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Half Of Canada Thinks The U.S. Is Full Of Nazis: Survey

Helix said:
I don't believe right wing fairy tales about first world health care. One of the silver linings to Republicans embarrassing themselves and the country with the Trump era is that the backlash might get us closer to single payer.
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People that blame Obamacare's price hikes on Republicans are naturally going to be more receptive to Bernie Sanders rhetoric

They'll believe anything so selling them single payer isn't hard to do.
Everyone else sees through his demagoguery and promises of free stuff and healthcare as a right.

Or a" right " that comes with a cost estimate of 32 trillion dollars over 10 years and massive new tax increases on the middle class to fund it

Bernie's home State couldn't afford ito implement their single payer law they passed in 2011 and California was forced to shelve their Senate Bill due to cost.
Sanders is selling the fairy tale, don't assume everyone is gullible enough to believe it
 
Fenton said:
People that blame Obamacare's price hikes on Republicans are naturally going to be more receptive to Bernie Sanders rhetoric

They'll believe anything so selling them single payer isn't hard to do.
Everyone else sees through his demagoguery and promises of free stuff and healthcare as a right.

Or a" right " that comes with a cost estimate of 32 trillion dollars over 10 years and massive new tax increases on the middle class to fund it

Bernie's home State couldn't afford ito implement their single payer law they passed in 2011 and California was forced to shelve their Senate Bill due to cost.
Sanders is selling the fairy tale, don't assume everyone is gullible enough to believe it
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a first world health care solution will have to done at the federal level, as it has been done in other first world countries decades ago.
 
JMR said:
Do you find it reasonable that the MAGA hat is not so much support for Trump, as disrespect for the previous administration?
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For some perhaps but I highly doubt a plurality let alone majority.

I think Obama tried, I didn't like McCain. Romney showed his interests hardly laid with pursuing the hopes of the republican base. So overall everyone (inc republicans) probably did pretty well with Obama in terms of options even if many die hard partisans will never admit nor understand that an enemy within is worse than an enemy without. That said, there was a lot of suspcious politicking but that hardly just upto a presdient. Congress continues to be unpopular unsupported mess on both sides of the aisle with the odd gem. Presidentally I honestly think the "problems" started with HW Bush, but he's just before my time and obviously the senitment goes back to a culture shift in the 1960s. Some changes we like (new cultural freedoms) and other we hate with the passion of 1000 suns(disrespect and move away from americanism). It is the culture war where MAGA stands strongest. A symbol conservatism is still strong, united and being heard.

Toward Trump, I like him, I trust he's pro american intrests, war skeptic but not naiviely so, anti-establishment but not so much as to be ineffective(e.g. Ron Paul). I think he is addressing some unsustainable growth trends(inc border security). Hillary likely would have been worse but she'd be hard to predict. Maybe similar to Obama politically the realities and compromise will turn Trumps objectives in retrospect into a somthing I conclude was generally a bad direction. So far I am not over the moon but not feeling betryed either.

The current way I see it though is he represents a overall course correction back from a slow drift away from Americanism, specifically attention on the economic engine and income mobility(low taxation & niche oppurtunity).On the balance that's needed and long neglected. Obama was a trial of some noble ideas that in the american reality I think went sour but didn't break the system or anything. The way I see it I wear MAGA proud, patriotically and as a symbol of hope. I will always pray that course correction turns fiscal, even if that means tax hikes for reducing debt and surviving the demographic timebomb starting in 2030, we'll see, a blue dog fiscially conservative democrat presdient seems unlikey especially since I think in the minds of many that's what Hillary represented :shock: Most likely we'll see the ball drop on the dem side in 2020. Some anti-establishment democrat culture correct the dem party with a likely win in 2024. The meaningful fiscal shift in the rebuilt republican ~2028. That said, 2020 is far from a trump lock and most of the ideas I am hearing on the mainstream left all but guaranteed to provide the opposite of their intentions: worse environment, higher poverty, worse health, more racism etc. We'll see. I've been wrong before. :peace
 
Helix said:
When you have idiots with tiki torches marching in the streets and chanting about Jews, I'd say that's a nazi problem.
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Totally....like 300 people in a country of 330 million isn't a problem.
 
Fishking said:
Totally....like 300 people in a country of 330 million isn't a problem.
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your argument is that there are only three hundred nazis in the country? man. well, at least the bill for their bi-yearly dinner meetup at Cattle Company won't be so bad.
 
