GOP votes to ban federally funded health care for transgenders

[bomberfox]

We need to ban this word from the dictionary.

Cisgender indicates you are not trans. Why do you want to remove people’s ability to communicate?

 

[bomberfox]

You don't even know what my opinion on any of this is but because you identity with the far far far far far left, I must be a bigot.

this is not really far far left or right its people’s lives that would not have the ability to communicate their experiences. Wanting to ban words so people dont have a means of communicating their lives is pretty bigoted.

 

[noonereal]

Cisgender indicates you are not trans. Why do you want to remove people’s ability to communicate?

We simply do not need yet another word in this crazy world of defining sex/gender.
I am sick of it.

 

[noonereal]

this is not really far far left or right its people’s lives that would not have the ability to communicate their experiences. Wanting to ban words so people dont have a means of communicating their lives is pretty bigoted.

This reply makes no sense in the context of the exchange.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

You don't even know what my opinion on any of this is but because you identity with the far far far far far left, I must be a bigot.

You just said we need to ban a word. What word was that?

 

[Phys251]

You just said we need to ban a word. What word was that?

 

[iliveonramen]

Im not sure I support surgery being paid for by Medicaid. I get the blockers and the various other things, but surgery goes too far. The idea you're taxing working class families to pay for what is ultimately an elective surgery just doesn't compute for me.

 

[Phys251]

Im not sure I support surgery being paid for by Medicaid. I get the blockers and the various other things, but surgery goes too far. The idea you're taxing working class families to pay for what is ultimately an elective surgery just doesn't compute for me.

If the dysphoria is severe enough, the surgery is not really elective.

 

[Lisa]

Im not sure I support surgery being paid for by Medicaid. I get the blockers and the various other things, but surgery goes too far. The idea you're taxing working class families to pay for what is ultimately an elective surgery just doesn't compute for me.

What makes you think that you are qualified to say if this surgery isn't medically necessary, over that of Drs and psychologists who treat these patients on a daily basis?

The surgery is not elective if the patient has gender dysphoria, so obey HIPAA and stay out of the medical care of others.

 

[CLAX1911]

What makes you think that you are qualified to say if this surgery isn't medically necessary,

Because nobody in the history of humanity has ever died from not having a boob job.

over that of Drs and psychologists who treat these patients on a daily basis?

The surgery is not elective if the patient has gender dysphoria, so obey HIPAA and stay out of the medical care of others.

The surgery most certainly is elected it's not lifesaving it's cosmetic. No one's buying this crap

 

[Lisa]

Because nobody in the history of humanity has ever died from not having a boob job.

Breast augmentation is not generally considered to be necessary gender surgery. Who told you otherwise?

The surgery most certainly is elected it's not lifesaving it's cosmetic. No one's buying this crap

Gender-affirming Care Saves Lives

Growing legislative attempts to limit, ban, or criminalize access to this critical model of medical care endangers the health and well-being of transgender and nonbinary youth.

www.columbiapsychiatry.org

 

[CLAX1911]

Breast augmentation is not generally considered to be necessary gender surgery. Who told you otherwise?

Gender-affirming Care Saves Lives

Growing legislative attempts to limit, ban, or criminalize access to this critical model of medical care endangers the health and well-being of transgender and nonbinary youth.

www.columbiapsychiatry.org

I doubt Columbia's psychiatry department's claims.

 

[Lisa]

I doubt Columbia's psychiatry department's claims.

The effects of the hormones often make breast augmentation unnecessary. Did you forget about hormones and anti-androgens?

 

[CLAX1911]

The effects of the hormones often make breast augmentation unnecessary. Did you forget about hormones and anti-androgens?

Fair enough nobody's ever died from not having tits. Being uncomfortable in your body showing the club everybody feels like that to some degree at some point in your life is the point at which you learn to accept what you are or figure out a way to fund whatever you want to do to change yourself that's fine. I don't think the taxpayers should pay for this not a million years

 

[Lisa]

Fair enough nobody's ever died from not having tits.

I said before that hormones along with other medications cause the body to grow breasts that are sufficient for most trans women. The only breast surgery that is automatically covered is a mastectomy for trans guys.

