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Half Of Canada Thinks The U.S. Is Full Of Nazis: Survey

Well I know a fair amount of Canadians who don't think that. :) But just like the Aussies and Europeans, a lot of Canadians probably get their impression from the U.S. mainstream media who mostly promote the idea with their constant denigration or condemnation of anything right of center as racist and regularly putting people on their programs who call everybody who isn't a hardcore leftist a "Nazi" or "Fascist".

Let's face it Canada isn't the Canada that helped defeat the Axis powers in WWII anymore.
It's reinventing itself from it's European Christian base as fast as it can! No wonder they feel
the USA is a Nazi country.

One out of 5 people 20% of Canada's population is foreign-born. According to the first data from the 2011 NHS, Canada
had a total of about 6,775,800 foreign-born individuals who arrived as immigrants.

Top countries of birth of recent immigrants, Canada, 2016:
Philippines 188,805, India 147,190, China 129,020, Iran 42,070

Among the G8 countries, Canada had the highest proportion of foreign-born population (20.6%), well
above the shares in Germany (13.0% in 2010) and the United States (12.9% in 2010).
https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/as-sa/99-010-x/99-010-x2011001-eng.cfm
 
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Let's face it Canada isn't the Canada that helped defeat the Axis powers in WWII anymore.
It's reinventing itself from it's European Christian base as fast as it can! No wonder they feel
the USA is a Nazi country.

One out of 5 people 20% of Canada's population is foreign-born. According to the first data from the 2011 NHS, Canada
had a total of about 6,775,800 foreign-born individuals who arrived as immigrants.

Top countries of birth of recent immigrants, Canada, 2016:
Philippines 188,805, India 147,190, China 129,020, Iran 42,070

Thankfully most Canadians could careless what some MAGA hat loud mouths think about them
 
they also seem to think that making some people pay ridiculously high prices for health care isn't a great idea, as well.

Average wait time of 21 weeks ? What a bargain. Canada has the advantage of having a military superpower just South of their border which means more money for Social programs
Why have a spend on defense when you're neighbors do it for you ?
 
Not hard to understand.

IMO, thanks in great part to most of the MSN's obvious disinformation efforts, people have come to equate a MAGA hat as a symbol of hatred and white supremacy, and any wearer as a Nazi, Fascist, or other member of the "alt-right" (just another label used to describe a Fascist, Nazi, racist, etc.).

Can't blame your average Canadian for that when so many American's have fallen for it too. :shrug:

What exactly is a MAGA hat a symbol of? I do not assume wearers are Nazis, but do assume they are making some kind of statement that is rather divisive. What should one make of a MAGA hat and why do they appeal to some?
 
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/canada-nazis-holocaust-survey_us_5c4213b0e4b027c3bbc18175



Crazy Canucks probably drank too much beer and ate too much fatback to think that... :2razz:

My only surprise is it's only half of Canadians and other foreigners who believe that. The Left controls most of the media today and they call anyone who is not a dedicated Leftist a Nazi. Of course most Leftist are to ignorant of history to not know the Nazi's were also Leftist just like them.
 
Half Of Canada Thinks The U.S. Is Full Of Nazis: Survey

I live in the US, and I can tell you they may not be too far off the mark.
 
As an ex pat living in Canada, the sentiment up here is that the U.S. is starting to destabilize and is leaning more toward fascism every day. Some people are even afraid to cross the border.

I think the best thing we can do is get Trump out of office. His stupidity is chaos incarnate and doesn't provide a lot of reassurance for things like market forces.
 
My only surprise is it's only half of Canadians and other foreigners who believe that. The Left controls most of the media today and they call anyone who is not a dedicated Leftist a Nazi. Of course most Leftist are to ignorant of history to not know the Nazi's were also Leftist just like them.

Believe it or not, there are formal definitions of fascism, constructed after WWII by looking at both Hitler and Mussolini. Let's see how Mr. Trump fits in, shall we?

1. Hyper-nationalism. This attribute is not confined to fascism, but it is central to all fascism. Trump regularly promises to put America first and extolls the virtues of ordinary Americans (by which he often seems to mean white Americans). The phrase "Germany first" was also something Hitler liked to use. His trade policy qualifies as economic nationalism. By the standards of American politics, he is a hyper-nationalist.

2. Militarism. Fascists like Hitler and Mussoliniroutinely lionized military institutions and military virtues, and at least rhetorically sought military solutions to political issues. Trump lavishes praise on the troops, as almost all American politicians do these days, and he has proposed (in vague and vulgar terms) a militaristic solution to the problem posed by the Islamic State. He has recommend taking the oil of the Middle East, which presumably would require armed force. He tells us he knows more about the military than the generals.

