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GOP votes to ban federally funded health care for transgenders

j brown's body said:
Are you sure it's not because you hate them because your posts certainly reflect that but you probably know that bidpgotry is considered ignorant so you make it about rationing your compassion which is kind of absurd.
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Is your position that biological women should also have access to free taxpayer-funded boob jobs, or are only men entitled to this important human right?

If the latter, your position is unconstitutional. If the former, well, at least you're consistent although I don't think there's much public support for taxpayer-funded cosmetic surgeries. Much of the time, our government doesn't even fund actual medicine! How about you at least wait until our society has the basics of health care worked out, before you start also demanding increasingly ridiculous add-ons.
 
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Gatsby said:
Is your position that biological women should also have access to free taxpayer-funded boob jobs, or are only men entitled to this important human right?

If the latter, your position is unconstitutional. If the former, well, at least you're consistent although I don't think there's much public support for taxpayer-funded cosmetic surgeries. Much of the time, our government doesn't even fund actual medicine! How about you at least wait until our society has the basics of health care worked out, before you start also demanding increasingly ridiculous add-ons.
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What blogger/podcast told you that breast augmentation is a covered procedure for transgender females?
 
Lisa said:
What blogger/podcast told you that breast augmentation is a covered procedure for transgender females?
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The OP's link to The Advocate. If The Advocate is wrong and it's not covered, then it's not "a stunning escalation" (The Advocate's words), nor is it "destroying their lives" (OP's words). At most, it would be a redundant addition to the bill, if it's just spelling out that a procedure isn't covered that wasn't covered anyway.

And regardless of the current state of the law, @j brown's body made the affirmative case that it *should* be covered. (At least I think that's what he was saying in between the usual shrieks of bigotry.) Do you agree with him that it should be covered, @Lisa ?
 
Gatsby said:
The OP's link to The Advocate. If The Advocate is wrong and it's not covered, then it's not "a stunning escalation" (The Advocate's words), nor is it "destroying their lives" (OP's words). At most, it would be a redundant addition to the bill, if it's just spelling out that a procedure isn't covered that wasn't covered anyway.

And regardless of the current state of the law, @j brown's body made the affirmative case that it *should* be covered. (At least I think that's what he was saying in between the usual shrieks of bigotry.) Do you agree with him that it should be covered, @Lisa ?
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Breast augmentation and FFS are usually not covered by public health insurance. Private health insurance may cover it.

Breast reconstruction is covered for females.
 
Lisa said:
Breast augmentation and FFS are usually not covered by public health insurance. Private health insurance may cover it.

Breast reconstruction is covered for females.
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OK. If you are fine with it not being covered by the taxpayers, then we do not disagree. Have a nice day. 👋
 
Gatsby said:
OK. If you are fine with it not being covered by the taxpayers, then we do not disagree. Have a nice day. 👋
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It might be covered on a case-by-case basis but as a rule I dont think it is covered in the same manner as HRT, counseling and bottom surgery. Trans guys do get their mastectomy covered by public health insurance. Only a few trans women need breast augmentation because of the effects of the hormones.


If you are going to claim to be a neo-liberal, it would be refreshing if you didn't support the MAGA position 99.99% of the time.
 
Lisa said:
It might be covered on a case-by-case basis but as a rule I dont think it is covered in the same manner as HRT, counseling and bottom surgery. Trans guys do get their mastectomy covered by public health insurance. Only a few trans women need breast augmentation because of the effects of the hormones.
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OK. So you were just lying when you said they weren't covered. Good to know.
Lisa said:
If you are going to claim to be a neo-liberal, it would be refreshing if you didn't support the MAGA position 99.99% of the time.
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"The MAGA position" being the one you just claimed was already the status quo? The one you dodged when asked about YOUR position?
 
Gatsby said:
Is your position that biological women should also have access to free taxpayer-funded boob jobs, or are only men entitled to this important human right?

