Guy Incognito
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It's true. Countries with higher amounts of gun owners have lower levels of corruption and higher levels of liberty.
According to a comparative study of fifty-nine nation by Koppel, Moody and Nemerov, published in the Texas Review of Law and Policy, concluded that "there is a statistically significant relationship between higher per capita gun ownership and freedom from corruption, economic freedom, and economic success. [...] As a general (but not invariable) rule, countries with more guns have more economic freedom, less corruption, and more economic success. [...] [T]he data raise serious doubts about whether the gun-reducing agenda makes sense as a categorical imperative, at least if freedom ranks highly in one's hierarchy of values."
The study went on to discuss some of the ways in which "Freedom causes guns" but also ways in which "guns cause freedom," to wit: "American civil rights workers were able to protect themselves from the Ku Klux Klan because so many civil rights workers had guns." The study also shows only rare circumstances in which guns reduce freedom, such as the Ivory Coast and the Congo, concluding that "guns in the wrong hands reduce freedom."
It appears that, in a sense, guns really do equal freedom.
Link to study or it doesn't exist :2wave:
Basically, this guy is drawing a really faulty conclusion and even contradicts himself in that section you pasted.
This explains why Somalia, Sudan, and Afghanistan are all very safe, secure, and uncorrupt.
This explains why Somalia, Sudan, and Afghanistan are all very safe, secure, and uncorrupt.
Washington DC and Chicago also.
First off, I'd like a source for this "study" of yours. I'd also like to point out that there's a lot of guns in central Africa and the middle-east!
Basically, this guy is drawing a really faulty conclusion and even contradicts himself in that section you pasted.
This explains why Somalia, Sudan, and Afghanistan are all very safe, secure, and uncorrupt.
translation
gun haters categorically reject any finding that does not damn gun ownership
gun ownership terrifies statists and nanny government fans beause those who own guns are less likely to cede their rights for the vacant promise of more big brother imposed "security"
criminals and despots also hate private gun ownership since it is a prophylactic against crime and despotism.
Guns=killing.
Do people really want an anarchist society where everyone is armed and simply shoots anyone who offends them?
Essentially you support the death penalty for any crime.
If a guy is stealing just shoot him and kill him
if he threatens you you can shoot him and kill him
This isn't freedom and this isn't justice, it's a vigilante type of social law where everyone must live in a potentially violent community.
Besides, who would stop crazy people from getting guns?
What about their "rights" to bear arms?
Should people be allowed to have assault rifles and explosives?
Guns do not equal freedom.
Guns equal violence, a vigilante type of justice system, and a life of fear of your neighbors and their weapons.
Guns=killing. Do people really want an anarchist society where everyone is armed and simply shoots anyone who offends them?
Essentially you support the death penalty for any crime. If a guy is stealing just shoot him and kill him, if he threatens you you can shoot him and kill him...
This isn't freedom and this isn't justice, it's a vigilante type of social law where everyone must live in a potentially violent community. Besides, who would stop crazy people from getting guns? What about their "rights" to bear arms?
Should people be allowed to have assault rifles and explosives? Guns do not equal freedom. Guns equal violence, a vigilante type of justice system, and a life of fear of your neighbors and their weapons.
No that's not at all what I meant but nice try.
That is what you are saying
Your "grossly misrepresent my opponent's stance" schtick is getting old.
I have been around many years in this area. I see patterns repeated over and over. protest all you want
It's easy to find patterns when you fabricate them in your own mind!
It's true. Countries with higher amounts of gun owners have lower levels of corruption and higher levels of liberty.
According to a comparative study of fifty-nine nation by Koppel, Moody and Nemerov, published in the Texas Review of Law and Policy, concluded that "there is a statistically significant relationship between higher per capita gun ownership and freedom from corruption, economic freedom, and economic success. [...] As a general (but not invariable) rule, countries with more guns have more economic freedom, less corruption, and more economic success. [...] [T]he data raise serious doubts about whether the gun-reducing agenda makes sense as a categorical imperative, at least if freedom ranks highly in one's hierarchy of values."
The study went on to discuss some of the ways in which "Freedom causes guns" but also ways in which "guns cause freedom," to wit: "American civil rights workers were able to protect themselves from the Ku Klux Klan because so many civil rights workers had guns." The study also shows only rare circumstances in which guns reduce freedom, such as the Ivory Coast and the Congo, concluding that "guns in the wrong hands reduce freedom."
It appears that, in a sense, guns really do equal freedom.
Have you seen the places where anti gun studies are presented? almost always from places that have a serious anti gun bias
what is funny is that many people who started off with an assumption that guns were bad or gun control were good came out on pro gun right side of the issue (Kleck, Lott). I have never seen someone who started off as a pro gun advocate issue a study that was anti gun.
my favorite one involved a Dr Kellerman who claimed a house with a gun in it was far more l ikely to involve someone being shot than a house without a gun (a truism, if there are no guns people are rarely shot).
He counted a house with a gun one in which someone broke into the house while carrying a weapon and shooting the unarmed home owner
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