3. Glorification of violence and readiness to use it in politics. Fascists such as Mussolini thought violence could cleanse and redeem a tarnished nation. They encouraged loyal thugs to rough up, and occasionally kill, people whose politics differed from theirs. Trump scores low here. His rallies, according to many reports, have a frisson of menace to them; he has said things that could be interpreted asinvitations to assassination; his followers often speak longingly of violent acts they wish to see committed against others; he has recommended using torture and killing the families of terrorists.

4. Fetishization of youth. Fascist movements, even when led by middle-aged men, always extolled the vigor and promise of youth and made special efforts to appeal to young people.

5. Fetishization of masculinity. Fascists trumpeted what they saw as masculine virtues and supported male authority within family and society, urging women to confine their sphere to home and children (the more of which the better). Trump shares much of this outlook, lauding his own stamina and accusing his femalerival, Hillary Clinton, of lacking it. He mocks men whom he deems deficient in virility. But whereas Mussolini liked to hold up his own mother, devoted to home and hearth, as the feminine ideal, Trump’s vision of the proper woman seems to be a supermodel, more in line with Hugh Hefner’s ideology than Mussolini’s. Nonetheless, on swaggering machismo he gets full marks.

6. Leader cult. Fascists always looked to a leader who was bold, decisive, manly, uncompromising and cruel when necessary — because the parlous state of the nation required such qualities. Mussolini and Hitler, both veterans of World War I, drew their models of leadership from army officers and worked hard to polish their images as dauntless rulers beholden to no one. They encouraged their followers to idolize them as Il Duce and der Führer. They claimed special insight into the will of the people. Trump, although not a war veteran, fully embraces the cult of the leader. He offers his business experience as evidence of his decisive leadership and is very testy when his business acumen is doubted. He also claims to channel the common man, enjoying a connection all other politicians lack.

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7. Lost-golden-age syndrome. Italian and German fascism shared a strong commitment to the notion of national rebirth. Mussolini and Hitler encouraged their supporters to believe in lost (or stolen) greatness, in a glorious past. That could be long ago, as with the Roman Empire, which Mussolini liked to invoke, or only a couple of decades prior, as with the German Reich that was, according to Hitler, “stabbed in the back” in 1918. Trump makes this appeal to a golden age the centerpiece of his campaign, assuring audiences that only he can “make America great again.” Four Benitos.

8. Self-definition by opposition. Fascists defined themselves as the bulwark against various evils and menaces to the nation. Those included communism, routine democratic politics, the traditional conservatism of industrial and agrarian elites (although both Mussolini and Hitler eventually made peace with these elites), and, especially in the German case, foreigners and minorities. Communism is no longer an issue for American politics. But Trump constantly rails against politics as usual, against political correctness, against elites of all kinds (including, curiously, business elites), and he has made a habit of vilifying minorities. He does not advocate their annihilation, as Hitler did.

9. Mass mobilization and mass party. Both Mussolini and Hitler rode to power on tidal waves of support that were organized into new political parties. A new party might fit Trump better, but he has not created one. Instead he has made a venerable one, the Grand Old Party, into his vehicle. He likes to refer to his following as a movement, and since the GOP convention in July has rarely tried to brand himself as a Republican. Many in his party loathe him. But that's OK. They are the ones now left out in the cold as RINOs.

10. Hierarchical party structure and tendency to purge the disloyal. Fascist movements, like revolutions, ate their children. Anyone who displayed only tepid loyalty to the leader or who showed the potential to outshine the leader risked being purged or killed. So did followers who outlived their usefulness. in this way, Trump’s politics certainly seems to even surpass those of Mussolini or Hitler. It is more akin to the governing style of the Sopranos.

11. Theatricality. In style and rhetoric, fascism was highly theatrical. Film and audio of Mussolini and Hitler make them seem like clownish buffoons, with their exaggerated gestures, their salutes, their overheated speeches full of absolutes and superlatives. Their rallies evolved into elaborate collective rituals for loyalists. Trump does not strut across stages like a Mussolini, and Nazi-style torchlit parades are out, but his rhetoric fits the fascist style well. He constantly calls things and people the worst or the best ever. His rallies feature repetitive chants. Even his studied frown of disapproval recalls a classic Mussolini pose.
www.washingtonpost.com/posteverythi...ald-trump-theres-actually-a-formula-for-that/

Is there anything here in the criteria for fascism that you do not find in Trump's world?
 