Probably many Canadians actually believe that they are relevant to us and the world. :2razz:
 
Helix said:
a first world health care solution will have to done at the federal level, as it has been done in other first world countries decades ago.
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Why would it make any difference ? States can raise taxes and issue bonds if they need to borrow money. The only thing they don't have access to is their own sovereign currency.

Vermont thought they could implement it on a State level, they passed a law in 2011, but then realized that they would need to basically double their total annual revenues to fund it
Bernie Sanders doesn't really get into how he's going to fund Medicare for All and doesn't comprehend the unintended consequences of massive tax hikes on the US economy

Selling single payer as a right without a detailed explanation of how it would be funded or a detailed analysis on it's impact on the US economy might be good enough for his supporters, but not for millions of other Americans
It's bad enough his agenda would give the Federal Govt unprecedented new authority and power over the average American, but he also wants to substantially raise taxes on middle class Americans to pay for it all.

And if it leads to rationing, loss or lack of care, or bueracratic waste fraud and abuse ? Americans are **** out of luck because there is no recourse for Americans against a bloated State run bueracracy.

Name one Federal worker or Politician that was held accountable for the VA putting thousands of veterans on hidden waiting list. Just one.
 
Our country isn't quite full of Nazis yet, but we do have a couple lurking inside the Oval Office.

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slick said:
Let's face it Canada isn't the Canada that helped defeat the Axis powers in WWII anymore.
It's reinventing itself from it's European Christian base as fast as it can! No wonder they feel
the USA is a Nazi country.

One out of 5 people 20% of Canada's population is foreign-born. According to the first data from the 2011 NHS, Canada
had a total of about 6,775,800 foreign-born individuals who arrived as immigrants.

Top countries of birth of recent immigrants, Canada, 2016:
Philippines 188,805, India 147,190, China 129,020, Iran 42,070

Among the G8 countries, Canada had the highest proportion of foreign-born population (20.6%), well
above the shares in Germany (13.0% in 2010) and the United States (12.9% in 2010).
https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/as-sa/99-010-x/99-010-x2011001-eng.cfm
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The Nazis are the most blatant example of your ideology in action buddy.

Funny how all white supremacy accomplished was getting Germany torn to shreds and millions of innocent people murdered.
 
joko104 said:
Probably many Canadians actually believe that they are relevant to us and the world. :2razz:
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Last checked the were America biggest trading partner...Maybe they should take their business elsewhere
 
Oborosen said:
It's mostly the fault of media outlets pushing such a message. Because it's easy to see that they really don't know what goes on in the US, much less their own country.
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Well this is the most ignorant thing I’ll read all day.
 
Fenton said:
Why would it make any difference ? States can raise taxes and issue bonds if they need to borrow money. The only thing they don't have access to is their own sovereign currency.

Vermont thought they could implement it on a State level, they passed a law in 2011, but then realized that they would need to basically double their total annual revenues to fund it
Bernie Sanders doesn't really get into how he's going to fund Medicare for All and doesn't comprehend the unintended consequences of massive tax hikes on the US economy

Selling single payer as a right without a detailed explanation of how it would be funded or a detailed analysis on it's impact on the US economy might be good enough for his supporters, but not for millions of other Americans
It's bad enough his agenda would give the Federal Govt unprecedented new authority and power over the average American, but he also wants to substantially raise taxes on middle class Americans to pay for it all.

And if it leads to rationing, loss or lack of care, or bueracratic waste fraud and abuse ? Americans are **** out of luck because there is no recourse for Americans against a bloated State run bueracracy.

Name one Federal worker or Politician that was held accountable for the VA putting thousands of veterans on hidden waiting list. Just one.
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It won't work at the state level, as an individual state doesn’t have the necessary negotiating power to force costs down. It will have to be done at the federal level.
 
PoS said:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/canada-nazis-holocaust-survey_us_5c4213b0e4b027c3bbc18175



Crazy Canucks probably drank too much beer and ate too much fatback to think that... :2razz:
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In the 2016 election 55.7% percent of all eligible voters voted. Of these 25.7 percent voted for Trump. So no where near half of Americans voted for Trump. Some of the Trump voters no doubt voted for Trump based on the Nazi ethos. 26.8 percent voted for Hillary Clinton. Maybe there is some truth as to why Canadians would believe half of us are Nazis but not anywhere near half of us actually are.
 
