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GOP votes to ban federally funded health care for transgenders

noonereal said:
I do not want to pay for elective surgery of any kind and that is what this is.
There is no danger to a life that needs elective surgery.

I have nothing against private insurance or self insurance paying however I have little respect for doctors who use medical resources for all plastic surgeries.
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Its not elective treatment or elective surgery. That claim was thrown out 30 years ago.

Gender Dysphoria DSM-5 302.85 (F64.9) - Therapedia

www.theravive.com www.theravive.com
 
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j brown's body said:
"bans federally funded health care for transgender people of all ages"
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j brown's body said:
"One strips all Medicaid and CHIP (the Children’s Health Insurance Program) funding for gender-affirming care, including puberty blockers, hormone therapy, and surgeries, not just for youth but for trans people of any age. A second bans coverage for those same services under the Affordable Care Act by excluding them from the definition of “essential health benefits.”"
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Not funding "gender affirming care" is quite different from the broad brush description in the first quote above. Federally funded "health care" for transgender people has NOT been banned.
 
gbg3 said:
These are quotes from the OP link:




Not funding "gender affirming care" is quite different from the broad brush description in the first quote above. Federally funded "health care" for transgender people has NOT been banned.
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The gender affirming care they need would be banned, so stop trying to be intellectually evasive.
 
I'm glad about this change!
 
gbg3 said:
I'm glad about this change!
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What is good about denying necessary medical care for a minority? Can we in the spirit of the Golden Rule equally deny needed medical care for you and your family?
 
j brown's body said:
"In the early hours of Thursday morning, while much of the country slept or was waking up, House Republicans rammed through a sweeping multi-trillion-dollar domestic policy package that slashes Medicaid, restricts food assistance, and — in a stunning escalation — bans federally funded health care for transgender people of all ages. The legislation, dubbed the “big, beautiful bill” by President Donald Trump and shepherded by Speaker Mike Johnson, passed the House on a razor-thin 215-214 vote. Two Republicans, Reps. Thomas Massie of Kentucky and Warren Davidson of Ohio voted with all Democrats to oppose it. Rep. Andy Harris of Maryland, the Freedom Caucus chair, voted present.

And buried deep in a manager’s amendment added just hours before the vote were two provisions aimed squarely at transgender Americans. One strips all Medicaid and CHIP (the Children’s Health Insurance Program) funding for gender-affirming care, including puberty blockers, hormone therapy, and surgeries, not just for youth but for trans people of any age. A second bans coverage for those same services under the Affordable Care Act by excluding them from the definition of “essential health benefits.”"

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By supporting their attacks on transgenders using bathrooms and playing sports you give them license to destroy their lives.

Now, lets get on with those immigrant prisons.
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Men should stay out of women's restrooms and locker rooms and tax payers shouldn't pay for customer surgery and other physical alterations.
 
Lisa said:
What is good about denying necessary medical care for a minority? Can we in the spirit of the Golden Rule equally deny needed medical care for you and your family?
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Well, there are midterm elections next year. Maybe Dems should promise they'll work to restore government paid gender surgeries and make sure those fall under "essential health benefits". Is that a good idea in your opinion?
 
CLAX1911 said:
Convince your insurance provider.
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This is not determined on a case by case basis.

State and Local Governments Cannot Exclude Transgender Health Care​

A few recent decisions from the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, and a federal district court in Tallahassee are illustrative of how federal courts are approaching gender-affirming care.


11th Circuit Holds Denial of Gender-Affirming Care Sex-Based Discrimination​

A panel of judges from the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals recently upheld a ruling in favor of Anna Lange, a trans woman working as a sheriff’s deputy in Georgia, who sued her employer for failing to cover her gender-affirming surgery. The lower court had found that the county government’s refusal to cover Lange’s prescribed procedure was a form of sex-based discrimination that violated the Civil Rights Act. Lange was awarded $60,000 in damages, and her employer was enjoined from excluding gender-affirming care from its insurance policy.


Although the lower court’s decision and injunction applied only to Lange’s employer, the decision in Lange v. Houston County found that the challenged policy was facially discriminatory and creates precedent for the rest of the state and for the other states of the Eleventh Circuit, Florida and Alabama.
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noonereal said:
I have long held the belief, before Donny two doll made trans a political thing that no plastic surgeries should be paid in any way but out of pocket except in cases of natural deformity or accidents.