Being uncomfortable in your body showing the club everybody feels like that to some degree at some point in your life is the point at which you learn to accept what you are or figure out a way to fund whatever you want to do to change yourself that's fine. I don't think the taxpayers should pay for this not a million years

This is an example of body shaming and conversion therapy. If you have body issues they arent going to go away and you just cant just learn to live with it. The mind doesn't work that way. Most trans people try to deny their feelings for a d3ecade or more before they seek therapy because denying how you feel doesn't make them go away and they arent transitory.
There is no shame in being different than what the supposed norm is because as a society we are very sexually repressed and ignorant. Find a therapist who understands LGBTQ issues and talk to them. You will feel much better, that you deserve. Trust me that you are not going to say something that they have never heard 100s of times before.

 

[CLAX1911]

I said before that hormones along with other medications cause the body to grow breasts that are sufficient for most trans women. The only breast surgery that is automatically covered is a mastectomy for trans guys.

Shouldn't be covered nobody's ever died from having breasts.

This is an example of body shaming and conversion therapy.

Transition and conversion are synonyms.

If you have body issues they arent going to go away and you just cant just learn to live with it.

In most cases yes they will and if they don't you learn to live with it because you really can't change your body.

The mind doesn't work that way.

A disease to mind doesn't work that way a healthy one does.

Most trans people try to deny their feelings for a d3ecade or more before they seek therapy because denying how you feel doesn't make them go away and they arent transitory.

If after a decade or two feeling this way you still feel this way then transition is probably the right thing for you but if you're 14 you most certainly have not been thinking about this for a decade.

There is no shame in being different than what the supposed norm is because as a society we are very sexually repressed and ignorant.

I'm not the one saying that it is. I don't think many people in this world need to transition.

Find a therapist who understands LGBTQ issues and talk to them. You will feel much better, that you deserve. Trust me that you are not going to say something that they have never heard 100s of times before.

I would agree a therapist that specializes in LGBT issues is probably the best to talk to someone dealing with LGBT issues.

 

[digsbe]

I wonder if they pay for "gender affirming care" if the person is cisgender? Hair loss treatments for men, erectile dysfunction, testosterone for low T, hormone replacement for menopausal women, etc. Are gender affirming care. One could argue a trans man or trans woman has low T/E which should be covered just like it would be for a cis person.

 

[CLAX1911]

I wonder if they pay for "gender affirming care" if the person is cisgender? Hair loss treatments for men, erectile dysfunction, testosterone for low T, hormone replacement for menopausal women, etc. Are gender affirming care.

This is a good point no typically hair treatments are not paid for by the government neither is medication for erectile dysfunction. If you have low testosterone or any other hormone in your body that low or high yes that's a health issue. That's not the same as mega dosing a girl with testosterone that actually causes health issues or mega dosing of man with estrogen that leads to serious health issues.

One could argue a trans man or trans woman has low T/E

A trans man has low T for what a man? Well they're not the same thing as a man indicated by the trans in front of the word man. Not having the same amount of testosterone as a man that age would is not a health problem for such a person.

which should be covered just like it would be for a cis person.

Yes if it trans has dangerously high testosterone I'm perfectly okay with prescribing estrogen for such a person that promotes good health. Dumping in a natural amount of testosterone into their body doesn't.

 

[Gatsby]

and — in a stunning escalation — bans federally funded health care for transgender people of all ages.

No it didn't. There is no provision in this law that the government isn't going to cover dialysis or chemotherapy for the transes; they have access to all the same care as everyone else. The claim that it "bans federally funded health care for transgender people is absurd."

And buried deep in a manager’s amendment added just hours before the vote were two provisions aimed squarely at transgender Americans. One strips all Medicaid and CHIP (the Children’s Health Insurance Program) funding for gender-affirming care, including puberty blockers, hormone therapy, and surgeries, not just for youth but for trans people of any age. A second bans coverage for those same services under the Affordable Care Act by excluding them from the definition of “essential health benefits.”"

