GOP's Chronic negativity is why America rejects the party- Newt Gingrich

[thinkforyoursel]

This is what I think many political analysts are missing. The rightwing noise machine now runs the GOP. It was created by Rove who invited the knownothing tea party and fundies into the party, and hooked their xenophobic concerns up with the billionaire rightwing think tanks, all to win an election or two. But like a Frankenstein monster the rightwing noise machine is now killing its maker. It can't be shut off. It has to take more and more extreme and lunatic positions and any Republican that even questions it is mercilessly attacked and beaten into submission. Witness the Limbaugh "slut" incident, where GOP leaders we're forced to withdraw criticism of his freakish rhetoric.

So there will never be any moderate Republican wing of the GOP any more. It will become more and more weird as the rightwing noise machine produces stranger and more delusional rightwing rhetoric and narratives.

I in fact think that will doom the GOP. Rove thinks the same, which is why he spends most of his time now criticizing the tea party weirdos like Palin. There isn't much Rove and I agree on, so something's happening here.

The tea party are a bunch of brain-deads. Despite all they claim...it's still Carl Rove sitting back and pulling all the strings.

There is a never ending supply of candidate who play on their anger...tell them what they want to hear (Obama is a evil socialist) take power and then turn to work for the big-oil, Big banks etc.

This is theme in this thread....the right no longer want to hear any plan for the country !!!

All they want to hear is ......Obama is evil ...yearghhh ....I'm mad and angry ......aaarrgghh!!

 

[Juanita]

Considering the Left is a party that thrives on the misery of others (poverty, unemployment, racial strife, etc) I don't see the correlation.

That is the most ridiculous thing that I have heard in a while..If it wasn't for the Democrats the poor and unemployed would have starved to death by now... I bet you will be happy to get that Social Security check when it comes tho...

 

[Glowpun]

Considering the Left is a party that thrives on the misery of others (poverty, unemployment, racial strife, etc) I don't see the correlation.

Could IQ be a factor here?

 

[thinkforyoursel]

Could IQ be a factor here?

The IQ problem is more a southern issue than it is anything else. I would agree though that with many Asians and northerners moving into pockets of the south things are better today.

 

[solletica]

You are correct that the Republicans have perverted the word Conservative. Primarily by not being Conservative enouth.



Real Conservatives realize that the Government has appropriate boundaries. Inside of them they are Omnipotent. Outside of them they have no legitimate mandate for ANY involvement.

The bulk of actual conservatives who vote do not want limited government. In fact, they're not smart enough to survive in a true free market, a fact which is reflected by their bitter resentment of Latinos (or other non-Whites) legally taking low-skilled jobs in the US.

That's why the bulk of Congressional GOP pols (i. e. those other than Rand Paul) do not preach limited government. To do so would be unappealing to their voting base.

What these GOP voters really want is a big government that tells it things that makes them feel good, i. e. reflects their silly childish bigotries. In other words, they just want pols that say "Pro Life, cut taxes, nuke the Arabs, kill all fags, deport the spics."

The desire for limited government is only asked for by Libertarians. And Libertarians are not conservatives.

 

[solletica]

How do you not start the blame with Rushbo, good or bad? Without him, MSLSD would have little to start their programs. I was hearing Limp over 3 decades ago after his
1st two bankrupcies. Boehner is scared to death of him.

boehner is scared of one and only one thing--the possibility of not being paid by one or more of the corporations he fellates.

When his mouth of full of lobbyist semen, but his wallet is empty, he cries. That's how you know he's scared.

 

[Tigger]

that's because you are not a true conservative....

Do you realize that your two points are in direct opposition of each other... 1.Less government...2. more imposition

Actually I'm one of the few real Conservatives out there.

I realize that my point deals with the reality that there are some things the Government IS supposed to be involved in and others that it ISN'T supposed to be involved in. Their power should be nearly limitless in what they do have a mandate to deal with while they should not have ANY involvement in those things they don't have a legitimate mandate for.