If the latter, your position is unconstitutional. If the former, well, at least you're consistent although I don't think there's much public support for taxpayer-funded cosmetic surgeries. Much of the time, our government doesn't even fund actual medicine! How about you at least wait until our society has the basics of health care worked out, before you start also demanding increasingly ridiculous add-ons.
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What does that have to do with my acknowledging your hostile attitude toward transgenders and your rationing of compassion towards them because, I guess, you've used it all up? :D
 
j brown's body said:
What does that have to do with my acknowledging your hostile attitude toward transgenders
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You don't get to play this game. You don't get to attack me for having a "hostile attitude toward transgenders" when you won't even say that you disagree with me. If you think taxpayers should pay for fake titties for men (and possibly for women too?), then you should have the courage of your convictions and say so. Instead of doing this mealy-mouthed dance where you attack me for holding a position that you won't even say you disagree with. Because it sure sounds like you are just saying "You're totally right about everything, it's just impolite to say so out loud." :rolleyes:

j brown's body said:
and your rationing of compassion towards them because, I guess, you've used it all up? :D
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Yep. There are about 10,000 medical and medical-adjacent procedures and drugs, which are not publicly funded for most people, that I'd prioritize above taxpayer-funded fake titties for men.

And if you think my attitude toward the transes is "hostile" or lacks "compassion," this is a perfect example of why. The narcissistic tendency to make every single political issue about they/them. To center they/their needs when the government doesn't even have universal health care for the general population. Yeah, I'm gonna get pissed off when they/them behave this way all the ****ing time. Maybe a poor person's dialysis treatment is more important than fake titties for narcissists.
 
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Gatsby said:
You don't get to play this game. You don't get to attack me for having a "hostile attitude toward transgenders" when you won't even say that you disagree with me. If you think taxpayers should pay for fake titties for men (and possibly for women too?), then you should have the courage of your convictions and say so. Instead of doing this mealy-mouthed dance where you attack me for holding a position that you won't even say you disagree with. Because it sure sounds like you are just saying "You're totally right about everything, it's just impolite to say so out loud." :rolleyes:


Yep. There are about 10,000 medical and medical-adjacent procedures and drugs, which are not publicly funded for most people, that I'd prioritize above taxpayer-funded fake titties for men.

And if you think my attitude toward the transes is "hostile" or lacks "compassion," this is a perfect example of why. The narcissistic tendency to make every single political issue about they/them. To center they/their needs when the government doesn't even have universal health care for the general population. Yeah, I'm gonna get pissed off when they/them behave this way all the ****ing time. Maybe a poor person's dialysis treatment is more important than fake titties for narcissists.
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So we agree that your attitude towards transgenders is hostile.
 
j brown's body said:
Are you seriously arguing that your attitude towards transgenders isn't hostile?
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My attitude toward mean-spirited narcissists is quite hostile, and the Venn Diagram of that group and the transes has a lot of (although imperfect) overlap. But it has nothing to do with their specific desire to cut their penises off. If you want to cut your dick off (as an adult) and tell everyone you're a pretty princess, whatever, you do you. My attitude is only hostile if you insist that I participate in this game, or that the public participates in this game.
 
Gatsby said:
My attitude toward mean-spirited narcissists is quite hostile, and the Venn Diagram of that group and the transes has a lot of (although imperfect) overlap. But it has nothing to do with their specific desire to cut their penises off. If you want to cut your dick off (as an adult) and tell everyone you're a pretty princess, whatever, you do you. My attitude is only hostile if you insist that I participate in this game, or that the public participates in this game.
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So we agree you're hostile to transgenders.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Conversion therapy is Faith healing like chiropractic. No government assistance should be used to pay for such things.
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I believe insurance covers therapy.
 
CLAX1911 said:
So not all therapy for example Faith healing or chiropractic or aromatherapy.
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Conversion therapy doesn't neccesarily involve those things.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Conversion therapy is absolutely faith healing mixed with aversion grooming.
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Conversion therapy can involve psychotherapy, which, I believe, insurance generally covers.
 
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