Last I checked the 'Jewish' vote in Canada was trending Conservative(The pro-americas side of the aisle). So "Nazi" indeed by some weird new definition. Should suprise, anti-americanist sentiments are huge in Canada especially outside 'the west'. Common though of regions that economically can't compete or mange their financials properly and thus grow jealous of their more successful older brother and without whom they'd actually have to pay for defence of(despite only 2/13 regions even now being net contributors].

What exactly is a MAGA hat a symbol of?
American exceptionalism: a no apologies pride in country well promoting liberty, egalitarianism, individualism, republicanism, democracy, and laissez-faire economics. Contrasted by sentiments of international socialism specfically not being a cheerleader of the American way.
 
Ok, then I say that Canada is full of stupid liberals. Is that a fair assessment? No. My point exactly.
 
Last I checked the 'Jewish' vote in Canada was trending Conservative(The pro-americas side of the aisle). So "Nazi" indeed by some weird new definition. Should suprise, anti-americanist sentiments are huge in Canada especially outside 'the west'. Common though of regions that economically can't compete or mange their financials properly and thus grow jealous of their more successful older brother and without whom they'd actually have to pay for defence of(despite only 2/13 regions even now being net contributors].


American exceptionalism: a no apologies pride in country well promoting liberty, egalitarianism, individualism, republicanism, democracy, and laissez-faire economics. Contrasted by sentiments of international socialism specfically not being a cheerleader of the American way.


America gave up on pure laissez faire economics in the late 19th/early 20th centuries, when the government had to interfere to stop the ever growing exploitation of child labor by big corporations, and institute antitrust regulations to prevent monopolies. Nothing "liberty, egalitarianism, individualism, republicanism, democracy" about pure laissez faire economics.
 
Believe it or not, there are formal definitions of fascism, constructed after WWII by looking at both Hitler and Mussolini. Let's see how Mr. Trump fits in, shall we?

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Yes, "After WW2" when the horrors of the Holocaust and the crime of Mussolini were discovered, American Leftist in Academia and the Media started revising History to distance themselves for what their fellow Leftist had done.

Pre WW2 every Leftist from Lenin to FDR was delighted to claim fascists like Mussolini and even Hitler as one of their own. https://dailycaller.com/2016/12/13/fdr-praised-mussolini-and-loved-fascism/

Your "formal definition of fascism," is total crap. None of the traits listed are defining features of the Left or the Right.

Left leaning people have a Collectivist mindset. Right leaning people have a Individualist mindset. Especially in America today that is the fundamental difference.

Fascism is a Collectivist Ideology. Fascism is a slight variant of Socialism where instead of the state owning means of production and distribution, the state totally controls a private sector economy. Obamacare is a text book example of economic fascism.

Giovanni Gentile along with Bento Mussolini invented Fascism. They were both hard core Marxist who recognized and were trying to correct some of the economic weaknesses of traditional Socialism.

The Nazis were actually more socialist than fascists. If you took the Nazi's 25 point governing plan and updated some of the terms you would have a document that would make Bernie Sanders giggle like a girl and jump for joy.

The American Right is about Individualism. The US Constitution and Bill of Rights that govern by limiting the power of the Govt are the very doctrine of Individualism. That is why Leftist like Obama and Beto O'Rourke don't really like it.
 
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Average wait time of 21 weeks ? What a bargain. Canada has the advantage of having a military superpower just South of their border which means more money for Social programs
Why have a spend on defense when you're neighbors do it for you ?

I don't believe right wing fairy tales about first world health care. One of the silver linings to Republicans embarrassing themselves and the country with the Trump era is that the backlash might get us closer to single payer.
 
Yes, "After WW2" when the horrors of the Holocaust and the crime of Mussolini were discovered, American Leftist in Academia and the Media started revising History to distance themselves for what their fellow Leftist had done.

Pre WW2 every Leftist from Lenin to FDR was delighted to claim fascists like Mussolini and even Hitler as one of their own. https://dailycaller.com/2016/12/13/fdr-praised-mussolini-and-loved-fascism/

Your "formal definition of fascism," is total crap. None of the traits listed are defining features of the Left or the Right.

Doesn't matter. They fit Trump to a tee, and most people calling themselves "right" today in America love Trump. Don't you?

Left leaning people have a Collectivist mindset. Right leaning people have a Individualist mindset. Especially in America today that is the fundamental difference.
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Fascism is, by definition, on the far right of the spectrum. It sounds like you are making up your own definitions. That makes it difficult to have a conversation.

