GOP to save chocolate milk. LOL

[Tettsuo]

My kid isn't eating lead paint chips. Why ban lead in paint?
My kid isn't being poisoned by lead in gas. Why ban lead in gas?
My kid hasn't developed asthma from all of the air pollution. Why put limits on air pollution from job creating companies?
... and the list goes on.

Some things aren't worth the cost. Some changes aren't solely for you, but for the benefit of the whole.

 

[Liberal7360]

It really doesn't. You'd have to drink 12 cartons of chocolate milk to equal one Coke - the drink many mothers sent in lunch boxes when I was growing up.

You'd need to drink 3 gallons of chocolate milk to equal one regular sized cup of coffee.

Not to mention it's not really caffeine but theobromine, which is not as much of a stimukant.


It sounds like maybe your kid was just more sensitive than most? Some kids have similar reactions to red dyes.

You and most adults do yes.

The same can't be said about a child. Their bodies are smaller and it doesn't take as much. Nor are their bodies used to consuming it everyday for years.

Then there are children and people like my child who was more sensitive to it than other children. I'm not saying all children are like mine but a lot of them are.

What we consume affects us in ways we don't realize.

I will say my child didn't get chocolate milk at home very much before she went to public school. I mostly gave her juice and other beverages. Such as water. People don't drink enough water and it's bad for their kidneys. I personally, choose water as my preferred beverage in the 80s.

I don't drink coffee or chocolate milk. I never gave my child those beverages so she didn't really have it until she went to public school. She was in private Montessori school starting at 3 and a half and there was never any problems with her staying in her seat and still or attention the years she was in Montessori. It started when she started public school and eating the lunches that included chocolate milk.

I'm not saying that all children are like that but a lot of them are. And their parents and they themselves don't even know it.

You don't have to agree with me. I don't care if you do or don't. I'm just passing on what I have experienced and learned as a parent.

Children these days and for too long have been getting more fat and unhealthy. It causes health problems that aren't needed. Along with tooth problems from all that sugar. Do you think that cavities in their teeth on top of being fat and unhealthy is a good thing? Removing chocolate milk that's filled with sugar and caffeine from a child's diet in the middle of the day is a very good thing as far as I'm concerned.

My question is why can't the child consume that sugar and caffeine when they aren't in school? They have the rest of the day and the weekend to drink all the chocolate milk they want. What's wrong with them not having it for a few hours in a day?

Why do you fight for children to keep consuming something that causes such health problems?

 

[tres borrachos]

Isn't that a state issue, not a Federal one?

It's actually a city issue, not even a state issue.

 

[roughdraft274]

I still haven't heard about any bills to help you middle class and poor Republicans.

Right wing: What we really need to address for covid is obese Americans and getting everyone healthier! No one is willing to do anything to get people healthier because the pharmaceuticals can't make money off of that!

Left: Maybe we shouldn't be giving kids sugary milk instead of regular healthy milk for lunch.

Right wing: ****ing libs taking away our freedoms!

 

[Taylor]

You and most adults do yes.

The same can't be said about a child. Their bodies are smaller and it doesn't take as much. Nor are their bodies used to consuming it everyday for years.

Then there are children and people like my child who was more sensitive to it than other children. I'm not saying all children are like mine but a lot of them are.

I agree with this. Like the red dye I mentioned earlier or peanut butter - most kids are fine but some have sensitivities.

What we consume affects us in ways we don't realize.

I will say my child didn't get chocolate milk at home very much before she went to public school. I mostly gave her juice and other beverages. Such as water. People don't drink enough water and it's bad for their kidneys. I personally, choose water as my preferred beverage in the 80s.

I don't drink coffee or chocolate milk. I never gave my child those beverages so she didn't really have it until she went to public school. She was in private Montessori school starting at 3 and a half and there was never any problems with her staying in her seat and still or attention the years she was in Montessori. It started when she started public school and eating the lunches that included chocolate milk.

I'm not saying that all children are like that but a lot of them are. And their parents and they themselves don't even know it.

You don't have to agree with me. I don't care if you do or don't. I'm just passing on what I have experienced and learned as a parent.

Right, and there's really not a one-size-fits-all approach here. I know kids that are very picky eaters and who struggle to get any protein in their diet. In a perfect world, they'd eat their protein, or prefer white milk over chocolate, but in the real world, that carton of chocolate milk might be the only protein they get for hours.

