his role, is acting to support and promote the murders of the innocent human beings by the terrorist organization's militants, and thus every single person who signs up for an active terrorist organization and becomes a terrorist is a valid target for removal.
The figures are the closest to the IDF's, and IMO when Hamas admits to figures that resemble the IDF's more than anyone's else, you know that someone was not doing his job right, to say the least.
So, going back to the original contention of the OP, how much is Goldstone actually damaged by this?
I think that the way the thread has veered towards anality about definitions answers this question in full.
How was he damaged? He was not damaged at all. Those who hired him to pursue their agenda were satisfied that he did so, and the cult-like Palestinian supporters were happy he delivered, and neither would believe he erred since they are not after the truth to begin with. Ethnic hatred leaves no room for truth.
How can obvious bigots be damaged when other obvious bigots will just create any excuse at their disposal for supporting them?
The question was how much has Fathi Hamad's statement damaged Goldstone?
including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms
Taking part in a ceremony =/= laying down arms. Just because they were parading about does not mean they had surrendered. Their position and their mission were clear, and they got caught.
It's actually pretty hysterical that you think "laying down arms" means "not having arms at the moment". As if, a soldier who puts down his weapon to go take a crap is safe - having "laid down their arms".
No offense, haha.
The article says : Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms
and NOT
Members who have laid down their arms including persons taking no active part in hostilities.
you dig ?
Joining a genocidal terrorist organization and then being armed with weapons is an act of taking part in the hostilities. Quite obviously, anybody who sought peace WOULDN'T join the genocidal terrorist organization, and WOULD'T be armed.
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At first I thought Mira did not understand "laying down arms" and was claiming it was illegal because they were not holding loaded weapons at the time. Now I think Mira's argument is "no active part in hostilities", meaning "they weren't shooting at the moment".
I'm not sure if being unarmed during a ceremony or not actually shooting at the moment is the claim - to warcrime, mind us. Uniformed participants killed during ceremony is the claim of warcrime.
Joining a genocidal terrorist organization and then being armed with weapons is an act of taking part in the hostilities. Quite obviously, anybody who sought peace WOULDN'T join the genocidal terrorist organization, and WOULD'T be armed.
Israelis didn't target civilians. They displayed on of the most humane defensive operations in the history of war. They made phone calls, text messages, and drop leaflets warning civilians of incoming attacks. They went through great lengths to protect innocent life. Gaza is an extremely densely populated area. Not only that, but Hamas had hidden weapons and terrorists in mosques and near homes. I believe the civilian death toll has been exaggerated and the Goldstone report a sham. However, measures taken by the IDF to protect civilian life should be applauded and recognized.
Israelis didn't target civilians. They displayed on of the most humane defensive operations in the history of war. They made phone calls, text messages, and drop leaflets warning civilians of incoming attacks. They went through great lengths to protect innocent life. Gaza is an extremely densely populated area. Not only that, but Hamas had hidden weapons and terrorists in mosques and near homes. I believe the civilian death toll has been exaggerated and the Goldstone report a sham. However, measures taken by the IDF to protect civilian life should be applauded and recognized.
. They were NOT taking part in hostilities, you don't seem to want to understand this.
They joined the terrorist organization with full intent.Your argument is tantamount to claiming soldiers involved in a war are not legitimate targets as long as their fingers are not actually in the act of pulling a trigger.
It's odd how much support Hamas receives from those who make claims they do not support them.
They joined the terrorist organization with full intent.Your argument is tantamount to claiming soldiers involved in a war are not legitimate targets as long as their fingers are not actually in the act of pulling a trigger.
It's odd how much support Hamas receives from those who make claims they do not support them.
.....and I answered it. Goldstone performed as he was hired to perform, and those those who typically exhibit the same slavish support for this agenda will not be ruffled at all. They will simply craft yet more sophistry that allows them to peddle their bigotry as if it were some sort of virtue.
The only possibility that he was "damaged" in any way would be among those who did not know what his agenda was in the first place, and were actually fair minded enough to then realize the true nature of such. Those sorts of people are few and far between, since most who pay attention already knew what he would write before he wrote it because they understood his agenda, and either rejected his agenda because of his obvious bias, or supported it for the same reason.
Today, Haaretz reported:
Hamas admitted last week that between 600 and 700 of its militants were killed during Operation Cast Lead – a figure consistent with that reported by the Israel Defense Forces...
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