 

[Mach]

The negativity is, without a doubt, why I cannot stand the Republican party. I disagree with many of their positions, but the intense dislike I have of the party is the negativity. Because the negativity seems to breed ignorance and as long as you say something bad, it doesn't matter if it's factually correct or not. It's the dishonesty in negativity which bothers me the most about the Republican party.I agree with many of the philosophical concepts of being conservative, but Republicans are not conservative. Right now, the Republican party is little more than a bunch of whiny, petulant children. The GOP is going nowhere. Recent history has shown there will be times when one party has the advantage, but then will do something dumb and the other party will be dominant. Yes, the GOP politicians are collectively acting like a bunch of loons. But they are not going to fade into a minor party, they have way too much money and way too many people who support their gun-toting, bible thumping, blame the government for everything rhetoric.

Jes. Negativty bad. But when slyfox engages in it, you see, magic occurs and it's GOooooood. More negativity please, I think Republicans feed off it like some negative energy vampires....

 

[ttwtt78640]

The negativity is, without a doubt, why I cannot stand the Republican party. I disagree with many of their positions, but the intense dislike I have of the party is the negativity. Because the negativity seems to breed ignorance and as long as you say something bad, it doesn't matter if it's factually correct or not. It's the dishonesty in negativity which bothers me the most about the Republican party.

I agree with many of the philosophical concepts of being conservative, but Republicans are not conservative. Right now, the Republican party is little more than a bunch of whiny, petulant children.
The GOP is going nowhere. Recent history has shown there will be times when one party has the advantage, but then will do something dumb and the other party will be dominant. Yes, the GOP politicians are collectively acting like a bunch of loons. But they are not going to fade into a minor party, they have way too much money and way too many people who support their gun-toting, bible thumping, blame the government for everything rhetoric.

:lol: :doh Pot meets Kettle? :roll:

 

[Tigger]

What these GOP voters really want is a big government that tells it things that makes them feel good, i. e. reflects their silly childish bigotries. In other words, they just want pols that say "Pro Life, cut taxes, nuke the Arabs, kill all fags, deport the spics.".

Within the proper role of Government (security, morality, etc...) the Governments power should be nearly limitless. Outside of that role (welfare, health care, etc...) it should be non-existant.

 

[WCH]

That is the most ridiculous thing that I have heard in a while..If it wasn't for the Democrats the poor and unemployed would have starved to death by now... I bet you will be happy to get that Social Security check when it comes tho...

Man...have you let yourself get sucked into the rhetoric. The Dem party makes sure to keep people in those situations or there wouldn't be a party.

I'd much rather of had all that ponzi-scheme SS money deposited into a nice retirement account instead of letting big government waste the majority of it.

 

[Harshaw]

The Democrats of 2005 were every bit as angry, whiny and negative as the Republicans of today. The wheel turns. Life goes on.

 

[calamity]

Negativity is often the easiest thing to do. But to sensible people ...it's depressing and hollow....and this is all ...and I mean all the right have today. The party has become what Rush Limbaugh is ....a guy who just sits on his behind and criticize. The right hasn't figured out this guy is only an entertainer.

So go ahead ...keep bringing these Sarah Palins and clown candidates...and America will keep rejecting them!!

Newt Gingrich recent quote:
“I would bet for most of you, you go home in the next two weeks while your members of Congress are home and you look at them in the eye and you say, ‘What is your positive replacement for Obamacare?’ and they will have zero answer,” Gingrich told state party chairs, activists, and operatives at the Republican National Committee summer meeting. “We are caught up right now in a culture – and you see it every single day – where as long as we are negative, as long as we are vicious, as long as we can tear down our opponent, we don’t have to worry, so we don’t.

“This is a very deep problem,” he added. “I’m being totally candid with you.”


Like Glen Beck Just said (over the Clown controversy):



“Today, I declare myself officially a rodeo clown,” the host concluded. “We (THE GOP) are all rodeo clowns.”

Well said Beck ....well said ....:lamo

For six years all the national GOP offered up was a scowl and ranting criticisms of Obama on this and Obama on that, all of it followed by a frown usually reserved for when your dog gets hit by a car. That's not going to attract any sane voters.