Children these days and for too long have been getting more fat and unhealthy. It causes health problems that aren't needed. Along with tooth problems from all that sugar. Do you think that cavities in their teeth on top of being fat and unhealthy is a good thing? Removing chocolate milk that's filled with sugar and caffeine from a child's diet in the middle of the day is a very good thing as far as I'm concerned.

As I alluded to earlier, I think kids eat better than when I was in school, where the typical home lunch would be Doritos, a Wonder bread sandwich with a Kraft single in the middle, and a can of Coke. I'm guessing the biggest difference is that we had recess three times a day, including a full half hour or so right after lunch. Kids were also far more active outside of school than they are today.

My question is why can't the child consume that sugar and caffeine when they aren't in school? They have the rest of the day and the weekend to drink all the chocolate milk they want. What's wrong with them not having it for a few hours in a day?

How much exercise are they getting? What else are they eating?

Why do you fight for children to keep consuming something that causes such health problems?

The point is that it doesn't necessarily cause health problems. It's not the drink for me, but it's actually considered an excellent after-workout drink for athletes.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

Schools will put the refrigerator with the chocolate milk right next to the litter box...

 

[Tettsuo]

I agree with this. Like the red dye I mentioned earlier or peanut butter - most kids are fine but some have sensitivities.

Right, and there's really not a one-size-fits-all approach here. I know kids that are very picky eaters and who struggle to get any protein in their diet. In a perfect world, they'd eat their protein, or prefer white milk over chocolate, but in the real world, that carton of chocolate milk might be the only protein they get for hours.

As I alluded to earlier, I think kids eat better than when I was in school, where the typical home lunch would be Doritos, a Wonder bread sandwich with a Kraft single in the middle, and a can of Coke. I'm guessing the biggest difference is that we had recess three times a day, including a full half hour or so right after lunch. Kids were also far more active outside of school than they are today.

How much exercise are they getting? What else are they eating?

The point is that it doesn't necessarily cause health problems. It's not the drink for me, but it's actually considered an excellent after-workout drink for athletes.

Excess sugar causes issues with all kids and adults.

The solution isn't to continue to provide unhealthy products, the solution is to provide health options. But, Conservatives make a big stink even for health school lunches in public schools.

 

[Liberal7360]

I agree with this. Like the red dye I mentioned earlier or peanut butter - most kids are fine but some have sensitivities.


Right, and there's really not a one-size-fits-all approach here. I know kids that are very picky eaters and who struggle to get any protein in their diet. In a perfect world, they'd eat their protein, or prefer white milk over chocolate, but in the real world, that carton of chocolate milk might be the only protein they get for hours.


As I alluded to earlier, I think kids eat better than when I was in school, where the typical home lunch would be Doritos, a Wonder bread sandwich with a Kraft single in the middle, and a can of Coke. I'm guessing the biggest difference is that we had recess three times a day, including a full half hour or so right after lunch. Kids were also far more active outside of school than they are today.


How much exercise are they getting? What else are they eating?


The point is that it doesn't necessarily cause health problems. It's not the drink for me, but it's actually considered an excellent after-workout drink for athletes.

Yes I personally am extremely sensitive to certain molds. Not all mold just certain ones. It can be in the air or food and I don't even smell it but will cause a severe anaphylactic reaction. My throat closes, my lungs collapse and my heart beats super fast and hard like it's going to burst from my chest. I will die without an epipen. I can't drink anything from a fountain at a restaurant because I don't know if they kept the lines clean enough to prevent mold in the beverage. I've taken just a swallow of water from a fountain machine at a restaurant and went into reaction. It's a good thing I don't like the taste of most soda pop. I never picked up that habit.

Everyone and everything around me must be clean or I will die. Even those who use a front loading washing machine for their clothes. Those machines cause mold and dries it into the clothes. I've gone into reaction just standing next to someone who uses one of those machines and their clothes had mold dried into them.

So yes, I understand food allergies and sensitivities more than normal people and was more than receptive to what my sister told me. And I wasn't surprised that simply removing that one carton of chocolate milk changed my child's behavior at school.