I have always thought it very wrong, that doctors waste time, money and resource on people like Kristi Nome.
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It's in the main a plastic surgery like any other plastic surgery. Should the government pay for it if one does not like one's looks; and one is suicidal if said looks are not altered?
 
Juin said:
It's in the main a plastic surgery like any other plastic surgery. Should the government pay for it if one does not like one's looks; and one is suicidal if said looks are not altered?
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I vote no.
 
Lisa said:
This is not determined on a case by case basis.
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So you convince your insurance company like I said
Lisa said:
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I would argue there's no such thing as transgender healthcare it's just the same healthcare you provide everyone else if you what plastic surgery and hormone treatment figure out how to get it I don't know why that should be the burden of everyone else to pay for.
 
I agree. There are enough serious medical problems in this world that need operations to restore health & healing without paying for operations for people who are not content with the bodies they were born with.
 
LittleNipper said:
I agree. There are enough serious medical problems in this world that need operations to restore health & healing without paying for operations for people who are not content with the bodies they were born with.
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If you all-knowing and all-powerful god didn't like transgender people then why does she make so many of them?


Your job is not to judge them but instead to love them as you love yourself or you love Jesus. Your Bible says so. Matt 19:12
 
Lisa said:
If you all-knowing and all-powerful god didn't like transgender people then why does she make so many of them?
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I don't don't think God doesn't like to transgender people. Like everything else I think it's a test of compassion.

Having compassion for someone suffering from gender destroyed one thing paying for the plastic surgery is something else completely.
Lisa said:
Your job is not to judge them but instead to love them as you love yourself or you love Jesus. Your Bible says so. Matt 19:12
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Well I don't judge I've never said something to the effect that translucent I don't have that ability to know that. In the same breath I could be coming to home for all of my various sins so I'm in the same boat with trans people and everyone else.

Seeing men who identifies women are not actually women it's not judgment in the sense that the Bible means it. Judgment with regard to the Bible is telling me people were going to hell for something. I won't say that about anybody because the stick I use to measure others would used to measure me.

I know some Christians that are transgender.
 
j brown's body said:
"In the early hours of Thursday morning, while much of the country slept or was waking up, House Republicans rammed through a sweeping multi-trillion-dollar domestic policy package that slashes Medicaid, restricts food assistance, and — in a stunning escalation — bans federally funded health care for transgender people of all ages. The legislation, dubbed the “big, beautiful bill” by President Donald Trump and shepherded by Speaker Mike Johnson, passed the House on a razor-thin 215-214 vote. Two Republicans, Reps. Thomas Massie of Kentucky and Warren Davidson of Ohio voted with all Democrats to oppose it. Rep. Andy Harris of Maryland, the Freedom Caucus chair, voted present.

And buried deep in a manager’s amendment added just hours before the vote were two provisions aimed squarely at transgender Americans. One strips all Medicaid and CHIP (the Children’s Health Insurance Program) funding for gender-affirming care, including puberty blockers, hormone therapy, and surgeries, not just for youth but for trans people of any age. A second bans coverage for those same services under the Affordable Care Act by excluding them from the definition of “essential health benefits.”"

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By supporting their attacks on transgenders using bathrooms and playing sports you give them license to destroy their lives.

Now, lets get on with those immigrant prisons.
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Trans genders need mental health care to help them deal with their delusions, not free cosmetic surgery. If they want cosmetic surgery, they have to pay for it like everyone else does.
 
j brown's body said:
MAGA is all in on controlling sexuality. No constitutional right for women to control their own bodies. No medical support for transgenders.
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Cosmetic surgery is elective. If you want tax payers to fund cosmetic surgeries for the delusional, then I want you to fund my lasik surgery.
 
bomberfox said:
Eh we should have a healthy debate on this point but its a treatment that can possibly help with issues of suicidal ideation and the distress of gender dysphoria. While i think its important to assess if such treatment is necessary, im not so sure it can be compared to elective plastic surgery.
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It’s elective plastic surgery.
 
Lisa said:
This decision is purely politically vindictive because none of this care is medically questionable in effectiveness.
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It isn’t medical care. It’s cosmetic surgery.
 
Lisa said:
Treating gender dysphoria medically with effective transition care obviously saves lives.
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You cannot support this claim.
 
Lisa said:
The gender affirming care they need would be banned, so stop trying to be intellectually evasive.
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it isn’t needed. It’s purely cosmetic.
 
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