Most scholars place fascism on the far right of the political spectrum.[6][7][8][9][10][11] Such scholarship focuses on its social conservatism and its authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.[47][48] Roderick Stackelberg places fascism—including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism"—on the political right by explaining: "The more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be".[49]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
 
America gave up on pure laissez faire economics in the late 19th/early 20th centuries, when the government had to interfere to stop the ever growing exploitation of child labor by big corporations, and institute antitrust regulations to prevent monopolies. Nothing "liberty, egalitarianism, individualism, republicanism, democracy" about pure laissez faire economics.
I know a libertarian label can make it seem like I would eliminate the government tomorrow and sure may in theory talk about pure laissez faire economics. We do however live in a nation of millions people with varying views and state-dependant peoples(seniors etc). So obviously it's a relative thing and there will always be some degree of compromise. No one is eliminating government. I push for a trend for social policy based in liberty, low taxation, more economic and judicial efficiency, private-public partnership, decentralized authority and a reduction in state dependence.

The point of including 'laissez faire' as it applies to the American Way is a matter of principle not extremism. A system which brought more kids out of child labour, starvation and poverty than any regulation. A system that destroyed more global monopolies than any in history.
 
I know a libertarian label can make it seem like I would eliminate the government tomorrow and sure may in theory talk about pure laissez faire economics. We do however live in a nation of millions people with varying views and state-dependant peoples(seniors etc). So obviously it's a relative thing and there will always be some degree of compromise. No one is eliminating government. I push for a trend for social policy based in liberty, low taxation, more economic and judicial efficiency, private-public partnership, decentralized authority and a reduction in state dependence.

The point of including 'laissez faire' as it applies to the American Way is a matter of principle not extremism. A system which brought more kids out of child labour, starvation and poverty than any regulation. A system that destroyed more global monopolies than any in history.

I would agree. I am a total believer in capitalism. But also like you, I believe some compromise is necessary for a functional government and society. The freedom and liberty of the jungle does not bring out the most productivity and potential from human societies.

In trying to specify where I would like the compromising to start, I would suggest the Declaration of Human Rights, spearheaded by the US in 1948 to try to prevent the great suffering and injustices that led to the horrors of WWII, as a good place to start. It states that governments have a basic responsibility toward their citizens to protect their most basic dignity, to keep them from having to face humiliating and desperate situations no human being should ever have to face. To do that, any government worthy of the name would at least have to make sure that its citizens have certain basic safety nets, and can have access to things like food, clean water, a basic education, and access to healthcare.

Beyond that, I am totally OK with letting laissez faire economics work its magic.
 
I live in the North (Canada) and have never once heard anyone call Americans nazi. Not once. We have liberals, conservatives, geniuses, idiots, just like any other country. These surveys are so stupid. I’ve been to the states many times and never once have had an unpleasant experience. Why would I hate Americans? Just my two cents.
 
Last I checked the 'Jewish' vote in Canada was trending Conservative(The pro-americas side of the aisle). So "Nazi" indeed by some weird new definition. Should suprise, anti-americanist sentiments are huge in Canada especially outside 'the west'. Common though of regions that economically can't compete or mange their financials properly and thus grow jealous of their more successful older brother and without whom they'd actually have to pay for defence of(despite only 2/13 regions even now being net contributors].


American exceptionalism: a no apologies pride in country well promoting liberty, egalitarianism, individualism, republicanism, democracy, and laissez-faire economics. Contrasted by sentiments of international socialism specfically not being a cheerleader of the American way.

so it's a kind of "I'm better than you are" statement? Whatever spin is put on the MAGA hat, there is no getting away from the fact that it is label one chooses to wear, for at best questionable reasons.
 
so it's a kind of "I'm better than you are" statement? Whatever spin is put on the MAGA hat, there is no getting away from the fact that it is label one chooses to wear, for at best questionable reasons.
Depends, do you think wearing a sport team jersey is an "I'm better than you are" statement to someone who is a fan of another team?

To me its just a great way to express my opinion and show I think trump is more good than negative, but feel free to disagree. Lot's of people do.

You could say America was always great. I wouldn't be offended(i'd, by and large, agree, although we've made our fair share of mistakes and continue to). The scary-funny part is when people are more 'America was never great'. That just shows the beauty of the slogan.

If the hat message was something like "build the wall" okay maybe I could see how it could be taken as offensive in certain contexts. "built the wall" I might agree with but it's nuanced.

Lot's of people didn't like and think obama was divisive. Lot of inappropriate things were said and claimed, yet, conservatives don't see "Yes We Can" or "forward" being a symbol of tyranny or hate, do we? We think it's wrong.

"Country First" of McCain. Or "Believe in America" / "Restore Our Future" of Romney.

They are just less catchy versions of "Make America Great Again".