No there isn't a one size fits all but those kids aren't only consuming that milk. They are consuming it with their lunch so it's not the only food or protein they get at that time of day. You don't need to exaggerate. Some juices have vitamins and calcium put in them, maybe juice would be better. Capri Sun is always good and not as bad for the child.

If you ate what you described as a child and still as an adult, your heart and body must have taken the toll of all that sugar, caffeine and processed fat. I hope you have a more diversified diet.

I am the queen of picky eaters. I have always been very picky about what I eat. Chemo made it worse. Now some foods that I used to just find gross and smell bad, actually make me vomit from the smell.

I have never tried to give a child a Capri Sun juice with they refusing it telling me they don't like it. Simple substitution. The child gets a beverage, gets vitamins, protein and calcium, no artificial flavors or dye, not as much sugar and no caffeine.

What is so hard about that?

 

[Taylor]

Excess sugar causes issues with all kids and adults.

The solution isn't to continue to provide unhealthy products, the solution is to provide health options. But, Conservatives make a big stink even for health school lunches in public schools.

Chocolate milk isn't inherently unhealthy.

 

[Taylor]

No there isn't a one size fits all but those kids aren't only consuming that milk. They are consuming it with their lunch so it's not the only food or protein they get at that time of day. You don't need to exaggerate.

It's not an exaggeration at all. I have a niece who never ate meat. Disgusted her. Her major source of protein was (and still is) dairy products.

For most school lunches, the only thing on the tray that will have any significant amount of protein in it is the entree, and I can't tell you how much "chicken of the day" goes right into the trash can. There are lots of days in which the only significant protein a kid may get at lunch will be from their milk.

Some juices have vitamins and calcium put in them, maybe juice would be better. Capri Sun is always good and not as bad for the child.

Capri Sun is awful! It's watered down HFCS. If you were to take all of the excess sugar and additives out of the chocolate milk and serve it to someone, that would be like giving them Capri Sun.

Juices are basically sugar water with perhaps some residual nutritional value. Pediatricians now recommend not serving juice to children, unless they refuse to eat fruit.

Pediatricians take aim at juice: It 'has no essential role in healthy, balanced diets of children'

The American Academy of Pediatrics has some new advice about juice: Kids should not drink it.

www.latimes.com

(A smoothie would be much better, but not an option at school)

Chocolate milk is superior to both:

Is Low-Fat Chocolate Milk or 100% Fruit Juice a Healthier Drink?

Is Low-Fat Chocolate Milk or 100% Fruit Juice a Healthier Drink?

www.eatingwell.com

If you ate what you described as a child and still as an adult, your heart and body must have taken the toll of all that sugar, caffeine and processed fat. I hope you have a more diversified diet.

That was the typical diet for kids who brought lunches. I ate the school lunch as a kid. It was chock full of fat. Oils in the vegetables, "salad" was some iceberg lettuce with huge ladle of 1000 island dressing. Entrees were probably full fat ground beef. And yes, chocolate milk.

But I have no doubt that I was probably getting 20,000+ steps in a day back then. Everyday. And more on the weekend. I was thin as a rail, as were my classmates. We had one fat kid in school. I remember he weighed 100 pounds in 5th grade. Nowadays, he'd be considered "big" but not "fat."

I am the queen of picky eaters. I have always been very picky about what I eat. Chemo made it worse. Now some foods that I used to just find gross and smell bad, actually make me vomit from the smell.

I have never tried to give a child a Capri Sun juice with they refusing it telling me they don't like it. Simple substitution. The child gets a beverage, gets vitamins, protein and calcium, no artificial flavors or dye, not as much sugar and no caffeine.

What is so hard about that?

Capri sun is just about the worst thing you can give a child. It has all the added sugar of chocolate milk but no nutritional value.

The Worst Drinks For Kids

Are sugary drinks harming your kids’ health? Learn which popular beverages to avoid and discover healthier alternatives with expert tips from Dr. Lisa Goldberg Keithley at MPCP.

www.mpcp.com

 

[Razoo]

Good organic chocolate milk with DAMN GOOD organic chocolate chip/peanut butter cookie straight from the oven

Why was there a ban chocolate milk?

7 Proven Health Benefits of Dark Chocolate

This article takes a detailed look at dark chocolate and its health benefits. It's actually loaded with antioxidants and beneficial nutrients.

www.healthline.com

Peanut Butter: Is It Good for You?