 

[Kushinator]

Jes. Negativty bad. But when slyfox engages in it, you see, magic occurs and it's GOooooood. More negativity please, I think Republicans feed off it like some negative energy vampires....

The difference is, Republicans have an undeniably negative outlook on our economy, government, and society in general. Every single one of their claims of hyperinflation, bond/dollar crisis, debt crisis, etc... has failed to come true. Simply observing the behavior of the GOP and describing it is not nearly the same.

 

[calamity]

The difference is, Republicans have an undeniably negative outlook on our economy, government, and society in general. Every single one of their claims of hyperinflation, bond/dollar crisis, debt crisis, etc... has failed to come true. Simply observing the behavior of the GOP and describing it is not nearly the same.

I think it goes deeper. Republicans are a bit paranoid delusional (this may have something to do with so many of them being so deeply religious: delusion runs in the "family"). Check out his book that tries to portray the FDR administration as a puppet for the Soviet regime.

Diana West, who expands the scope of this conspiracy in American Betrayal, is McCarthy’s heiress. She argues that during the New Deal the United States was an occupied power, its government controlled by Kremlin agents who had infiltrated the Roosevelt administration and subverted it. Like McCarthy, whom West believes got everything correct, she believes a conspiracy was at work that effectively enabled the Soviets to be the sole victors in World War II and shape American policies in the postwar world.

Writing sixty years later, she claims that the evidence that has come to light in the interim not only vindicates McCarthy’s claims but goes well beyond anything he imagined. Throughout American Betrayal, West uses the terms “occupied” and “controlled” to describe the influence the Soviet Union exerted over U.S. policy through its agents and spies. She believes she has exposed “the Communist-agent-occupation of the U.S. government” during the Roosevelt and Truman eras, and that her discoveries add up to a Soviet-controlled American government that conspired to strengthen Russia throughout World War II at the expense of American interests, marginalize anti-Communist Germans, and deliver the crucial material for the Atomic Bomb to Stalin and his henchmen.

McCarthy On Steroids | FrontPage Magazine

It's just crazy talk. At least it is for anyone who has not swallowed the Kool Aide. And, it suggests something else: A pattern of psychosis.

A few paragraphs into reading the debate, you realize that all of this is connected with the claim of a current huge conspiracy lying in plain sight – the Muslim Brotherhood’s grip on the White House. Obama is a closet Islamist, just as FDR was a closet Stalinist. It all makes sense now!

If you’re like me and steeped in this kind of ideological stew for a few decades, you immediately check on the slightly calmer voices in the anti-Communist historical universe. The result is both a relief – not everyone has gone bonkers – which is followed by more dismay, as you realize that even the people who lived their intellectual lives as passionate, revisionist anti-Communists and anti-anti-anti-Communists are now outliers in the conservative ranks.
Peering Into The Rotting Entrails Of The Intellectual Right « The Dish

 

[Kushinator]

I think it goes deeper. Republicans are a bit paranoid delusional.

I wouldn't go as far as to call them delusional. More or less they are completely bearish and negative when they are not in charge. I refer to that as sour grapes.

 

[head of joaquin]

The Democrats of 2005 were every bit as angry, whiny and negative as the Republicans of today. The wheel turns. Life goes on.

Nobody is as weird, delusional, and hatefilled as the current GOP. It's simply totally fact-free all the time.

 

[Harshaw]

Nobody is as weird, delusional, and hatefilled as the current GOP. It's simply totally fact-free all the time.

There's at least one.

 

[Slyfox696]

Jes. Negativty bad. But when slyfox engages in it, you see, magic occurs and it's GOooooood. More negativity please, I think Republicans feed off it like some negative energy vampires....

I'm neither asking for your vote or looking to run a country. My apologies I did not make that clear before. I kind of assumed it would be obvious, but apparently not.

:lol: :doh Pot meets Kettle? :roll:

Nope. I use facts and/or common sense/logic to support everything I say.

 

[Kushinator]

An interesting article (kind of old too!)