If you don't like republicans fine, but associating the whole with "hate","racist" and "nazi" are just diluting important terms.
 
Half Of Canada Thinks The U.S. Is Full Of Nazis: Survey
Is it asking too much for one to provide a link to the survey (ideally the survey and its methodology, but I know sometimes both aren't easily obtained) one refers to?


Well, if one has no methodologically sound basis for rejecting the results of an August 2017 poll, one may extrapolate the results of poll question seven to the US population as a whole. Doing so one finds that about 22M Americans find Neo-Nazi/white supremacist views acceptable. While that figure represents a small piece of the total US adult population, relative to the population of Canada, that's a huge quantity of people. The results of the 2016 ANES survey indicate about 11M Americans hew to Alt-Right ideology. Analysis of that survey's data suggests about 5.6% of America’s 198M whites who have beliefs consistent with the alt-right’s worldview. Though that's about half of what one may infer from the "August" poll, it's nonetheless a lot of people who, notwithstanding whether they overtly describe themselves as alt-right, support political notions that promote white interests above those of other racial groups.

That latter assessment isn't exactly "Neo-Nazi," but I suspect in many a Canadian mind, it's near enough as makes no difference. It certainly is with the Canadians with whom I used to work who on several occasions asked me, as though I speak for such folks or America, why so long after "Jim Crow" and the Civil War we still have so many racists.

Interestingly, 22M is ~35% of ~62.9M. ~62.9M is the quantity of individuals who voted for Trump. 35% is just below the percentage of unwavering support Trump seems able to maintain "no matter what." I don't have any way to determine whether the 22M Neo-Nazis/white supremacists do indeed comprise the bulk of ~37% to 40-something-percent of Americans who persistently approve of Trump. Be that as it may, one analyst figures that about 3 in 10 Trump supporters are at least indifferent to white supremacist notions.

In light of the above, it's not surprising that half of Canadians think the US has a lot of Neo-Nazis and the like, for it does. I wonder "what's up" with the Canadians who don't think there are a lot of Neo-Nazis and the like in the US. Maybe they live in ice caves and don't read? Maybe they're hypothermic? I can't say.
 
Depends, do you think wearing a sport team jersey is an "I'm better than you are" statement to someone who is a fan of another team?

To me its just a great way to express my opinion and show I think trump is more good than negative, but feel free to disagree. Lot's of people do.

You could say America was always great. I wouldn't be offended(i'd, by and large, agree, although we've made our fair share of mistakes and continue to). The scary-funny part is when people are more 'America was never great'. That just shows the beauty of the slogan.

If the hat message was something like "build the wall" okay maybe I could see how it could be taken as offensive in certain contexts. "built the wall" I might agree with but it's nuanced.

Lot's of people didn't like and think obama was divisive. Lot of inappropriate things were said and claimed, yet, conservatives don't see "Yes We Can" or "forward" being a symbol of tyranny or hate, do we? We think it's wrong.

"Country First" of McCain. Or "Believe in America" / "Restore Our Future" of Romney.

They are just less catchy versions of "Make America Great Again".

If you don't like republicans fine, but associating the whole with "hate","racist" and "nazi" are just diluting important terms.

I never stated I don't like Republicans. I also asked a question, and did not claim they were racists or nazis.

As you did, I also checked Wikipedia for earlier campaign slogans ;) None of those prior candidates felt a need to create a little army of hat wearers though.

MAGA Hats are Trump paraphernalia. Trump's slogan was Build the Wall. He rounded out that slogan with many derogatory statements about people and cultures. It is not a stretch of any sort to take the hat as support of those statements. It should not be surprising that many people think wearing the cap is a "pretty in your face" kind of event. It is not anything like wearing a sports team cap, or a school jacket.

America has always been great. From Wikipedia you must have noticed that Trump trademarked MAGA when Obama won in 2012. Why do you think that was? Do you find it reasonable that the MAGA hat is not so much support for Trump, as disrespect for the previous administration? Especially in light of the fact that Trump spent his first months in office officially undoing anything Obama.

Of course anyone who wants to wear the hat if free to do so. Though trying to separate themselves from the message it implies is probably a useless exercise.
 
I live in the North (Canada) and have never once heard anyone call Americans nazi. Not once. We have liberals, conservatives, geniuses, idiots, just like any other country. These surveys are so stupid. I’ve been to the states many times and never once have had an unpleasant experience. Why would I hate Americans? Just my two cents.

Sounds like you know what you are talking aboot
 
Sounds like you know what you are talking aboot
I’ve never gotten the aboot accent - is that what you hear when we Canadians say about? I don’t hear it. Funny all the same!
 
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