Good. You can pay for your own boob job if that's really important to you. It's hard enough to get a consensus for universal health care for real, actual medicine without people trying to needlessly inject this nonsense into the debate. Taxpayers don't need to be paying for someone to have cosmetic surgery.

By supporting their attacks on transgenders using bathrooms and playing sports you give them license to destroy their lives.

If someone's life is destroyed because the taxpayers won't cover a free boob job, that's a they/them problem.

 

[j brown's body]

No it didn't. There is no provision in this law that the government isn't going to cover dialysis or chemotherapy for the transes; they have access to all the same care as everyone else. The claim that it "bans federally funded health care for transgender people is absurd."


Good. You can pay for your own boob job if that's really important to you. It's hard enough to get a consensus for universal health care for real, actual medicine without people trying to needlessly inject this nonsense into the debate. Taxpayers don't need to be paying for someone to have cosmetic surgery.


If someone's life is destroyed because the taxpayers won't cover a free boob job, that's a they/them problem.

Have you considered compassion at all? Some common decency, perhaps?

 

[Gatsby]

Have you considered compassion at all? Some common decency, perhaps?

I'll save my compassion for the millions of people who have ACTUAL medical needs for which they cannot receive government funding due to our mess of a health care system. Free boob jobs at taxpayer expense are pretty far down the list of priorities.

 

[CLAX1911]

I'll save my compassion for the millions of people who have ACTUAL medical needs for which they cannot receive government funding due to our mess of a health care system. Free boob jobs at taxpayer expense are pretty far down the list of priorities.

But if these people don't get their plastic surgery they just might kill himself anybody can make that threat and it's just as legitimate but we're not paying for hair plans we're not paying for penis enlargements or breast enlargements or tummy tucks. Further I don't think we should.

Even if you say you're going to kill yourself unless you get this maybe some mental help.

 

[j brown's body]

I'll save my compassion for the millions of people who have ACTUAL medical needs for which they cannot receive government funding due to our mess of a health care system. Free boob jobs at taxpayer expense are pretty far down the list of priorities.

Are you sure it's not because you hate them because your posts certainly reflect that but you probably know that bidpgotry is considered ignorant so you make it about rationing your compassion which is kind of absurd.

 

[j brown's body]

But if these people don't get their plastic surgery they just might kill himself anybody can make that threat and it's just as legitimate but we're not paying for hair plans we're not paying for penis enlargements or breast enlargements or tummy tucks. Further I don't think we should.

Even if you say you're going to kill yourself unless you get this maybe some mental help.

It would be OK for insurance to cover their conversion therapy?

 

[bythoughts]

A couple of years ago I tried to run down numbers for the risk of suicide if gender reassignment is given or denied, and got nothing usable. This time I went to the AI and it pulled out this new study, which suggests the rate is roughly the same after surgery as if it were never treated that way at all. It seems intuitively obvious to my mind that a person who feels alienated from their own body might be more prone to seek to leave it, but I don't know that's true.

I also had my suspicion that kids were being trained somehow to talk to a shrink and say the magic words about contemplating suicide simply in order to get the procedure authorized. This way of determining medical need seems chancy, and the lurid stories of a few 'reverse transitions' ... well, they might be right-wing propaganda, or then again maybe the doctors just like to drum up sales. I can only guess, but I know somebody who I think should have known better who had a functional ulna rebroken after it had basically healed and set with screws for $90,000 in insurance money, and I don't think that was necessary either. They say medical salesmanship doesn't exist ... they also make a living at it.

The surgeries seem cruel and crude. In the male-to-female surgery, they don't repurpose the corpora cavernosa as vestibular bulbs according to the natural homology of men and women. They just throw them away. I'm sorry, that seems less like sex change than rough butchery.

Under conditions where we were trying to get health care for everyone, it was easy to overlook a dubious procedure that some people swear by. But when Medicaid is having $800 million wrung out of it, cutting gender-affirming care is a way to keep more people getting stuff like cancer immunotherapy that we know can make a difference.

I still support the right of all people to think and act as whatever gender they see fit. I even believe 'transracial' people deserve the respect they are denied. It is self expression. I just don't think the medical agenda is very practical.