Find out what the research says about peanut butter, who should have it, and how it may affect your health.

www.webmd.com

Recess is healthy also = I try to get it everyday

www.heart.org › en › newsRecess helps kids learn better in school | American Heart ...​

Jan 29, 2016 · “Recess is the only place in school, maybe the only place in their social life, where kids have the opportunity to develop social skills with their peers,” Murray said. “When you think about adults, we value and treasure those social skills in our co-workers – things like negotiation and the ability to communicate and have peer-to-peer interaction as a team member,” he said.

www.pennfoundation.org › news-events › articles-ofHow Important Is Recess? | St. Luke’s Penn Foundation​

Jan 1, 2022 · Recess is necessary for the health and development of children and should never be withheld for punishment or for academic reasons.” The National Association for the Education of Young Children recommends unstructured play as a developmentally appropriate means of reducing stress.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Ohhhh, I’m tell-lling.

Snitches get stitches.

 

[X Factor]

Noooo, my mom's gonna take my Nintendo!!!!

Not the Nintendo!!!

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

My point is that the parents had to be fanning the flames. I highly doubt that there was some second-grade mastermind stealing Quick from the grocery store and fashioning paper holders because of his outrage about the chocolate milk ban. The rule breakers were taking their cues from their parents.

No! It wasn't that way at all, at least not as I remember it.
One kid showed up with a little plastic sandwich bag that had Nestle's Quik poured into a corner of it and blammo, that's what started it.
Others used little papers, others used something else. Other kids hissed and clucked their tongues, "I'm telling!" and still others were jealous they didn't think of it and showed up the next day armed with their purloined treat.
I don't remember parents being involved at all.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Oh, malarkey. Hand an elementary school kid a poppit toy for a few minutes and they'll forget all about their chocolate milk whining. The only kids that will keep up the complaints are the ones who hear their mom and dad ranting about chocolate milk riiiiights.

It wasn't some major tempest in a teacup.
It was just a handful of kids who griped when they found out there was no chocolate milk in the lunch line in the cafeteria.
There was no announcement, the chocolate milk just wasn't there anymore, and frowny faces ensued and the next day some kid brought his own, and after that a bunch of kids copied him, and then suddenly the chocolate milk was back again a couple of weeks later.

The only reason I even remember it is because of the collective reaction around the lunch table to the clever kid.
His name was Peter Gray and he was also the kid who always tried to be the sharp dresser, too...and I had a mad crush on his sister.

 

[Hamish Howl]

I still haven't heard about any bills to help you middle class and poor Republicans.

So is this that "keeping the federal government out of our schools" crap I've been hearing about?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Ours started out as little triangular containers with a paper pull tab in different colors over the straw hole.
Then later, around fifth or sixth grade they switched to the square containers like the ones in the picture, only I think they were a bit smaller than those, like maybe the half-pint size.

 

[JMB802]

It wasn't some major tempest in a teacup.
It was just a handful of kids who griped when they found out there was no chocolate milk in the lunch line in the cafeteria.
There was no announcement, the chocolate milk just wasn't there anymore, and frowny faces ensued and the next day some kid brought his own, and after that a bunch of kids copied him, and then suddenly the chocolate milk was back again a couple of weeks later.

The only reason I even remember it is because of the collective reaction around the lunch table to the clever kid.
His name was Peter Gray and he was also the kid who always tried to be the sharp dresser, too...and I had a mad crush on his sister.

Do you know if Peter Gray is a CEO or in jail? It's usually one way or the other with the kids who are wise beyond their years.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Not much for an adult but enough for a child to be bouncing off walls, not be able to sit still and pay attention. Especially when it's mixed with sugar. It's a double whammy.
My child loved chocolate milk and had it everyday at school. I kept getting reports from her teacher that she should be evaluated for ADHD. Which surprised me.
I talked to my sister and mom who are doctors. My sister pointed out to me that chocolate has caffeine in it. To do an experiment by not allowing my child to have chocolate milk at school for a month. My sister said there is a problem of children being diagnosed with ADHD incorrectly. The child's diet was causing it.

I did the experiment.
It was like night and day. The teacher reported she no longer had problems with my child not being able to sit still and pay attention.