"GOP member: 'I'd like this in the bill.'

"Dem member response: 'If we put it in, will you vote for the bill?'

"GOP member: 'You know I can't vote for the bill.'

"Dem member: 'Then why should we put it in the bill?'

"I witnessed this myself."

 

[ChezC3]

For six years all the national GOP offered up was a scowl and ranting criticisms of Obama on this and Obama on that, all of it followed by a frown usually reserved for when your dog gets hit by a car. That's not going to attract any sane voters.

I voted for Obama in 08. I defended him against the initial onslaught of attacks. The birther nonsense, the muslim nonsense, Ayers, Wright, the whole shabang...

Then he started implementing policy which isn't what he campaigned on, he gave concessions on things he said he wouldn't budge on, he started going further after freedoms of ours which he feigned outrage that Bush had taken. All in all, he is a dismal failure.

The GOP has been living in an intellectual vacuum. They have no narrative. They either have shown themselves to be corporate apologists or pseudo-democrats. The few who have stood up for what's right, for what needs to be done, for sensible action have been marginalized and banished to outer darkness, excommunicated from the Church of Governmental Gimme.


If being a sane voter means to strip me of my privacy, allow my government to target me for assassination, force me into buying a product of the government's choosing, increase my taxes for programs (this includes defense spending) I don't want and we don't need, allow for the overwhelming burden to fall more and more on the shoulders of the middle class, tell me that my religion can't be practiced in the public square but the government can enter into my sanctuary than YES, please, I would most happily wear the crown of the insane.

 

[jaeger19]

The difference between us is that they think they can fool people in believing that they are compromising by just getting less than what they want while I don't try to fool anyone and just say no outright.

Excuse me.. but settling for less than you want so that you can get SOME of what you want rather than it all or nothing.. is the very definition of compromise.


That's not fooling anyone.. that's using compromise..

:doh

 

[Kushinator]

Then he started implementing policy which isn't what he campaigned on, he gave concessions on things he said he wouldn't budge on, he started going further after freedoms of ours which he feigned outrage that Bush had taken. All in all, he is a dismal failure.

Nobody knew the global economy was going to collapse until a few months prior to the election. Remember This:

 

[Henrin]

Excuse me.. but settling for less than you want so that you can get SOME of what you want rather than it all or nothing.. is the very definition of compromise.


That's not fooling anyone.. that's using compromise..

:doh

That is a really dishonest way to define the term. Compromise doesn't just mean you get less of what you want as if the other side has to work on the premise that no matter what they will lose and get nothing in the arrangement. If we are dealing gun control it shouldn't simply be how much gun control is the one side willing to give the other, but instead what are the people that want gun control willing to give up to even get a bit of it. What motivates me to come to the table with you to work on anything if from the start all I can hope to do is slow you down? I can slow you down far more effectively by just not working with you at all.

 

[windowdressing]

I voted for Obama in 08. I defended him against the initial onslaught of attacks. The birther nonsense, the muslim nonsense, Ayers, Wright, the whole shabang...

Then he started implementing policy which isn't what he campaigned on, he gave concessions on things he said he wouldn't budge on, he started going further after freedoms of ours which he feigned outrage that Bush had taken. All in all, he is a dismal failure.

The GOP has been living in an intellectual vacuum. They have no narrative. They either have shown themselves to be corporate apologists or pseudo-democrats. The few who have stood up for what's right, for what needs to be done, for sensible action have been marginalized and banished to outer darkness, excommunicated from the Church of Governmental Gimme.


If being a sane voter means to strip me of my privacy, allow my government to target me for assassination, force me into buying a product of the government's choosing, increase my taxes for programs (this includes defense spending) I don't want and we don't need, allow for the overwhelming burden to fall more and more on the shoulders of the middle class, tell me that my religion can't be practiced in the public square but the government can enter into my sanctuary than YES, please, I would most happily wear the crown of the insane.

therein lies the rub ... they both suck and they both suck because they're two wings of one party - the party of the corporations and the wealthy --- they both screw you, but the Dems are gentler and they call you the next day ...