Helix said:
It won't work at the state level, as an individual state doesn’t have the necessary negotiating power to force costs down. It will have to be done at the federal level.
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Sanders plan would mandate that Dr's, Hospitals and medical professionals would be paid Medicare payment rates

Is that what you mean by negotiation ? There's no negotiating under a Medicare for All plan that uses price controls and dictates to control cost

I don't think Sanders understands just how disruptive his plan would be if it were ever implemented.
 
Oborosen said:
It's mostly the fault of media outlets pushing such a message. Because it's easy to see that they really don't know what goes on in the US, much less their own country.
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:lamo

Ya well, Americans spank their kids with butter, and are all (and I mean every single one of them) deep into midget porn.

Huh...making up mindless garbage about other countries really IS fun!! Thanks for example, Ob, I may have found a new hobby!
 
Fenton said:
Sanders plan would mandate that Dr's, Hospitals and medical professionals would be paid Medicare payment rates

Is that what you mean by negotiation ? There's no negotiating under a Medicare for All plan that uses price controls and dictates to control cost

I don't think Sanders understands just how disruptive his plan would be if it were ever implemented.
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We pay vastly more than any other first world country for care, and our life expectancy isn't even as good as some of those nations. I don't believe the right wing frightfest about real universal health care. I think that we're heading in the direction of single payer, and I hope it happens sooner rather than later.
 
Helix said:
We pay vastly more than any other first world country for care, and our life expectancy isn't even as good as some of those nations. I don't believe the right wing frightfest about real universal health care. I think that we're heading in the direction of single payer, and I hope it happens sooner rather than later.
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Frightfest ? I always try to explain and give reasons for my objection to the implementation of Single payer, but if I had to chose one reason why it's a bad idea, it would be that the implementation of singlepayer is part of a larger ideological agenda that seeks to grant the Federal Govt unprecedented power and authority over the American people.

If implemented, it would be hailed as a great achievement for a hard Left progressive movement that believes the means justifies the ends when it comes to the implementation of their agenda

Once implemented, oversight would be impossible. Waste, abuse, mismanagement and lack or loss of care would be ignored or blamed on the Republicans and so would patient care and access to care

After reading Occasio's Green new deal, I'm convinced that the objective of the Socialist wing of the Democratic party is to do as much damage to this Nation and it's people as possible
Her plan coupled with Single payer would lead to a economic catastrophe, and I think that's the point of it all

To weaken America while allowing our adversaries to exploit Americas weakness while they continued to rely on fosssil fuels to grow their economies and their military
 
Fenton said:
Frightfest ? I always try to explain and give reasons for my objection to the implementation of Single payer, but if I had to chose one reason why it's a bad idea, it would be that the implementation of singlepayer is part of a larger ideological agenda that seeks to grant the Federal Govt unprecedented power and authority over the American people.

If implemented, it would be hailed as a great achievement for a hard Left progressive movement that believes the means justifies the ends when it comes to the implementation of their agenda

Once implemented, oversight would be impossible. Waste, abuse, mismanagement and lack or loss of care would be ignored or blamed on the Republicans and so would patient care and access to care

After reading Occasio's Green new deal, I'm convinced that the objective of the Socialist wing of the Democratic party is to do as much damage to this Nation and it's people as possible
Her plan coupled with Single payer would lead to a economic catastrophe, and I think that's the point of it all

To weaken America while allowing our adversaries to exploit Americas weakness while they continued to rely on fosssil fuels to grow their economies and their military
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If implemented, the rest of the first world would probably just say "yeah, we did that a half century ago. Welcome to sanity."
 
Helix said:
If implemented, the rest of the first world would probably just say "yeah, we did that a half century ago. Welcome to sanity."
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Wow, I think you using the word frightfest was too weak... lol.... According to the right AOC is purposely trying to push an agenda and UHC so she alone can destroy the country.

Reminds me of the 8 years of Obama hate when the right said over and over Obama was trying to purposely destroy the country. All the right has is hate. Which is why we're stuck with Trump.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Wow, I think you using the word frightfest was too weak... lol.... According to the right AOC is purposely trying to push an agenda and UHC so she alone can destroy the country.

Reminds me of the 8 years of Obama hate when the right said over and over Obama was trying to purposely destroy the country. All the right has is hate. Which is why we're stuck with Trump.
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Her timing is a bit off. You can generally only get a new deal sized project through after the economy is wrecked. I wouldn't be surprised if that's coming years from now. I hope not, though. I'm hoping that the anti-Trump backlash is sufficient to get a lot of the naysayers out of the way.
 
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