I didn't take chocolate milk totally from my child. I just allowed my child to have it at home and on the weekend. Not in school.
My child all of a sudden was back to doing well in school again.
The end result, my child took the tests for Running Start and passed with scores in the 90s. The highest was 98 and that was in reading/writing. The lowest was 91 in math.
My child was able to do her first 2 years of college in her last 2 years of high school so when she graduated from high school she had her first 2 years of college already done.
There are a lot of kids being drugged needlessly and missing out on their lives and education because of their diet.
My sister was right. It wasn't ADHD. It was the food and beverages my child was eating.

I have to agree with you on pretty much all of the above.
Some kids can tolerate the caffeine and sugar a little better than others but yes, it does affect every child to some degree.
Now take me, for instance...I was hyperactive, caffeine or no caffeine, sugar or no sugar, but I did do a little better with LESS of both, it's true.
But I honestly do NOT think that a half pint of milk with a dash of Dutch Process cocoa powder in it was the worst offender because I think that the entire sugar and carb laden US diet played a part.

But that doesn't mean that I don't agree that less sugar and less caffeine isn't a good thing, and every parent ought to try seeing if controlling a kid's diet can fix small problems.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Do you know if Peter Gray is a CEO or in jail? It's usually one way or the other with the kids who are wise beyond their years.

Not doing so well, sort of okay I guess but according to his sister, he's a bit depressed.
His sister on the other hand, is living like a rock star in a stone mansion in Greenwich CT.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

My kid isn't eating lead paint chips. Why ban lead in paint?
My kid isn't being poisoned by lead in gas. Why ban lead in gas?
My kid hasn't developed asthma from all of the air pollution. Why put limits on air pollution from job creating companies?
... and the list goes on.

Some things aren't worth the cost. Some changes aren't solely for you, but for the benefit of the whole.

Lead and air pollution are serious, and moves to limit or do away with either or both are indeed newsworthy.
Something like taking away chocolate milk in school lunches? Not newsworthy, at least not on the national level, and like I said, removing it will just lead to some clever kid sneaking their own into school or just bringing their own carton of chocolate milk in their brown bag lunch instead.

Parents getting into a huge uproar over school lunch chocolate milk is an overreaction.
That having been said, it's not as if I WOULD get into an uproar anyway, because if a school or a school district decides that less sugar and caffeine in school lunch offerings is a good thing, parents can always just supply their own chocolate milk for their kids if they want to. The school is not obligated to supply it because in the end, they want kids to drink MILK...the MILK is what's important.

Less binary, more pragmatism...some kids won't DRINK their milk if there isn't any chocolate in it so in the end it's one of those things where you pick your battles.
Now, what schools COULD do is try to work with vendors in using LESS chocolate and LESS sugar, so the offending chocolate milk has less of both than the stuff you get at the grocery store.
I knew kids who, when having their own chocolate milk at home, would wind up with a glass that was almost half Nestle's Quik powder and I knew a couple of kids who were more down to earth and only used a teaspoon or so.
We all know both kinds of kids in our past, don't we?
So, maybe a compromise works best, they can HAVE their chocolate milk in school lunches but the KIND that the school gets would have a lesser amount.

 

[Taylor]

Ours started out as little triangular containers with a paper pull tab in different colors over the straw hole.
Then later, around fifth or sixth grade they switched to the square containers like the ones in the picture, only I think they were a bit smaller than those, like maybe the half-pint size.

I'd forgotten! Ours were smaller, too - and came from a local (in state) dairy supplier.

Something more like...

 

[Roadvirus]

Migrants are trashing NYC hotels, and this is what Mayor Adams is prioritizing?

He's becoming more useless like DeBlasio every day.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I'd forgotten! Ours were smaller, too - and came from a local (in state) dairy supplier.

Something more like...
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That's what ours turned into.
I can't remember if the changed happened in third, fourth or fifth grade but it started out with the little pyramid shaped containers with the colored pull tabs and the straw hole.
Don't ask me WHY I remember this nonsense, I don't know why I remember it.
I DO remember that some of the kids made a big deal out of the color of the stupid pull tabs.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Republicans - Guzzle the chocolate milk at lunch, but don't you dare have any history books explaining American slavery.